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(02-06-2014 07:17 PM)Texas2Step Wrote: [ -> ]Discuss..

No. But I will say this, speaking only for the Wave.
We're blowing a big, big opportunity if we don't plow resources into hoops. There is no P5; we're in a strong league. And there is no shroud of LSU hanging over us. NOLA doesn't give a sh** about LSU basketball.
TU hoops was very popular when we were good 15-20 years ago. 10K in the dome games; season ticket waiting list 2X Fogelman's capacity. And it would be again.

It's a good way to reach the national stage and develop football over time. Easier to build basketball.

Easier to build. Gokd.bball conference, id take advantage of it. Football isnt impossible but its harder to find a team full of smart impact players in fb vs a couple smart basketball players. Stanford has really managed to overcome this.

Just to add on to my OP, look at what SMU is doing. They have Dallas Cowboys coming to their basketball games in football crazy Texas. Wave football may never overcome LSU, but a tournament quality team in basketball can surely make heads turn in the Boot in the winter months.

There is surely enough talent in TX/LA for Tulane and the Texas teams to do big things in FB. The key is getting top coaches in. Houston has been able to put together some quality teams with good coaching.

(02-07-2014 12:40 AM)ncbeta Wrote: [ -> ]There is surely enough talent in TX/LA for Tulane and the Texas teams to do big things in FB. The key is getting top coaches in. Houston has been able to put together some quality teams with good coaching.

I went to the bar and watch ECU basketball tonight against UTEP; What is wrong with ECU basketball this year? I thought they could be a fav to win CUSA. Coaching? Injury? Chemistry?

(02-07-2014 12:43 AM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2014 12:40 AM)ncbeta Wrote: [ -> ]There is surely enough talent in TX/LA for Tulane and the Texas teams to do big things in FB. The key is getting top coaches in. Houston has been able to put together some quality teams with good coaching.

I went to the bar and watch ECU basketball tonight against UTEP; What is wrong with ECU basketball this year? I thought they could be a fav to win CUSA. Coaching? Injury? Chemistry?

Graduated 3 solid players from last year. Lost 2 solid guys we thought we'd have in the off season. 2 more to injury.. I may be off here, I'm just too tired to really recall who all should/shouldn't be here. I think we're down like 5 people that we thought we'd have over all.

we are a very, very, very depleted team. Absolutely no height. The only thing we can do is shoot 3's at this point.

We only lose 1 to graduation this year and bring in 6. If we don't see any transfers/quitters we should be okay.

(02-07-2014 12:48 AM)ncbeta Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2014 12:43 AM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2014 12:40 AM)ncbeta Wrote: [ -> ]There is surely enough talent in TX/LA for Tulane and the Texas teams to do big things in FB. The key is getting top coaches in. Houston has been able to put together some quality teams with good coaching.

I went to the bar and watch ECU basketball tonight against UTEP; What is wrong with ECU basketball this year? I thought they could be a fav to win CUSA. Coaching? Injury? Chemistry?

Graduated 3. Lost 2 guys we thought we'd have in the off season. 2 to injury..

we are a very, very, very depleted team. Absolutely no height. The only thing we can do is shoot 3's at this point.

We only lose 1 to graduation this year and bring in 6. I have heard rumors about a transfer which I hope aren't true. But if we can keep everyone, get others healthy + who is coming in, we'll have a decent squad.

You guys really hanged it tight against Duke at Duke. ECU has turned more attention to basketball. I just hope ECU is not like Alabama, NO.1 Football , basketball NO.101 or something.

Our recruiting is picking up. We're getting some of the best recruits we've ever seen. If we can just keep people in the damn program I think Lebo can do some work with them. We just opened a $15m practice facility and are about to put $5M in Minges for renovations (it's not terrible, just needs a face lift of sorts). We are definitely trying, just hope for the sake of this conference (rpi) that we don't see anyone transfer out..

(02-07-2014 12:40 AM)ncbeta Wrote: [ -> ]There is surely enough talent in TX/LA for Tulane and the Texas teams to do big things in FB. The key is getting top coaches in. Houston has been able to put together some quality teams with good coaching.

TULANE FOOTBALL
Academics - CHECK
Facilities (game) - Soon-to-be CHECK (see new stadium plans)
Location (quality of life) - CHECK
Location (near recruits) - CHECK
Facilities (practice) - ???
Coaching staff - ???
Conference prestige - Average (not a P5, but the best of the rest)
Conference recruiting - Strong (games in Ohio, Florida [x2], Texas [x2], North Carolina, and the tide water area [x2 - counting Temple])
Fan support - very, very weak, but regular wins could spark interest in 'Nola.
Possible OOC games - Strong (LSU, MSU, GT, 'Ole Miss, Vandy, and Rice have the potential to appear regularly on Tulane's schedule)

A good coach and possibly an investment in practice facilities would do WONDERS and possibly make Tulane the next Miami IMHO.

Tulane Basketball should also get decent. Regular games against UC, Memphis, Temple, UConn, and Houston should be enough star power to get some interest, especially since LSU hoops are irrelevant.

Yes, basketball is an easier potential 'quick fix'. Building basketball while ignoring football, however, can absolutely bite you on the butt......and force early retirement in the case of our former AD.

Tulane is in such a cool city. If the athletic infrastructure improves there it would be an easy sell to recruits.

I've come to the sad realization that SMU will never again be a powerhouse in football, given the lack of resources and huge disparity between P5 and G5 budgets. We will never pack 60-70k people into a stadium to watch our team. We are a small private school in the middle of NFL, B12 and SEC country. Our own local paper spends more time covering UT and TAMU than the hometown team(s). It stinks.

Basketball can become a power in a few short seasons, with the right coaches/players. A nice arena needs no more than 7k fans to create a great homecourt advantage. You only need 1-2 great recruits, unlike football. Teams from every conference are represented in the NCAA bracket, unlike the CFB playoff, which will routinely feature two SEC teams every year!

I've started to hate college football for the same reason I hate the NY Yankees - it is just unfair. Pro sports without a salary cap are unfair. $ = wins, usually. It is the same with CFB. Yes, every once in a while a Boise or TCU will pop up, and some may even move up the ranks, but the vast majority of G5 schools will never compete for a championship...ever.

What is the point?

Tulane's missing the boat in not investing more into Basketball. The ingredients are there for a powerhouse program and there's a history of success to indicate that it can work. This annoys me to no end. Hopefully this league will bring about what it takes for us to maximize our potential here...for both our men's and women's programs.

I’m not so sure I can agree with the statement that it’s easier to build a successful D1 basketball program as opposed to a successful FBS football program.

First I guess you need to define the term “a successful season”. For me in football it starts with making a bowl game and the NCAA tournament in basketball.

In football there are about 125 FBS programs and 39 bowl games next season. That means 62% of the teams will play in a bowl game. Based on the qualification of 6-6 to make a bowl, and most schools regardless of the conference can hand pick between 3 and 4 games a season, I would say you need to be about average to play in the post season. (This is another reason Temple football makes my head want to explode but that’s a totally different discussion.)

D1 Basketball has 347 programs with 68 making the tournament. That’s less than 20%. Add in the fact that the conference champs get an auto bid and that knocks 32 spots out right off the bat. That leaves 315 teams who don’t win their conference fighting for 36 spots, or an 11% chance at making the tournament.

I would say it takes longer to turn a football program and get them to a consistently “good” level, but I think it’s much tougher to achieve success in basketball and sustain it.

(02-07-2014 09:52 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote: [ -> ]Our own local paper spends more time covering UT and TAMU than the hometown team(s). It stinks.

The DMN uses more space and ink reporting on Oklahoma sports than SMU. Never could understand that. That's the reason I've never subscribed.

Oh no, let's not start this again. We went over and over about next year they will better.

(02-07-2014 12:48 AM)ncbeta Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2014 12:43 AM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-07-2014 12:40 AM)ncbeta Wrote: [ -> ]There is surely enough talent in TX/LA for Tulane and the Texas teams to do big things in FB. The key is getting top coaches in. Houston has been able to put together some quality teams with good coaching.

I went to the bar and watch ECU basketball tonight against UTEP; What is wrong with ECU basketball this year? I thought they could be a fav to win CUSA. Coaching? Injury? Chemistry?

Graduated 3 solid players from last year. Lost 2 solid guys we thought we'd have in the off season. 2 more to injury.. I may be off here, I'm just too tired to really recall who all should/shouldn't be here. I think we're down like 5 people that we thought we'd have over all.

we are a very, very, very depleted team. Absolutely no height. The only thing we can do is shoot 3's at this point.

We only lose 1 to graduation this year and bring in 6. If we don't see any transfers/quitters we should be okay.

(02-07-2014 03:41 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not so sure I can agree with the statement that it’s easier to build a successful D1 basketball program as opposed to a successful FBS football program.

First I guess you need to define the term “a successful season”. For me in football it starts with making a bowl game and the NCAA tournament in basketball.

In football there are about 125 FBS programs and 39 bowl games next season. That means 62% of the teams will play in a bowl game. Based on the qualification of 6-6 to make a bowl, and most schools regardless of the conference can hand pick between 3 and 4 games a season, I would say you need to be about average to play in the post season. (This is another reason Temple football makes my head want to explode but that’s a totally different discussion.)

D1 Basketball has 347 programs with 68 making the tournament. That’s less than 20%. Add in the fact that the conference champs get an auto bid and that knocks 32 spots out right off the bat. That leaves 315 teams who don’t win their conference fighting for 36 spots, or an 11% chance at making the tournament.

I would say it takes longer to turn a football program and get them to a consistently “good” level, but I think it’s much tougher to achieve success in basketball and sustain it.

Most programs lose money going to bowls. Private schools with less resources are less able to absorb a blow like that.

College football requires more scholarships, more facilities, maintenance costs, recruiting budgets. UConn is spending over 3.5 Million a year just on coaches. It's way more resource intensive.

You can't just wing it and expect results, just look at UMass.

(02-07-2014 03:41 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not so sure I can agree with the statement that it’s easier to build a successful D1 basketball program as opposed to a successful FBS football program.

First I guess you need to define the term “a successful season”. For me in football it starts with making a bowl game and the NCAA tournament in basketball.

In football there are about 125 FBS programs and 39 bowl games next season. That means 62% of the teams will play in a bowl game. Based on the qualification of 6-6 to make a bowl, and most schools regardless of the conference can hand pick between 3 and 4 games a season, I would say you need to be about average to play in the post season. (This is another reason Temple football makes my head want to explode but that’s a totally different discussion.)

D1 Basketball has 347 programs with 68 making the tournament. That’s less than 20%. Add in the fact that the conference champs get an auto bid and that knocks 32 spots out right off the bat. That leaves 315 teams who don’t win their conference fighting for 36 spots, or an 11% chance at making the tournament.

I would say it takes longer to turn a football program and get them to a consistently “good” level, but I think it’s much tougher to achieve success in basketball and sustain it.

Yes and no. What you forget to mention is a huge number of Bball programs, not matter if they have a solid year or not, will only have access to one NCAA spot. Meaning, so many leagues are one bid and the vast majority of the 64 teams are filled by just the top 7-8 conferences. Therefore, the total number of Bball programs is not very relevant.

The ease of creating a Bball program is simply a numbers game as you only need a few high quality players to turn around a program. Yet, FBall is just so much more difficult to fill an entire roster. Private schools suffer from limited budgets and higher entrance standards along with lower enrollment room.

(02-07-2014 10:57 AM)Wavebacker Wrote: [ -> ]Tulane's missing the boat in not investing more into Basketball. The ingredients are there for a powerhouse program and there's a history of success to indicate that it can work. This annoys me to no end. Hopefully this league will bring about what it takes for us to maximize our potential here...for both our men's and women's programs.

You (Tulane) took our (Syracuse's) last men's basketball coach shorly after a Final Four season.