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According to Indiana University Finance Professor Ryan Brewster:

1. Texas $875 million
2. Notre Dame $811.5 million
3. Michigan $685.5 million
4. Ohio State $674.8 million
5. Florida $660.8 million
6. Oklahoma $655.2 million
7. Alabama $640.1 million
8. Georgia $581.8 million
9. Auburn $537.6 million
10. LSU $529.8 million
11. Iowa $479.1 million
12. Nebraska $432.5 million
13. Wisconsin $406.4 million
14. Penn State $377.6 million
15. Southern California $342.3 million
16. Tennessee $340.4 million
17. South Carolina $331.6 million
18. Arkansas $315.1 million
19. Oregon $313.7 million
20. Washington $305.7 million
21. Texas A & M $299.8 million
22. Florida State $277.9 million
23. UCLA $246 million
24. Kansas State $243.4 million
25. Clemson $242.6 million
26. California Berkely $230.1 million
27. Texas Tech $229 million
28. Oklahoma State $218.5 million
29. Michigan State $212.9 million
30. Kansas $211.1 million
31. Virginia Tech $203.7 million
32. Arizona State $196.8 million
33. Georgia Tech $184.9 million
34. Mississippi $183.9 million
35. Miami of Florida $180.8 million
36. Minnesota $179.7 million
37. Kentucky $162.9 million
38. Colorado $160.9 million
39. Utah $157.2 million
40. Northwestern $154.5 million
41. Iowa State $152.1 million
42. Oregon State $150 million
43. Stanford $146.4 million
44. North Carolina $131.8 million
45. West Virginia $130.1 million
46. Indiana $125.8 million
47. North Carolina State $119.3 million
48. Purdue $114.6 million
49. Syracuse $105.7 million
50. Miss State $102 million
51. Washington State $101.5 million
52. South Florida $100.3 million
53. Missouri $98.5 million
54. Arizona $97.9 million
55. Illinois $94.5 million
56. BYU $87.5 million
57. Baylor $85.9 million
58. UCONN $85.6 million
59. Boise State $79.6 million
60. Texas Christian $77.3 million
61. Boston College $74.3 million
62. Louisville $72.2 million
63. Central Florida $68.8 million
64. Maryland $66.2 million
65. Rutgers $63.3 million
66. Virginia $54 million
67. Vanderbilt $47.1 million
68. Army $44.7 million
69. Duke $44.7 million
70. Pitt $40 million
71. Cincinnati $36.9 million
72. Southern Methodist $33.6 million
73. Wake Forest $33.3 million
74. Temple $32 million
75. Fresno State $29.8 million
76. Hawaii $25.4 million
77. Colorado State $25.2 million
78. Memphis $25.1 million
79. Marshall $25 million
80. Houston $24.8 million
81. Wyoming $24.4 million
82. UTEP $24 million
83. San Diego State $23.1 million
84. Florida International $22.7 million
85. North Texas $22.1 million
86. East Carolina $21.3 million
87. Troy $20.1 million
88. Rice $20 million
89. San Jose State $18.9 million
90. Florida Atlantic $17.3 million
91. Middle Tennessee $16.9 million
92. UAB $16.1 million
93. Toledo $16 million
94. Ohio $15.7 million
95. Northern Illinois $15.5 million
96. Utah State $15.2 million
97. Western Michigan $15 million
98. Akron $14.9 million
99. Buffalo $14.7 million
100. Western Kentucky $14.1 million
101. New Mexico $13.9 million
102. Eastern Michigan $13.7 million
103. Southern Miss $12.9 million
104. Miami ? Ohio $12.8 million
105. Bowling Green $12.7 million
106. Central Michigan $12.5 million
107. New Mexico State $12.1 million
108. Kent State $12 million
109. UNLV $11.5 million
110. Ball State $11.2 million
111. Louisiana Lafayette $10.4 million
112. Nevada $10.3 million
113. Louisiana Tech $9.4 million
114. Idaho $8.6 million
115. Arkansas State $8.2 million
116. Louisiana Monroe $5 million

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...2525141772

Missed SMU at #72, Tulsa, Tulane, Navy????

(01-12-2014 12:51 PM)AusTxPony Wrote: [ -> ]Missed SMU at #72, Tulsa, Tulane, Navy????

privates which didn't give the professor any data to analyze?

i would love to see the professor's methodology used to derive those numbers.

(01-12-2014 01:18 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote: [ -> ]i would love to see the professor's methodology used to derive those numbers.

Flawed

Here is an article that goes more in depth on this
http://www.ibj.com/the-score-2014-01-09-...post/45498

Just like any other list. Those that look good on it will like it and agree those that do not look as good as they think they should will call it flawed and attack it.

Yeah. There's just no way

By the way I couldn't find the entire list from 2013 but all the Big East teams that were in AAC this year dropped in value. I'm sure UL and Rutgers will get big gain next year because he enters tv contract money and opponents you play at home into the equation.

(01-12-2014 01:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 01:18 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote: [ -> ]i would love to see the professor's methodology used to derive those numbers.

Flawed

Funny that you didn't have a problem with his methodology when he announced Louisville as the most valuable basketball program in the nation.

Oh, I see. The AAC tv contract from this year is factored in which ECU didn't have.

id love to see how iowa state is worth more than stanford in football

and reading the article the critieria are
"Brewer derives his valuations by considering long-term on-field performance, stadium size, state-by-state growth rates, cash flow, revenues and other factors."

no offense to usf, usf doesnt have long term on-field performance, huge stadium size (but they dont own the stadium), they had the largest decrease in attendace in the fbs so im curious about hte growth rate. im not familiar with there revenue or cash flow but i doubt its that much better than anyone in this league and should honestly be worse than UL

I'm not defending his list. But owning a stadium is not necessarily a plus. You have to account for how much income your football program derives from playing there and subtract the cost of maintaining it and paying for its debt. USF pays little for using RJS and has no debt payment on it.

(01-12-2014 02:06 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not defending his list. But owning a stadium is not necessarily a plus. You have to account for how much income your football program derives from playing there and subtract the cost of maintaining it and paying for its debt. USF pays little for using RJS and has no debt payment on it.

its definitely a plus if you sell tickets to your games. UCF's stadium is been a major revenue generator. For a team like USF who avg 15K to a game this past year, certainly you are right it is not a plus.

This list is fun to look at but LOL at anything having USF and Uconn above UL in football valuation. Not sure what that could possibly be based on.

(01-12-2014 03:04 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 02:06 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not defending his list. But owning a stadium is not necessarily a plus. You have to account for how much income your football program derives from playing there and subtract the cost of maintaining it and paying for its debt. USF pays little for using RJS and has no debt payment on it.

its definitely a plus if you sell tickets to your games. UCF's stadium is been a major revenue generator. For a team like USF who avg 15K to a game this past year, certainly you are right it is not a plus.

This list is fun to look at but LOL at anything having USF and Uconn above UL in football valuation. Not sure what that could possibly be based on.

We might get 15k in seats but we sell much more than that. At the end of the day wether you show up or not if you have already paid for that ticket so it is revenue

(01-12-2014 03:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 03:04 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 02:06 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not defending his list. But owning a stadium is not necessarily a plus. You have to account for how much income your football program derives from playing there and subtract the cost of maintaining it and paying for its debt. USF pays little for using RJS and has no debt payment on it.

its definitely a plus if you sell tickets to your games. UCF's stadium is been a major revenue generator. For a team like USF who avg 15K to a game this past year, certainly you are right it is not a plus.

This list is fun to look at but LOL at anything having USF and Uconn above UL in football valuation. Not sure what that could possibly be based on.

We might get 15k in seats but we distribute much more than that. At the end of the day wether you show up or not if you have already paid for that ticket so it is revenue

FIFY. Still doesn't explain how USF and Uconn are so far ahead of UL. By no measure could someone explain that to be true.

(01-12-2014 03:21 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 03:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 03:04 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 02:06 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not defending his list. But owning a stadium is not necessarily a plus. You have to account for how much income your football program derives from playing there and subtract the cost of maintaining it and paying for its debt. USF pays little for using RJS and has no debt payment on it.

its definitely a plus if you sell tickets to your games. UCF's stadium is been a major revenue generator. For a team like USF who avg 15K to a game this past year, certainly you are right it is not a plus.

This list is fun to look at but LOL at anything having USF and Uconn above UL in football valuation. Not sure what that could possibly be based on.

We might get 15k in seats but we distribute much more than that. At the end of the day wether you show up or not if you have already paid for that ticket so it is revenue

FIFY. Still doesn't explain how USF and Uconn are so far ahead of UL. By no measure could someone explain that to be true.

Well since I'm not the author I can't explain it. But I know Wilkie was ok with it when UL under same methodology was announced as the most valuable basketball program.

(01-12-2014 03:36 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 03:21 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 03:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 03:04 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 02:06 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not defending his list. But owning a stadium is not necessarily a plus. You have to account for how much income your football program derives from playing there and subtract the cost of maintaining it and paying for its debt. USF pays little for using RJS and has no debt payment on it.

its definitely a plus if you sell tickets to your games. UCF's stadium is been a major revenue generator. For a team like USF who avg 15K to a game this past year, certainly you are right it is not a plus.

This list is fun to look at but LOL at anything having USF and Uconn above UL in football valuation. Not sure what that could possibly be based on.

We might get 15k in seats but we distribute much more than that. At the end of the day wether you show up or not if you have already paid for that ticket so it is revenue

FIFY. Still doesn't explain how USF and Uconn are so far ahead of UL. By no measure could someone explain that to be true.

Well since I'm not the author I can't explain it. But I know Wilkie was ok with it when UL under same methodology was announced as the most valuable basketball program.

didn't ask you to explain it.

(01-12-2014 03:52 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 03:36 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 03:21 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 03:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 03:04 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]its definitely a plus if you sell tickets to your games. UCF's stadium is been a major revenue generator. For a team like USF who avg 15K to a game this past year, certainly you are right it is not a plus.

This list is fun to look at but LOL at anything having USF and Uconn above UL in football valuation. Not sure what that could possibly be based on.

We might get 15k in seats but we distribute much more than that. At the end of the day wether you show up or not if you have already paid for that ticket so it is revenue

FIFY. Still doesn't explain how USF and Uconn are so far ahead of UL. By no measure could someone explain that to be true.

Well since I'm not the author I can't explain it. But I know Wilkie was ok with it when UL under same methodology was announced as the most valuable basketball program.

didn't ask you to explain it.

The reason U of L basketball is valued so high is because they are fleecing the city of Louisville. The reason U of L football is valued so low is because of the reality that they are the #2 program in Kentucky.

Stadiums are perhaps the most important factor in generating revenue after TV. That's why the life span of "Wonders of the World" like the Astrodome and Texas Stadium was only 30-40 years. No longer economically competitive. This is especially true at schools who build from private donations. Box seating and ticket licenses are huge revenue generators

(01-12-2014 01:59 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 01:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2014 01:18 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote: [ -> ]i would love to see the professor's methodology used to derive those numbers.

Flawed

Funny that you didn't have a problem with his methodology when he announced Louisville as the most valuable basketball program in the nation.