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1-11 gets you a D????

I would give ECU a C+ to a B- personally when you look outside the overall record

I'll take the B- all the way to the bank.

I agree with most but would give Rice an "A". jmo.

(01-10-2014 02:51 PM)SVHerd Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with most but would give Rice an "A". jmo.

Getting routed by a middling AQ team took a lot of the luster off their season. That said, I'm impressed with Rice's season.

I think a higher grade for USM would be reasonable. It was obvious early on that Monken, Bridgford, etc. were in way over their heads, to an extent that Johnson, Alford, Buckl, etc. were not. Nevertheless, by the end of the season, it seemed like we might have found our QB, and it seemed like Monken had settled into his role a bit more. With any luck, we'll be able to at least compete in FBS long enough to pay our stadium bonds. Then, we will have the breathing room necessary to think strategically about what sort of football program we want to have, if any.

(01-10-2014 02:00 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote: [ -> ]1-11 gets you a D????

It seems every team is graded against their own preseason expectations.

If it would have been graded against expectations halfway through the season, Southern Miss would have an A+.

Yep. After game 7 or 8 I was 99.9% positive we were going 0-12 again.

(01-10-2014 03:05 PM)AndreWhere Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2014 02:51 PM)SVHerd Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with most but would give Rice an "A". jmo.

Getting routed by a middling AQ team took a lot of the luster off their season. That said, I'm impressed with Rice's season.

I think a higher grade for USM would be reasonable. It was obvious early on that Monken, Bridgford, etc. were in way over their heads, to an extent that Johnson, Alford, Buckl, etc. were not. Nevertheless, by the end of the season, it seemed like we might have found our QB, and it seemed like Monken had settled into his role a bit more. With any luck, we'll be able to at least compete in FBS long enough to pay our stadium bonds. Then, we will have the breathing room necessary to think strategically about what sort of football program we want to have, if any.

Getting routed was bad, but Miss State wasn't a middling team by any stretch. This is just talk of a Rice fan justifying a bad loss. Miss State is a quality team. They lost by 4 to Auburn at Auburn. The same Auburn team that almost won the National Championship. All of their six losses were to good teams, all of whom went to a bowl game with three of those games being BCS bowls.

With that said, I'm surprised at the A- ranking. I would think that a B or B+ would be more appropriate for our season.

(01-10-2014 03:05 PM)AndreWhere Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2014 02:51 PM)SVHerd Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with most but would give Rice an "A". jmo.

Getting routed by a middling AQ team took a lot of the luster off their season. That said, I'm impressed with Rice's season.

I think a higher grade for USM would be reasonable. It was obvious early on that Monken, Bridgford, etc. were in way over their heads, to an extent that Johnson, Alford, Buckl, etc. were not. Nevertheless, by the end of the season, it seemed like we might have found our QB, and it seemed like Monken had settled into his role a bit more. With any luck, we'll be able to at least compete in FBS long enough to pay our stadium bonds. Then, we will have the breathing room necessary to think strategically about what sort of football program we want to have, if any.

Wow, what a sanguine outlook! Seriously Andre, are you that concerned about the future of USM football that you think TPTB would consider dropping the sport?

Tulane and UNLV got an A? Come on. New Mexico State and La Tech both got a D and I would bet that La Tech would've whooped them easily. Senseless grades.

(01-10-2014 05:07 PM)El Runner Wrote: [ -> ]Tulane and UNLV got an A? Come on. New Mexico State and La Tech both got a D and I would bet that La Tech would've whooped them easily. Senseless grades.

You're not grasping the concept.

(01-10-2014 04:44 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2014 03:05 PM)AndreWhere Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2014 02:51 PM)SVHerd Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with most but would give Rice an "A". jmo.

Getting routed by a middling AQ team took a lot of the luster off their season. That said, I'm impressed with Rice's season.

I think a higher grade for USM would be reasonable. It was obvious early on that Monken, Bridgford, etc. were in way over their heads, to an extent that Johnson, Alford, Buckl, etc. were not. Nevertheless, by the end of the season, it seemed like we might have found our QB, and it seemed like Monken had settled into his role a bit more. With any luck, we'll be able to at least compete in FBS long enough to pay our stadium bonds. Then, we will have the breathing room necessary to think strategically about what sort of football program we want to have, if any.

Wow, what a sanguine outlook! Seriously Andre, are you that concerned about the future of USM football that you think TPTB would consider dropping the sport?

I'm far more concerned that TPTB will continue fielding a Southland-level team and playing embarrassing money games because that's what pays the bills. The Ellis Johnson hire was a slap in the face, not because there's anything inherently wrong with the man, but because they got him for 3/4 of Fedora's salary. The current staff is making even less. What message am I supposed to take away from that, other than one of surrender? And what is the value of fielding that kind of team, other than meeting financial commitments? I'd like to say that USM is committed to getting back to where it was 10-15 years ago, but in my heart I know that our leadership just isn't committed to that. The people who kept us out of the Sun Belt and the bottom tier of the USNWR rankings back in the 1990s have all been fired, or met their demise. What's left is a crude simulacrum of an institution that most of us don't even really remember, and I for one prefer my good memories to remain unsullied.

(01-10-2014 05:16 PM)AndreWhere Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2014 04:44 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2014 03:05 PM)AndreWhere Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2014 02:51 PM)SVHerd Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with most but would give Rice an "A". jmo.

Getting routed by a middling AQ team took a lot of the luster off their season. That said, I'm impressed with Rice's season.

I think a higher grade for USM would be reasonable. It was obvious early on that Monken, Bridgford, etc. were in way over their heads, to an extent that Johnson, Alford, Buckl, etc. were not. Nevertheless, by the end of the season, it seemed like we might have found our QB, and it seemed like Monken had settled into his role a bit more. With any luck, we'll be able to at least compete in FBS long enough to pay our stadium bonds. Then, we will have the breathing room necessary to think strategically about what sort of football program we want to have, if any.

Wow, what a sanguine outlook! Seriously Andre, are you that concerned about the future of USM football that you think TPTB would consider dropping the sport?

I'm far more concerned that TPTB will continue fielding a Southland-level team and playing embarrassing money games because that's what pays the bills. The Ellis Johnson hire was a slap in the face, not because there's anything inherently wrong with the man, but because they got him for 3/4 of Fedora's salary. The current staff is making even less. What message am I supposed to take away from that, other than one of surrender? And what is the value of fielding that kind of team, other than meeting financial commitments? I'd like to say that USM is committed to getting back to where it was 10-15 years ago, but in my heart I know that our leadership just isn't committed to that. The people who kept us out of the Sun Belt and the bottom tier of the USNWR rankings back in the 1990s have all been fired, or met their demise. What's left is a crude simulacrum of an institution that most of us don't even really remember, and I for one prefer my good memories to remain unsullied.

Honestly Andre, I don't recall a USM football team ever in such a dreadful state and I've been interested in college football since 1971. Southern Miss was always tough and any win by the Cajuns over that team was a real accomplishment.

Since joining this site I've read extensively about the goings-on at the USM program and now have a better understanding of just how high a hill there is to climb to get anywhere near where you were during the glory days.

For you guys there's been something of a perfect storm of negative circumstances that have come together over the last few years. At the same time you've had a series of coaching problems, you're also struggling with increased local competition for the kind of talent that always made up your bread & butter type teams. Toss in aging facilities at a time when it's tough to generate extra revenues (especially with poor showings on the field) and it's hard to see a way out. Finally, add an administration that's not willing to do what it takes to turn it around, and you may be right, there may be no way out.

Good luck going forward.

I'm happy with the B+

Like the article state "it's all in the eye of the beholder" and I ain't beholding that Tulane and UNLV should be graded with an A. They're both B's at best.

(01-10-2014 05:16 PM)AndreWhere Wrote: [ -> ]I'm far more concerned that TPTB will continue fielding a Southland-level team and playing embarrassing money games because that's what pays the bills. The Ellis Johnson hire was a slap in the face, not because there's anything inherently wrong with the man, but because they got him for 3/4 of Fedora's salary. The current staff is making even less. What message am I supposed to take away from that, other than one of surrender? And what is the value of fielding that kind of team, other than meeting financial commitments? I'd like to say that USM is committed to getting back to where it was 10-15 years ago, but in my heart I know that our leadership just isn't committed to that. The people who kept us out of the Sun Belt and the bottom tier of the USNWR rankings back in the 1990s have all been fired, or met their demise. What's left is a crude simulacrum of an institution that most of us don't even really remember, and I for one prefer my good memories to remain unsullied.

Not too many teams outside the P5 would fire a coach after one year for losing, and eat 4 remaining years of a 5-year contract. I'm quite confident that we would not. So to me that showed a respectable financial commitment to winning.

He rated Tulsa's 3-9 season correctly....F. It was a complete failure.

I agree with the B grade for MT. Could've been better, could've been worse, but wasn't all that bad.

(01-10-2014 11:45 PM)Lee Moses Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2014 05:16 PM)AndreWhere Wrote: [ -> ]I'm far more concerned that TPTB will continue fielding a Southland-level team and playing embarrassing money games because that's what pays the bills. The Ellis Johnson hire was a slap in the face, not because there's anything inherently wrong with the man, but because they got him for 3/4 of Fedora's salary. The current staff is making even less. What message am I supposed to take away from that, other than one of surrender? And what is the value of fielding that kind of team, other than meeting financial commitments? I'd like to say that USM is committed to getting back to where it was 10-15 years ago, but in my heart I know that our leadership just isn't committed to that. The people who kept us out of the Sun Belt and the bottom tier of the USNWR rankings back in the 1990s have all been fired, or met their demise. What's left is a crude simulacrum of an institution that most of us don't even really remember, and I for one prefer my good memories to remain unsullied.

Not too many teams outside the P5 would fire a coach after one year for losing, and eat 4 remaining years of a 5-year contract. I'm quite confident that we would not. So to me that showed a respectable financial commitment to winning.

Not too many teams anywhere, including the NFL, would have fired EJ. But I wouldn't attribute that firing to any well-considered master plan. The AD at that time was really still figuring out his job at that point in time. (We didn't give him a chance to finish figuring it out, either.)

We've still got a few things going for us. We pay more (still) than most mid-majors, we've got better football facilities than most, etc. Bill McGillis is a good dude. Basketball is heating up. What's missing is the attitude. It seems to have run off to Chapel Hill.