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Talk about a tough choice. I vote for a third option, both, while having to give up meat for a month.

I think that we are more likely to get a football win over UNC than a basketball win over VCU (though I would have liked our chances better with Born and Mann playing.) UNC beat Pitt thanks to two special teams touchdowns, so this is a game where the TH pooch punts will work in our benefit. If we can keep from turning the ball over, we can win this game.

We will have a tough time beating VCU in basketball because we lack the things needed to beat VCU (big men who can handle the ball and abuse them in the paint). VCU has too many players who can attack the rim. I can see Ross and Taylor getting in foul trouble early in this one. With our lack of big men, along with the enforcement of handchecking, we will have a tough time defending them in the half court even if their 3's aren't falling. This would be a good game for Batten to get out of his funk, because the only way we will beat VCU this year is to outscore them (and that means having to beat them at their own game.)

I agree that a win over UNC would do more good for our athletic program's profile (not to mention the butthurt that will be inflicted upon the fanbase of a certain purple academically superior school that just lost to the Sunny Brook Rebeccas). But a win over VCU would do more to help our basketball program, and God knows we need it. Football will be OK either way.

For the good of the athetic program as a whole, give me a football victory over UNC. However, for pure hedonistic pleasure, give me a basketball win over the stinking lambs because VCU...

I hate VCU. I choose to beat them every time. I know its petty and reaks of jealousy, but I hate how they've elevated their program with much less potential than ODUs. They are right where I thought (5 or 6 years ago) the Monarchs would be by now. Certainly didnt think they would surpass us by this much. Especially with us being nearly equal athletically at the time, about the same academically, ODU having a nicer campus and better facilities, arguably better location and us beating them for the conference championships. I guess Shaka really is that good. At least beating them would help maintain the rivalry and keep us relevant in hoops. We will likely never be in the talk for a football national championship or top 10. VCU has proven that its possible for an ODU (or Butler, or Witchita, or VCU or GMU... and yes that who I consider ODUs peer programs) to attain those heights. If they can do it, theres no reason why ODU cant at least crack the top 25 at some point if the admin makes it a priority. Im pretty disgusted with the state of the mens program right now, and a win over VCU would make me feel a lot better.

In football we have our Aim High philosophy and it's one thing to talk about it/put strategy in place, but it's something totally different to be about it and create successful tactics that make the strategy work. We beat UNC, carry that momentum into the CUSA and all of a sudden we are thrown even deeper into the national spotlight. Bball will bounce back in time, but it would be amazing if we won both!

UNC.

Here's why--beating UNC this year would be a program changing event.

Beating VCU this year, while being awesome, would be highlighted by seeing ODU listed under "Bad Loss" when they are discussing VCU's chances at an at-large bid.

Beating VCU was always exciting especially on their home court. We've been there and done that and will do it again I'm sure.

But beating a BCS football team on their home field for the first time is still on the to-do list.

(11-20-2013 09:12 AM)csims98 Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about VCU yesterday and how little I care about it now. We have both gone our separate ways and I just have the desire to hate them like before. Much of that probably comes from the fact that they have skyrocketed passed us in basketball. Is it OK to feel a little happy for them that they took their small midmajor program to the upper levels? Man I feel sick now :(

Let's face it - both fan bases were right:
1. We were confident in our ability to football work here
2. They were right in the fact that football would take a toll on our basketball program.

But then I think about that obnoxious pav guy, the band stripper, all the whining over every whistle, the block call on Marsh, Garry Shandling, Nick George, how their announcer says Soff-a-More, that building, the VCU Tournament held by the CAA and I just want throw up all over again.

I forgot to vote - Beating UNC by a ton! Beating VCU would be fun, but our first ACC Win? We would remember that forever.

I don't agree with that. There was no real redirection of funds or resources. In fact, it could be argued that with no de-emphasis in MBB the addition of football could have indeed been a advantage in recruiting.
I'll stop here.

I am a football guy, so I vote UNC. We have beaten ranked basketball programs in the past, and we will have many opportunities to beat VCU in the future.

Our first BCS win will be a monumental milestone whenever it occurs.
The sooner it happens in the short history of this program, the more epic and historically significant it will be.

(11-20-2013 09:53 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote: [ -> ]Beating VCU was always exciting especially on their home court. We've been there and done that and will do it again I'm sure.

But beating a BCS football team on their home field for the first time is still on the to-do list.

Let's see how we do between now and the VCU game. If we can win all our regular games and split the Cancun games, we may be thinking about building our own profile. A win over VCU AND either WVU, St Louis, or Wisconson plus no bad OOC losses would be an interesting profile.

Not expecting any of this, it is just a little soon to rate the significance of the VCU game and who knows if Batten gets hot and he and Bacote are at the tops of their games at the same time.

I agree. The fall of our basketball program has nothing to do with football. If anything, football should enhance our ability to recruit for basketball as our players would have something to enjoy in the fall besides art museums.

Give them credit. The Final Four run was a fluke, but they have certainly capitalized on it.

(11-20-2013 10:01 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2013 09:12 AM)csims98 Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about VCU yesterday and how little I care about it now. We have both gone our separate ways and I just have the desire to hate them like before. Much of that probably comes from the fact that they have skyrocketed passed us in basketball. Is it OK to feel a little happy for them that they took their small midmajor program to the upper levels? Man I feel sick now :(

Let's face it - both fan bases were right:
1. We were confident in our ability to football work here
2. They were right in the fact that football would take a toll on our basketball program.

But then I think about that obnoxious pav guy, the band stripper, all the whining over every whistle, the block call on Marsh, Garry Shandling, Nick George, how their announcer says Soff-a-More, that building, the VCU Tournament held by the CAA and I just want throw up all over again.

I forgot to vote - Beating UNC by a ton! Beating VCU would be fun, but our first ACC Win? We would remember that forever.

I don't agree with that. There was no real redirection of funds or resources. In fact, it could be argued that with no de-emphasis in MBB the addition of football could have indeed been a advantage in recruiting.
I'll stop here.

I am a football guy, so I vote UNC. We have beaten ranked basketball programs in the past, and we will have many opportunities to beat VCU in the future.

Our first BCS win will be a monumental milestone whenever it occurs.
The sooner it happens in the short history of this program, the more epic and historically significant it will be.

The budget for the coaching position was cut in half. Not trying to rehash an argument about the decision, but the fact remains that we are spending significantly less on basketball now.

Any recent word on the practice facility?

(11-20-2013 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]The budget for the coaching position was cut in half. Not trying to rehash an argument about the decision, but the fact remains that we are spending significantly less on basketball now.

Any recent word on the practice facility?

You can't look just at the money paid to the coach. If they hadn't fired BT and kept paying him the same, then that argument goes out the window and clearly that would have been a worse decision.

Outside of coaching salary, where else have we cut the basketball budget? I'm not saying we haven't, but I'm just curious.

(11-20-2013 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2013 10:01 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2013 09:12 AM)csims98 Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about VCU yesterday and how little I care about it now. We have both gone our separate ways and I just have the desire to hate them like before. Much of that probably comes from the fact that they have skyrocketed passed us in basketball. Is it OK to feel a little happy for them that they took their small midmajor program to the upper levels? Man I feel sick now :(

Let's face it - both fan bases were right:
1. We were confident in our ability to football work here
2. They were right in the fact that football would take a toll on our basketball program.

But then I think about that obnoxious pav guy, the band stripper, all the whining over every whistle, the block call on Marsh, Garry Shandling, Nick George, how their announcer says Soff-a-More, that building, the VCU Tournament held by the CAA and I just want throw up all over again.

I forgot to vote - Beating UNC by a ton! Beating VCU would be fun, but our first ACC Win? We would remember that forever.

I don't agree with that. There was no real redirection of funds or resources. In fact, it could be argued that with no de-emphasis in MBB the addition of football could have indeed been a advantage in recruiting.
I'll stop here.

I am a football guy, so I vote UNC. We have beaten ranked basketball programs in the past, and we will have many opportunities to beat VCU in the future.

Our first BCS win will be a monumental milestone whenever it occurs.
The sooner it happens in the short history of this program, the more epic and historically significant it will be.

The budget for the coaching position was cut in half. Not trying to rehash an argument about the decision, but the fact remains that we are spending significantly less on basketball now.

Any recent word on the practice facility?

The seeds of our mbb "collapse" were planted well before we changed coaches.

(11-20-2013 10:15 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2013 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2013 10:01 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2013 09:12 AM)csims98 Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about VCU yesterday and how little I care about it now. We have both gone our separate ways and I just have the desire to hate them like before. Much of that probably comes from the fact that they have skyrocketed passed us in basketball. Is it OK to feel a little happy for them that they took their small midmajor program to the upper levels? Man I feel sick now :(

Let's face it - both fan bases were right:
1. We were confident in our ability to football work here
2. They were right in the fact that football would take a toll on our basketball program.

But then I think about that obnoxious pav guy, the band stripper, all the whining over every whistle, the block call on Marsh, Garry Shandling, Nick George, how their announcer says Soff-a-More, that building, the VCU Tournament held by the CAA and I just want throw up all over again.

I forgot to vote - Beating UNC by a ton! Beating VCU would be fun, but our first ACC Win? We would remember that forever.

I don't agree with that. There was no real redirection of funds or resources. In fact, it could be argued that with no de-emphasis in MBB the addition of football could have indeed been a advantage in recruiting.
I'll stop here.

I am a football guy, so I vote UNC. We have beaten ranked basketball programs in the past, and we will have many opportunities to beat VCU in the future.

Our first BCS win will be a monumental milestone whenever it occurs.
The sooner it happens in the short history of this program, the more epic and historically significant it will be.

The budget for the coaching position was cut in half. Not trying to rehash an argument about the decision, but the fact remains that we are spending significantly less on basketball now.

Any recent word on the practice facility?

The seeds of our mbb "collapse" were planted well before we changed coaches.

Completely agree.

UNC...as mentioned earlier, ODU is a football school now.

(11-20-2013 10:15 AM)djnva Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2013 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]The budget for the coaching position was cut in half. Not trying to rehash an argument about the decision, but the fact remains that we are spending significantly less on basketball now.

Any recent word on the practice facility?

You can't look just at the money paid to the coach. If they hadn't fired BT and kept paying him the same, then that argument goes out the window and clearly that would have been a worse decision.

Outside of coaching salary, where else have we cut the basketball budget? I'm not saying we haven't, but I'm just curious.

I don't want to argue the merits of the decision. I agree with your post. No idea about the rest of the basketball budget. I do wonder if the plans for the practice facility have been kicked down the road due to football, but I don't have a definitive answer.

(11-20-2013 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2013 10:01 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2013 09:12 AM)csims98 Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about VCU yesterday and how little I care about it now. We have both gone our separate ways and I just have the desire to hate them like before. Much of that probably comes from the fact that they have skyrocketed passed us in basketball. Is it OK to feel a little happy for them that they took their small midmajor program to the upper levels? Man I feel sick now :(

Let's face it - both fan bases were right:
1. We were confident in our ability to football work here
2. They were right in the fact that football would take a toll on our basketball program.

But then I think about that obnoxious pav guy, the band stripper, all the whining over every whistle, the block call on Marsh, Garry Shandling, Nick George, how their announcer says Soff-a-More, that building, the VCU Tournament held by the CAA and I just want throw up all over again.

I forgot to vote - Beating UNC by a ton! Beating VCU would be fun, but our first ACC Win? We would remember that forever.

I don't agree with that. There was no real redirection of funds or resources. In fact, it could be argued that with no de-emphasis in MBB the addition of football could have indeed been a advantage in recruiting.
I'll stop here.

I am a football guy, so I vote UNC. We have beaten ranked basketball programs in the past, and we will have many opportunities to beat VCU in the future.

Our first BCS win will be a monumental milestone whenever it occurs.
The sooner it happens in the short history of this program, the more epic and historically significant it will be.

The budget for the coaching position was cut in half. Not trying to rehash an argument about the decision, but the fact remains that we are spending significantly less on basketball now.

Any recent word on the practice facility?

So what exactly is the full compensation package for Jones, including ODAF contribution? Just curious. Do we even know?

Of course I would prefer ODU to beat both VCU in bball AND UNC in fb, but if I had to pick one I would go for the victory over UNC for all of the historic significance, and recruiting advantages it would provide.

GO MONARCHS! AIM HIGH!!!

They have not finished Jones contract as of last week. Was in the Pilot. Still working on a handshake agreement of some sort.

This is a easy one. I would want to win at UNC at this point it would be a monumental win for our program. Realistically, i think a win a UNC is also more possible this year that a win against VCU. So im a realist and we have already beaten VCU plenty of time. Onward with our football program.

(11-20-2013 10:41 AM)odu83alumni Wrote: [ -> ]This is a easy one. I would want to win at UNC at this point it would be a monumental win for our program. Realistically, i think a win a UNC is also more possible this year that a win against VCU. So im a realist and we have already beaten VCU plenty of time. Onward with our football program.

What if, hypothetically, a VCU win would be the difference in getting an at-large bid? Would you still rather beat UNC?

Just curious if it is more the lack of significance in the VCU game is predicated on the assumption that we have a 10 win basketball team or if the significance of the UNC game is predicated on the assumption that Norfolk will be raining 4-star recruits as a result.

(11-20-2013 07:48 AM)N2theBlue Wrote: [ -> ]VCU. Always VCU.

Exactly.

(11-20-2013 10:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2013 10:41 AM)odu83alumni Wrote: [ -> ]This is a easy one. I would want to win at UNC at this point it would be a monumental win for our program. Realistically, i think a win a UNC is also more possible this year that a win against VCU. So im a realist and we have already beaten VCU plenty of time. Onward with our football program.

What if, hypothetically, a VCU win would be the difference in getting an at-large bid? Would you still rather beat UNC?

Just curious if it is more the lack of significance in the VCU game is predicated on the assumption that we have a 10 win basketball team or if the significance of the UNC game is predicated on the assumption that Norfolk will be raining 4-star recruits as a result.

Getting an at large bid would be very nice for the basketball team but for me we are an up and coming football school. This UNC game is being televised regionally. I live in Richmond and really kinda over the VCU/ODU thing for the time being. Im sure our basketball program will rebuild and play them hard and close in the future. We need to get that first FBS win and yes take it to the next level. Im still a realist and don't see this team with the current lineup getting an at large bid. We are a couple of big men from that.