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I was thinking about this over the weekend.

Why all the focus on football injuries, player "bullying", coach abuse, and the other negatives? These stories are getting so much attention lately.

Preventing injury should be a priority, and no sane person would argue that, but football is war, and war isn't pretty. It's a game for tough guys. It's full of physical and mental abuse. The potential for injury comes with the territory.

So why are some wimps who can't take a ration of verbal hardball getting so much press?

Who stands to gain from bringing the sport down?

Lawyers who see big dollar payoffs?

Other sports?

Those who see a benefit in feminizing men?

More evidence that America has become a nation of victims?
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(11-18-2013 05:25 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about this over the weekend.

Why all the focus on football injuries, player "bullying", coach abuse, and the other negatives? These stories are getting so much attention lately.

Preventing injury should be a priority, and no sane person would argue that, but football is war, and war isn't pretty. It's a game for tough guys. It's full of physical and mental abuse. The potential for injury comes with the territory.

So why are some wimps who can't take a ration of verbal hardball getting so much press?

Who stands to gain from bringing the sport down?

Lawyers who see big dollar payoffs?

Other sports?

Those who see a benefit in feminizing men?

More evidence that America has become a nation of victims?

There are fewer and fewer kids coming out for football at all levels.

#1 reason IMO is that lots of people are reluctant as a result of the stories about concussions. Not that concussions don't happen and they are certainly serious injuries. But back in the day we didn't have concussions, we just got our "bell rung" now and again. Wait for the cobwebs to clear and go back in, no problem.

I had to get certified in concussion identification and treatment to continue coaching last year.

Although I can't remember a thing I learned in that certification program. I got my "bell rung" plenty back in the day.

But back then we wore onions on our belts, because that was the style of the day. What were we talking about again?
The latest numbers that were released was participation at all levels is down over 10% nationally since 2010 and head injuries are listed as the number one concern of parents whose kids are no longer playing.
not that it would shock most you, but my mother wouldn't let me play youth football. i didn't protest too much
We had this conversation awhile ago on here. I stick with my prediction that in 10-15 years football won't be anywhere near what it is now and soccer will become bigger and bigger in the US. And now some folks tell me that soccer is actually more dangerous than football and I laugh.

I did think it was interesting that Jerome Bettis and another NFL player(can't remember who) on NBC said they did not even play football until high school. I never would have thought that NFL players would not have started until high school.
Concussion training is a requirement for all sports, I also did the CBT and 1st had to take it for baseball. Great comment about getting your bell rung.
(11-18-2013 05:25 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about this over the weekend.

Why all the focus on football injuries, player "bullying", coach abuse, and the other negatives? These stories are getting so much attention lately.

Preventing injury should be a priority, and no sane person would argue that, but football is war, and war isn't pretty. It's a game for tough guys. It's full of physical and mental abuse. The potential for injury comes with the territory.

So why are some wimps who can't take a ration of verbal hardball getting so much press?

Who stands to gain from bringing the sport down?

Lawyers who see big dollar payoffs?

Other sports?

Those who see a benefit in feminizing men?

More evidence that America has become a nation of victims?

(11-19-2013 08:02 PM)Lush Wrote: [ -> ]not that it would shock most you, but my mother wouldn't let me play youth football. i didn't protest too much

Mine too, but weirdly enough she let me play hockey my whole youth
(11-18-2013 05:25 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about this over the weekend.

Why all the focus on football injuries, player "bullying", coach abuse, and the other negatives? These stories are getting so much attention lately.

Preventing injury should be a priority, and no sane person would argue that, but football is war, and war isn't pretty. It's a game for tough guys. It's full of physical and mental abuse. The potential for injury comes with the territory.

So why are some wimps who can't take a ration of verbal hardball getting so much press?

Who stands to gain from bringing the sport down?

Lawyers who see big dollar payoffs?

Other sports?

Those who see a benefit in feminizing men?

More evidence that America has become a nation of victims?

One of my ex-NFL clients has dementia and an absolutely broken body. His medical expenses are more than you can fathom. But it's all about feminists and a big payday for me? Okay buddy.
(11-18-2013 05:25 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about this over the weekend.

Why all the focus on football injuries, player "bullying", coach abuse, and the other negatives? These stories are getting so much attention lately.

Preventing injury should be a priority, and no sane person would argue that, but football is war, and war isn't pretty. It's a game for tough guys. It's full of physical and mental abuse. The potential for injury comes with the territory.

So why are some wimps who can't take a ration of verbal hardball getting so much press?

Who stands to gain from bringing the sport down?

Lawyers who see big dollar payoffs?

Other sports?

Those who see a benefit in feminizing men?

More evidence that America has become a nation of victims?

I think that is going on across board all over the place. Just look at what has happened to membership in adult male fraternal organizations, Elks, Moose lodges, Masons, KofC, Kiwanis, Rotary, Shriners, all of it declined when both Men and Woman worked full time while having kids. Woman did a better job of maintain girl friendships, and guys just packed it in.

Hell NFL games used to be for Men, look at the Enquirer pics of tailgaters, just as many girls now. Pretty much every friend I had vanished after their wedding reception. They don't want to do anything anymore. Men can't be Men anymore.

At least my Brother is always up for fishing, hunting and camping.
Column: Youth football could lose the numbers game

AP | By JIM LITKE

Published November 20, 2013 11:14AM EST

The deaths of 19 football players in a single season precipitated a national crisis in 1905, an event Doris Kearns Goodwin touches on in a new biography of president Teddy Roosevelt. There were 28 reported deaths some seven decades later, when James Michener created a stir with "Sports in America."

"But there is no cry to end football, nor will there be," he wrote, "because every society decides what it is willing to pay for its entertainment."

So far this season, at least six kids have died playing high school football. Writer Matt Chaney makes a persuasive argument the real number is nearly five times that — and would be higher still if not for incredible advances in trauma care. He could be right. The fact is the numbers at every level of amateur football have always been open to question.

Remember that if one of the breezy "Football Safety Clinics for Moms" turns up in your neck of the woods.

The 90-minute presentation is jointly sponsored by the local NFL team and the league, part of a charm offensive launched to combat the growing body of science on the dangers posed by concussions to even the youngest players. The aim is to convince families to allow kids, some as young as 5, to play tackle football, thus ensuring a steady flow of talent in the pipeline.

It's bad enough that the moms' clinic in Chicago last month never touched the topic of how many kids are killed or broken playing football every year. And worse that it included a demonstration of what's called "Heads-Up" tackling, a technique that claims to teach kids and coaches how to avoid head and neck injuries — as if such a thing were practical in real games, instead of practically impossible.

But the picture gets even worse after looking at the research collected by Chaney, whose 2009 book "Spiral of Denial," focused on the use of performance-enhancing drugs in football. He argues the numbers used to frame the debate are even worse than most of us suspect.

Researchers used to compile them from newspaper accounts; now they conduct their searches online. The most widely-cited authority on youth fatalities these days is the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research. It found 243 deaths from a variety of causes among college and high school football players recorded between July 1990 and June 2010 — an average of 12 per year.

At the lower levels, reporting is even worse. Pop Warner, the umbrella organization for nearly 300,000 of the nation's 3 million football-playing youngsters, is one of the most responsible youth sports programs around. It wasn't until last year, however, that it began its own research survey to determine how many youngsters actually suffer concussions each season because previously, the only way to track them was through Pop Warner's medical insurers, which reported exactly seven for all of 2011.

Beyond the six reported deaths in high school football already this season, some players succumbed two days after their initial injuries, one remained in a coma for two weeks and another for seven. A handful suffered cardiac arrest. Autopsies concluded several had complicating factors and pre-existing conditions that contributed to their deaths. Chaney, who began analyzing news reports and collecting data for "Spiral of Denial," contends not every one becomes part of the NCCS database.

"When a high school football player gets killed in a collision, that makes news," he said. "After that, it can get iffy. There's a large realm of cases that never get proven either way."

"A number of parents, for example, believe playing football drove their kids to drug overdoses and suicides. But those are never included by anyone. ... Yet you always hear someone say, 'The benefits outweigh the risk' as if it were a fact. It's pretty much the standard line kids and their parents are fed at every level.

"For the pros, maybe," he added. "For the rest of us, you just have to live long enough to know it's not always true."

Chaney, 53, used to be a football guy. He walked on at Southeast Missouri State in the early 1980s, shredded his knee in practice, then started taking steroids to recover and earn a spot on the field. He never did. Chaney segued into a student assistant coaching job and helped players on the team get PEDs, a past he's not proud of today.

After writing and teaching the last two decades, he began researching catastrophic injuries in youth football three years ago. Whatever the right numbers are, Chaney is certain football's day of reckoning isn't that far off. He might be right about that, too.

Youth coaches, leagues and their insurers are already being sued in a number of places by players who suffered catastrophic injuries, and their parents. Last week, a 15-year-old named Donnovan Hill, who was paralyzed following a collision in a 2011, claimed in a lawsuit that he was taught an unsafe "head-first" tackling technique by his coaches that was prohibited by both the league and the Pop Warner governing body, but never enforced.

"Awareness of the problem made a difference, but only a small one. Brain injuries are terrible, I think we all understand that now. But it hasn't discouraged too many parents from having their kids play — yet," he said. "What could change it, though, is money.

"All those emergency room visits and trauma care costs insurance companies plenty and I think, given the squeeze on resources and higher health-care costs, we're getting close to the breaking point. At some point, football is going to become too expensive for a lot of families and even communities to play. It will be interesting to see what kind of campaign the NFL rolls out when it does."

Chaney won't try to predict when that day will arrive, but he thinks you can see it from here. He may be right about that, too.

___

Jim Litke is a national sports columnist for The Associated Press. Write to him at jlitke@ap.org and follow him at http://www.twitter.com/JimLitke .

http://www.rr.com/articles/2013/11/20/c/...mbers-game
(11-20-2013 01:49 PM)MickMack Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-18-2013 05:25 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about this over the weekend.

Why all the focus on football injuries, player "bullying", coach abuse, and the other negatives? These stories are getting so much attention lately.

Preventing injury should be a priority, and no sane person would argue that, but football is war, and war isn't pretty. It's a game for tough guys. It's full of physical and mental abuse. The potential for injury comes with the territory.

So why are some wimps who can't take a ration of verbal hardball getting so much press?

Who stands to gain from bringing the sport down?

Lawyers who see big dollar payoffs?

Other sports?

Those who see a benefit in feminizing men?

More evidence that America has become a nation of victims?

One of my ex-NFL clients has dementia and an absolutely broken body. His medical expenses are more than you can fathom. But it's all about feminists and a big payday for me? Okay buddy.

I do not for a moment think that there is not lasting physical and mental damage for some who play contact sports. I see the walking wounded every time I visit my orthopedist's office.

At some point, we chose to play sports, especially so at the professional level. We know the risks.

Unless a lawyer is representing his/her client pro bono, then the lawyer benefits financially, in what is a market with high potential.

How much does a football helmet cost? Quite a lot, and most the price goes to insurance costs for the helmet maker.
Just FYI barstool sports has a section on the p****fication of sports worth checking out.
(11-21-2013 01:33 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-20-2013 01:49 PM)MickMack Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-18-2013 05:25 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about this over the weekend.

Why all the focus on football injuries, player "bullying", coach abuse, and the other negatives? These stories are getting so much attention lately.

Preventing injury should be a priority, and no sane person would argue that, but football is war, and war isn't pretty. It's a game for tough guys. It's full of physical and mental abuse. The potential for injury comes with the territory.

So why are some wimps who can't take a ration of verbal hardball getting so much press?

Who stands to gain from bringing the sport down?

Lawyers who see big dollar payoffs?

Other sports?

Those who see a benefit in feminizing men?

More evidence that America has become a nation of victims?

One of my ex-NFL clients has dementia and an absolutely broken body. His medical expenses are more than you can fathom. But it's all about feminists and a big payday for me? Okay buddy.

I do not for a moment think that there is not lasting physical and mental damage for some who play contact sports. I see the walking wounded every time I visit my orthopedist's office.

At some point, we chose to play sports, especially so at the professional level. We know the risks.

Unless a lawyer is representing his/her client pro bono, then the lawyer benefits financially, in what is a market with high potential.

How much does a football helmet cost? Quite a lot, and most the price goes to insurance costs for the helmet maker.

Good thread. Though you won't get 99% to believe it, I do agree with the "pussification" of this country especially our young boys and men. Having said that, if I could go back and undo things sports wise, though I absolutely love the gridiron and everything about it, I wished I had never played. Period. But that is just me speaking and I wouldn't in a million years ever talk down the game of football.

Again....good thread. Leave it to you Dan to bring it up. Ha!
(11-20-2013 02:12 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-18-2013 05:25 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about this over the weekend.

Why all the focus on football injuries, player "bullying", coach abuse, and the other negatives? These stories are getting so much attention lately.

Preventing injury should be a priority, and no sane person would argue that, but football is war, and war isn't pretty. It's a game for tough guys. It's full of physical and mental abuse. The potential for injury comes with the territory.

So why are some wimps who can't take a ration of verbal hardball getting so much press?

Who stands to gain from bringing the sport down?

Lawyers who see big dollar payoffs?

Other sports?

Those who see a benefit in feminizing men?

More evidence that America has become a nation of victims?

I think that is going on across board all over the place. Just look at what has happened to membership in adult male fraternal organizations, Elks, Moose lodges, Masons, KofC, Kiwanis, Rotary, Shriners, all of it declined when both Men and Woman worked full time while having kids. Woman did a better job of maintain girl friendships, and guys just packed it in.

Hell NFL games used to be for Men, look at the Enquirer pics of tailgaters, just as many girls now. Pretty much every friend I had vanished after their wedding reception. They don't want to do anything anymore. Men can't be Men anymore.

At least my Brother is always up for fishing, hunting and camping.

There you go. I need to start reading the entire thread before posting. Good to see the "pussification" hasn't got to you either.
(11-20-2013 02:12 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-18-2013 05:25 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about this over the weekend.

Why all the focus on football injuries, player "bullying", coach abuse, and the other negatives? These stories are getting so much attention lately.

Preventing injury should be a priority, and no sane person would argue that, but football is war, and war isn't pretty. It's a game for tough guys. It's full of physical and mental abuse. The potential for injury comes with the territory.

So why are some wimps who can't take a ration of verbal hardball getting so much press?

Who stands to gain from bringing the sport down?

Lawyers who see big dollar payoffs?

Other sports?

Those who see a benefit in feminizing men?

More evidence that America has become a nation of victims?

I think that is going on across board all over the place. Just look at what has happened to membership in adult male fraternal organizations, Elks, Moose lodges, Masons, KofC, Kiwanis, Rotary, Shriners, all of it declined when both Men and Woman worked full time while having kids. Woman did a better job of maintain girl friendships, and guys just packed it in.

Hell NFL games used to be for Men, look at the Enquirer pics of tailgaters, just as many girls now. Pretty much every friend I had vanished after their wedding reception. They don't want to do anything anymore. Men can't be Men anymore.

At least my Brother is always up for fishing, hunting and camping.

No longer sports. It's entertainment now. More $$ in entertainment that appeals to the lowest common denominator of women and men (read:more advertisers want in on the act).

I'd prefer to grab my bow with my boys or do some work on my tractor on Sundays than spend it on a couch in front of a TV so I largely gave up on the NFL years back.

College ever starts feeling too made for TV and frilly I will find better things to do with my time on Satrudays, too.

You ever get the itch for hitting the great outdoors, give me a holler.
Not sure it's as much "pussification" as much as it is the league trying to protect itself. NFL players did not look like they do now 20 years ago or even 10 years ago. Now the players are all gigantic, bigger, stronger and faster which is leading to more and more vicious hits. Add in an attitude of players taking pride in injuring other players and the NFL brass sees where it is heading. I am actually happy to see a major sport trying to get out ahead of a major disaster. How great would it have been if MLB had actually been proactive about the steroids issue.

I wonder if all those former NFL players who can't remember their own name are happy that at least they aren't "pusssies."
(11-22-2013 09:08 PM)BeerCat Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure it's as much "pussification" as much as it is the league trying to protect itself. NFL players did not look like they do now 20 years ago or even 10 years ago. Now the players are all gigantic, bigger, stronger and faster which is leading to more and more vicious hits. Add in an attitude of players taking pride in injuring other players and the NFL brass sees where it is heading. I am actually happy to see a major sport trying to get out ahead of a major disaster. How great would it have been if MLB had actually been proactive about the steroids issue.

I wonder if all those former NFL players who can't remember their own name are happy that at least they aren't "pusssies."

Yeah there are people that are shooting themselves in the chest because they are in so much pain mentally, physically and emotionally, but they want their brain to be studied. They come from a culture that tells you that you should man up (a culture that is mocking Jonathan Martin for seeking help right now) so they don't feel like they can ask for help. So instead they just kill themselves.

If that is the pussification of America, consider me on board.

I like watching football. I will strongly steer my children in the direction of another sport.
(11-22-2013 09:08 PM)BeerCat Wrote: [ -> ]I am actually happy to see a major sport trying to get out ahead of a major disaster. How great would it have been if MLB had actually been proactive about the steroids issue.

You don't actually believe that, do you? Google League of Denial.

Also, MLB's lax steroid policy can't really be compared to the NFL's couple decades of denying any link between football and brain injuries. Bonds doesn't have early onset dementia and McGwire hasn't committed suicide.
(11-23-2013 12:42 AM)levydl Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-22-2013 09:08 PM)BeerCat Wrote: [ -> ]I am actually happy to see a major sport trying to get out ahead of a major disaster. How great would it have been if MLB had actually been proactive about the steroids issue.

You don't actually believe that, do you? Google League of Denial.

Also, MLB's lax steroid policy can't really be compared to the NFL's couple decades of denying any link between football and brain injuries. Bonds doesn't have early onset dementia and McGwire hasn't committed suicide.

Yeah you're probably right.
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