Can't argue that ucf is showing the commitment to football ie. $$$$$. And that seems to be the driving force nowadays.
Another opinion. I'm sure the tigershart concurs. I haven't seen him in a while. Did he violate parol?
That was interesting. Even more interesting was one of the comments after the article. It says a Rivals rumor has the BE going after the 4 NC schools of the ACC after the split. Granted it's a rumor and unlikely, but it's interesting...
It allows the BE to be the best BB conf. despite the split, strengthens BE academics, sures up any worries about BCS bids, and gives those NC football programs a better chance to compete (an issue at least 3 of the 4 had major concerns about before the last expansion).
Last but not least, it would be the greatest revenge tactic the BE could give to the ACC. "You want our Football power? We're taking away your Basketball mystique, beyotch!!!"
Again, I'm just sayin' it would be fun to watch.
Funny comment from the link...
Quote:There's been a rumor circulating the rivals network about the BE trying to lure Carolina, North Carolina State, Duke and Wake Forest into the league at the time it goes down to 8 teams when the football schools split from the hoops schools.
Is there actually somebody out there that thinks that would happen? lmfao
ChooChoo Wrote:That was interesting. Even more interesting was one of the comments after the article. It says a Rivals rumor has the BE going after the 4 NC schools of the ACC after the split. Granted it's a rumor and unlikely, but it's interesting...
It allows the BE to be the best BB conf. despite the split, strengthens BE academics, sures up any worries about BCS bids, and gives those NC football programs a better chance to compete (an issue at least 3 of the 4 had major concerns about before the last expansion).
Last but not least, it would be the greatest revenge tactic the BE could give to the ACC. "You want our Football power? We're taking away your Basketball mystique, beyotch!!!"
Again, I'm just sayin' it would be fun to watch.
Got me by a couple seconds on that one.
What do I win? The 9th spot in the BE?
GrayBeard Wrote:Funny comment from the link...
Quote:There's been a rumor circulating the rivals network about the BE trying to lure Carolina, North Carolina State, Duke and Wake Forest into the league at the time it goes down to 8 teams when the football schools split from the hoops schools.
Is there actually somebody out there that thinks that would happen? lmfao
That would be the Pitt Rivals board. I don't know if it made it to any other but it was started there.
http://pittsburgh.rivals.com/showmsg.asp...57&style=1
Better put the whole story here in case it disappears later. All of the factors that we've discussed in the past that would play in favor of Central Florida should only get better in the future. I would think their new AD, the former Executive Director of the Orange Bowl, would have some serious Big East connections. He may be able to undo the damage that was supposedly perpetrated by the old regime. The Golden Knights sure better hope so.
The Sporting News Wrote:Hey, Big East: Give Central Florida a call
May 25, 2006
If I'm Big East commish Mike Tranghese, I'm placing a call to Central Florida's new AD Keith Tribble and floating the idea of the Knights joining the Big East.
When I spoke with Tranghese a couple of months ago, he said the league wasn't looking into expanding from eight teams. His argument against expansion -- it dilutes bowl revenue by adding another share, among other reasons -- is fair. But UCF is a natural fit, geography notwithstanding. UCF is the largest public university in the state of Florida, and Orlando is among the top 20 television markets in the nation.
The Knights just locked in high-profile coach George O'Leary for the next 10 years with a fat contract, and are 16 months from completing a new, 40,000-seat on-campus facility. Tribble was hired away from his spot as executive director of the Orange Bowl, where he single-handily saved the game's arse. Without Tribble's fundraising and networking ability with the college game's bigwigs, the fourth BCS game would likely be in Jacksonville right now. That alone should give him a lifetime of hosannas.
Tribble is the most prominent African American administrator/executive in college sports. He will do big things at UCF; it's only a matter of time. Moreover, UCF would give the Big East a natural rivalry game (South Florida vs. Central Florida), and would give the league a stronger foothold in recruiting the state with the most high school talent in the nation.
There logistics to adding UCF, most notably, scheduling for what would become a 17-team Big East basketball league. But it's really not about hoops. Football drives the engine in college sports. By adding UCF, the Big East adds a big television market (see: advertising revenue) and further strengthens recruiting in the state. And gets to pick the brain of one of the game's brightest administrators on a daily basis.
That should be more than enough.
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Brilliant Idea
Posted by fkobayashiBlog on Thu May 25, 2006 12:43 pm
I personally think that this is a great idea. Orlando is a great location for a university and a football team. Though, not too long ago, UCF lost a great deal of their games, I feel that the strides they've made in the past season have been tremendous.
Big East would do themselves well adding UCF.
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Posted by KCHokie on Thu May 25, 2006 01:57 pm
The Big East needs some help and adding UCF would help (although it will be impossible to replace Miami, BC, and VT). O'Leary just signed a 10 year deal and because of his resume will be able to attract great talent from the loaded state of Florida. It's also always fun to bring a rivalry (UCF vs. USF) to any conference.
Moot argument...
Posted by dancm2000 on Thu May 25, 2006 03:01 pm
None of this matters. After 2010 the Big East is going to split into two conferences. Its almost a foregone conclusion. School's like Villanova, St. John's, and Georgetown do not belong in an athletic conference with S. Florida UCF would likely be added after the split if they can continue to show improvement on the field and in the bank.
17 basketball teams.....Hayes, what are you smoking these days?
well...
Posted by rohara30 on Thu May 25, 2006 03:47 pm
I think the Big East should wait out. Schools like UCF, ECU, Southern Miss, and Memphis aren't going anywhere. In about 3 or 4 years, the 8 football schools will split off from the 8 basketball schools (Providence, Georgetown, Notre Dame, etc) and add 4 new members for football and all sports. That new 12 team conference will create new revenue in additional advertising dollars and huge markets in Orlando and Memphis, not to mention 12 teams means a conference championship game for football. Adding only 1,2, or 3 teams means no conference title and more teams to split money with, so it makes no sense.
There's been a rumor circulating the rivals network about the BE trying to lure Carolina, North Carolina State, Duke and Wake Forest into the league at the time it goes down to 8 teams when the football schools split from the hoops schools. Its an intriguing idea rooted in the idea of making a godly baskeball conference with Syracuse, UConn, Duke, UNC, WF, NC State, Louisville, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnatti etc, while giving NC State and them a realisic shot at competing for a BCS slot every year, but it will never happen. Those schools and their fans are too married to the ACC and are too used to running things their own way to attempt a move to a new conference just to get to some BCS game their fans aren't even concerned about (hoops rules with those schools). I don't see anything coming from that rumor. The Big East should really take a look at Memphis, East Carolina University, Southern Miss., and Central Florida. They just have to make sure to add them all at the same time.
Why?
Posted by jbdada0175 on Thu May 25, 2006 03:49 pm
Why didn't the Big East want Central Florida a couple of years ago after Miami, VT, and Boston College jumped ship? They had a chance, but they opted for South Florida, instead.
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Posted by rohara30 on Thu May 25, 2006 03:50 pm
Haha. Pitt was a combined 6-0 against BC and VaTech the last 3 years they were in the Big East. They're easy to replace. Heck, Louisville was pounding VaTech all day in the bowl game without Brian Brohm even playing due to a torn ACL until their walk on freshman QB threw 3 picks in the 4th quarter...and VaTech still barely won. Miami? Impossible to replace. BC and VaTech? Easy to replace.
Ugh...
Posted by hitchngo on Thu May 25, 2006 03:57 pm
As a fan of the BIG EAST I respectfully have to say "HELL NO!" I'd say stay at 8...even though it does create scheduling challenges. If you twisted my arm...Memphis...MAYBE...
Not 12
Posted by hitchngo on Thu May 25, 2006 04:09 pm
I dont think the BE will ever go to 12 because it won't make sense financially...even with a championship game. I'm thinking 9, maybe 10 at most...but truthfully I'd like to stay at 8.
If there is not a split, I favor adding one football team and one basketball team, for a total of 18 teams. If there is a split, I favor adding Central Florida and Temple for a total of 10 teams, if Notre Dame decides to go with the basketball schools. I don't buy the silly ACC rumor. Why would North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, and North Carolina State leave a 12 team ACC for a 12 team Big East? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
I'm a Memphis guy first but you must admit that UCF makes sense for many reasons not the least of which is getting USF off its island.
Just my opinion:
I think UCF will be even more appealing 3-4 years from now.
Right now we're still developing the program (even though last year was nice). I think the real "fruitation" will come in 3-4 years.
I hate the thought of living in an obese Big East. When will the madness stop. 16-18 teams is just too big. I still think it'll all come down to a new conference.
EAST
Louisville
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Memphis
South Florida
WEST
U Conn
Syracuse
Rutgers
ECU
Marshall
UCF
Can't argue that...doesn't get much further west then New Jersey or Connecticut.
I'm thinking of heading out east to Kentucky and Tennessee though.
army56mike Wrote:I hate the thought of living in an obese Big East. When will the madness stop. 16-18 teams is just too big. I still think it'll all come down to a new conference.
EAST
Louisville
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Memphis
South Florida
WEST
U Conn
Syracuse
Rutgers
ECU
Marshall
UCF
st932253 Wrote:Can't argue that...doesn't get much further west then New Jersey or Connecticut.
I'm thinking of heading out east to Kentucky and Tennessee though.
army56mike Wrote:I hate the thought of living in an obese Big East. When will the madness stop. 16-18 teams is just too big. I still think it'll all come down to a new conference.
EAST
Louisville
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Memphis
South Florida
WEST
U Conn
Syracuse
Rutgers
ECU
Marshall
UCF
Well lucky for you, Louisville already sits in Kentucky!!
Central Florida would be an OK addition to the BE if we expand. As pointed out in the article, C Florida may have a future and, of course, they are located in Florida. A natural rival of S Florida. I would also think that Memphis has a good chance of being an expansion candidate. As of now, I wouldn't consider any other available schools if I were the decision maker, which I ain't.
army56mike Wrote:I hate the thought of living in an obese Big East. When will the madness stop. 16-18 teams is just too big. I still think it'll all come down to a new conference.
EAST
Louisville
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Memphis
South Florida
WEST
U Conn
Syracuse
Rutgers
ECU
Marshall
UCF
the thought of your hybrid makes me want to puke while the current situation only makes me uncomforable.
L-yes Wrote:army56mike Wrote:I hate the thought of living in an obese Big East. When will the madness stop. 16-18 teams is just too big. I still think it'll all come down to a new conference.
EAST
Louisville
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Memphis
South Florida
WEST
U Conn
Syracuse
Rutgers
ECU
Marshall
UCF
the thought of your hybrid makes me want to puke while the current situation only makes me uncomforable.
L-yes so funny but yet so true at the same time. If I was in charge of the Big East I would do the unthinkable first, I would contact Penn State, Maryland, and some others first. The worst they can do is tell you "no", this conference needs to be proactive and aggressively going after those schools atleast sends the message that we want to be a contender. I know thats its a pipe dream to even think Penn State would come aboard, but its also stupid not to atleast persuit Penn State. I have always been of the opinion that you are taking a risk adding a team who will need a couple of years to get up to BCS standards. That was the sole purpose of adding UofL, UC, USF. Adding more of the same teams puts you right back at square one.
I still think its silly to add teams for the sake of adding teams. Somebody in that article mentioned taking quantity of quality, man that is B.S. Give me quality all day everyday, and right now there still isn't a team out there that has had a run like UofL pre Big East. We live in a "show and prove" society and none of those teams mentioned have done that with the exception of Memphis. UCF could turn around next year and go 0 for eternity again. With all that being said, if you want quality the best team out there right now is Memphis and its really not that close. We can talk football potential until we are purple in the face. Memphis has rung up a string of bowls and yes this article pats UCF on the back but Memphis in my opinion has more resources, they have been around the block longer. Larger atheletic budget and a much better fan base. As much as I love USF we would be taking an "identical" team. We need a school that is atleast proven and if we are going to add teams for the sake of doing it, add the best overall program, that program would easily be memphis. To me taking memphis isn't that much of a gamble, atleast you know what you are getting. South Florida was a gamble, we "hope" they become a power, and I truly believe that will. UCF would be in the same boat as them, but they are still behind USF talent wise. Right now South Florida has the built in advantages and we need to stock pile them. Its hard to play catch up when you have "class" attrition. Thats why the BCS lable is so important to a schools like UofL, UC, and USF.
I think by 2010 every team in the big east will be better in some regard. UofL, USF, and UC should by then have an upgraded roster talent wise. With the upgrade in talent I think Pitt, UofL, WVU, Rutgers, USF would be loaded with talent. Maybe not as much as some of the powers in other conferences but we should be able to compete depth wise with those conferences. We need to worry about whats in the big east now and building the teams we have.
Just say NO to the Big East
Posted by GoldenKnightsFan on Thu May 25, 2006 10:25 pm
The Big East may eventually want UCF, but many of the UCF fans don't want the Big East. The geography of the BE is awful from our perspective. Why would we as fans want to head up North to freeze our rear ends off to attend away games, when there are Southern-based conferences in which the games are mostly enjoyable (yeah, I know... the hurricane delays aren't too cool). Until we can move to another Southern-based conference, I'd prefer to stay in C-USA. We play some great Southern schools with great tradition and great fans.
This says enough about how UCF travels. I saw how they traveled to Greenville last year.
Smokin Pirate Wrote:Just say NO to the Big East
Posted by GoldenKnightsFan on Thu May 25, 2006 10:25 pm
The Big East may eventually want UCF, but many of the UCF fans don't want the Big East. The geography of the BE is awful from our perspective. Why would we as fans want to head up North to freeze our rear ends off to attend away games, when there are Southern-based conferences in which the games are mostly enjoyable (yeah, I know... the hurricane delays aren't too cool). Until we can move to another Southern-based conference, I'd prefer to stay in C-USA. We play some great Southern schools with great tradition and great fans.
This says enough about how UCF travels. I saw how they traveled to Greenville last year.
When u can spend a winter weekend in cent fla... why in the heck would anyone want to go do a weekend in greenville...
To watch your football team. You see, this is the type of attitude the Big East took a chance on with USF. Fool me once....