in growth and and wins
Looking at the records Pitt and SU were able to hold there own against Penn State in 30s,40s,50 and early 60 until Joseph V Perteno arrived . Why was PSU able to dominate everyone (Pitt 75-82 were exceptions) when Perteno arrive??
Facts
SU is 4-20 against JoPa PSU
PSU-Pitt last 40 games (PSU is 31-7-2)
every eastern team seem unable to match PSU when he arrived why was that?
PusherT Wrote:in growth and and wins
Looking at the records Pitt and SU were able to hold there own against Penn State in 30s,40s,50 and early 60 until Joseph V Perteno arrived . Why was PSU able to dominate everyone (Pitt 75-82 were exceptions) when Perteno arrive??
Facts
SU is 4-20 against JoPa PSU
PSU-Pitt last 40 games (PSU is 31-7-2)
every eastern team seem unable to match PSU when he arrived why was that?
Who is Perteno?
This Joseph V Perteno must be a pretty good coach.
Quote:every eastern team seem unable to match PSU when he arrived why was that?
-- Wow that is a tough question. If you go back and loot at PSU vs SU, pitt, WVU, maryland, BC etc...The Nits just dominated. As to why, my guess would be that it would have a lot to do with the nature of eastern football. Penn St was the "state school" from one of the largest states in the east. Although Pitt has had some very very good teams more often then not PSU is going to win the recuriting battles. Next, the big states that boarder PA did not have a dominate land grant/state school. Rutgers in New Jersey really only joined the "Eastern Indys" in 1980 and was never competitive. New York does not have a state school. So, PSU became the "home school" for fans not only in PA but in NY and NJ as well. That mean a lot of kids in that part of the country grow up rooting for the Nits. And in the days before national recuriting, that was a tall order for a West Virginia or a Syracuse to put together a team with that could beat a school with that kind of recuriting influence....JIf there was a "NYU" land grant/state school D1 team.....penn St would not have been as powerfull....IMO
-- persnally...I don't think PSU is not nearly as popular in the east now as they were then...and I think that has something to do with the move to the Big 10 and not playing a lot of eastern games
* pretty sure WVU is the only team in the history of Eastern football to beat Penn St three straight times....and that happened in the 1950s
Jackson
Jackson1011 Wrote:* pretty sure WVU is the only team in the history of Eastern football to beat Penn St three straight times....and that happened in the 1950s
Jackson
I assume you are referring to 1950 and forward. And it was 1955 when Syracuse joined the Pitt, PSU, and WVU (virtually) annual game indy schedule. BC didn't join in the fun until the 70s (and it still wasn't all teams in all years) and then the 80s hit with Rutgers and Temple joining in as well.
For the record, Syracuse beat PSU three straight times in 58,59, and 60 and then they beat them four straight times in 63,64,65,66.
BC has a current 3 game winning streak of 92, 03, and 04.
Cheers,
Neil
Jackson1011 Wrote:Quote:every eastern team seem unable to match PSU when he arrived why was that?
-- Wow that is a tough question. If you go back and loot at PSU vs SU, pitt, WVU, maryland, BC etc...The Nits just dominated. As to why, my guess would be that it would have a lot to do with the nature of eastern football. Penn St was the "state school" from one of the largest states in the east. Although Pitt has had some very very good teams more often then not PSU is going to win the recuriting battles. Next, the big states that boarder PA did not have a dominate land grant/state school. Rutgers in New Jersey really only joined the "Eastern Indys" in 1980 and was never competitive. New York does not have a state school. So, PSU became the "home school" for fans not only in PA but in NY and NJ as well. That mean a lot of kids in that part of the country grow up rooting for the Nits. And in the days before national recuriting, that was a tall order for a West Virginia or a Syracuse to put together a team with that could beat a school with that kind of recuriting influence....JIf there was a "NYU" land grant/state school D1 team.....penn St would not have been as powerfull....IMO
-- persnally...I don't think PSU is not nearly as popular in the east now as they were then...and I think that has something to do with the move to the Big 10 and not playing a lot of eastern games
* pretty sure WVU is the only team in the history of Eastern football to beat Penn St three straight times....and that happened in the 1950s
Jackson
Pitt beat them 14 straight between 1922-38. Pitt was a private university until 1967 so they and Syracuse lacked the resources that a huge state school like PSU enjoyed. Pitt's problem since the early 80's is that the administration ran hot and cold on support for the program. Fortunately since the arrival of Mark Nordenberg the school has been very supportive of both FB and BB (both M&W).
Shannon Panther Wrote:Jackson1011 Wrote:Quote:every eastern team seem unable to match PSU when he arrived why was that?
-- Wow that is a tough question. If you go back and loot at PSU vs SU, pitt, WVU, maryland, BC etc...The Nits just dominated. As to why, my guess would be that it would have a lot to do with the nature of eastern football. Penn St was the "state school" from one of the largest states in the east. Although Pitt has had some very very good teams more often then not PSU is going to win the recuriting battles. Next, the big states that boarder PA did not have a dominate land grant/state school. Rutgers in New Jersey really only joined the "Eastern Indys" in 1980 and was never competitive. New York does not have a state school. So, PSU became the "home school" for fans not only in PA but in NY and NJ as well. That mean a lot of kids in that part of the country grow up rooting for the Nits. And in the days before national recuriting, that was a tall order for a West Virginia or a Syracuse to put together a team with that could beat a school with that kind of recuriting influence....JIf there was a "NYU" land grant/state school D1 team.....penn St would not have been as powerfull....IMO
-- persnally...I don't think PSU is not nearly as popular in the east now as they were then...and I think that has something to do with the move to the Big 10 and not playing a lot of eastern games
* pretty sure WVU is the only team in the history of Eastern football to beat Penn St three straight times....and that happened in the 1950s
Jackson
Pitt beat them 14 straight between 1922-38. Pitt was a private university until 1967 so they and Syracuse lacked the resources that a huge state school like PSU enjoyed. Pitt's problem since the early 80's is that the administration ran hot and cold on support for the program. Fortunately since the arrival of Mark Nordenberg the school has been very supportive of both FB and BB (both M&W).
He was talking about since Paterno arrived.
3601 Wrote:Shannon Panther Wrote:Jackson1011 Wrote:Quote:every eastern team seem unable to match PSU when he arrived why was that?
-- Wow that is a tough question. If you go back and loot at PSU vs SU, pitt, WVU, maryland, BC etc...The Nits just dominated. As to why, my guess would be that it would have a lot to do with the nature of eastern football. Penn St was the "state school" from one of the largest states in the east. Although Pitt has had some very very good teams more often then not PSU is going to win the recuriting battles. Next, the big states that boarder PA did not have a dominate land grant/state school. Rutgers in New Jersey really only joined the "Eastern Indys" in 1980 and was never competitive. New York does not have a state school. So, PSU became the "home school" for fans not only in PA but in NY and NJ as well. That mean a lot of kids in that part of the country grow up rooting for the Nits. And in the days before national recuriting, that was a tall order for a West Virginia or a Syracuse to put together a team with that could beat a school with that kind of recuriting influence....JIf there was a "NYU" land grant/state school D1 team.....penn St would not have been as powerfull....IMO
-- persnally...I don't think PSU is not nearly as popular in the east now as they were then...and I think that has something to do with the move to the Big 10 and not playing a lot of eastern games
* pretty sure WVU is the only team in the history of Eastern football to beat Penn St three straight times....and that happened in the 1950s
Jackson
Pitt beat them 14 straight between 1922-38. Pitt was a private university until 1967 so they and Syracuse lacked the resources that a huge state school like PSU enjoyed. Pitt's problem since the early 80's is that the administration ran hot and cold on support for the program. Fortunately since the arrival of Mark Nordenberg the school has been very supportive of both FB and BB (both M&W).
He was talking about since Paterno arrived.
No, he couldn't have been referring to just the Paterno era, since JoePa didn't start coaching at PSU until 1966 and the three-in-a-row WVU beat Penn State was in the early to mid 50s.
Cheers,
Neil
Quote:For the record, Syracuse beat PSU three straight times in 58,59, and 60 and then they beat them four straight times in 63,64,65,66.
-- I stand corrected......but the point remains the same....Penn St is the state school of PA.....and has always had state school like influence in parts of NY and all of NJ....that gave them a huge advantage in recruiting
--anyone have any idea what the Army/Penn St series looks like? Army was a football power back in the day.
Jackson
Jackson1011 Wrote:Quote:For the record, Syracuse beat PSU three straight times in 58,59, and 60 and then they beat them four straight times in 63,64,65,66.
-- I stand corrected......but the point remains the same....Penn St is the state school of PA.....and has always had state school like influence in parts of NY and all of NJ....that gave them a huge advantage in recruiting
--anyone have any idea what the Army/Penn St series looks like? Army was a football power back in the day.
Jackson
PSU leads 13-10-2. As you can imagine, Army dominated early in the series, but PSU has won 10 of the past 11 (including the last 9 in a row) dating back to 1963. Here's the list...
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...eamid=2514
Beside Pitt teams in the 75-83 period Paterno PSU team have really had there way
A shame State University of NJ (Rutgers) wasn't able to match PSU in the 702,80s, 90s as Rutgers is just as big (Funny to think smaller schools like Pitt/BC/SU were able beat RU so much)
Jackie Sherrill left to TA&M, the administration wasn't as supportive towards athletics, higher requirements for athletes than the NCAA mandated, student and fan apathy, etc. Pitts slide started in the mid 80s and couldn't get out until about 2000.
If you want more about this goto the Pitt Scout site and ask the poster 'OnAltoonaGoPitt' and he will give you lots of info.