BYU's choice to be independent vs MWC seems to be paying off .
They have a better schedule and the MWC is terrible this year .
The P5 G5 crap and future split are not factors no one knows what will happen.
I think they will make their way back into another conference here in the relatively near future but yes, leaving the Mountain West was a good move for them at the time.
If they were in the MWC, they could be this year's Fresno State. The BCS buster.
Plus they could now get the same TV deal as Boise St if it went back to the MWC.
What do they get now as an independent? So they get to play Utah, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin, and Boise? They would play Utah and Boise anyway. They could still play Texas too. So if they are in MWC, they trade Fresno and SDSU instead of Virginia and Wisconsin. That's about the only difference in schedules.
(10-27-2013 12:55 PM)goofus Wrote: [ -> ]If they were in the MWC, they could be this year's Fresno State. The BCS buster.
Plus they could now get the same TV deal as Boise St if it went back to the MWC.
What do they get now as an independent? So they get to play Utah, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin, and Boise? They would play Utah and Boise anyway. They could still play Texas too. So if they are in MWC, they trade Fresno and SDSU instead of Virginia and Wisconsin. That's about the only difference in schedules.
they get to play utah st.
utah is in the pac
(10-27-2013 12:59 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2013 12:55 PM)goofus Wrote: [ -> ]If they were in the MWC, they could be this year's Fresno State. The BCS buster.
Plus they could now get the same TV deal as Boise St if it went back to the MWC.
What do they get now as an independent? So they get to play Utah, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin, and Boise? They would play Utah and Boise anyway. They could still play Texas too. So if they are in MWC, they trade Fresno and SDSU instead of Virginia and Wisconsin. That's about the only difference in schedules.
they get to play utah st.
utah is in the pac
I know that. All I am saying is that in 2013 BYU would have played Utah, whether BYU was in the MWC or not.
(10-27-2013 10:42 AM)MJG Wrote: [ -> ]BYU's choice to be independent vs MWC seems to be paying off .
They have a better schedule and the MWC is terrible this year .
The P5 G5 crap and future split are not factors no one knows what will happen.
I agree.
With that Independent schedule its going to help BYU in recruiting more than staying in the MWC.
The MWC is basically now the WAC plus UNLV, UNM, WYO, CSU and AFA all of which are struggling football programs. History says Utah State won't be strong for too long either.
(10-27-2013 01:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2013 10:42 AM)MJG Wrote: [ -> ]BYU's choice to be independent vs MWC seems to be paying off .
They have a better schedule and the MWC is terrible this year .
The P5 G5 crap and future split are not factors no one knows what will happen.
I agree.
With that Independent schedule its going to help BYU in recruiting more than staying in the MWC.
The MWC is basically now the WAC plus UNLV, UNM, WYO, CSU and AFA all of which are struggling football programs. History says Utah State won't be strong for too long either.
Not only that, but with the committee deciding to take strength of schedule into account, it gives BYU the chance to control their destiny somehow.
I can see why BYU would want to be independent from the MWC due to it's bottom end but if the opportunity arises for them to be in a division of five western teams in a 20 team AAC that is in the upper Division then I don't see them remaining Indie.
(10-27-2013 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]I can see why BYU would want to be independent from the MWC due to it's bottom end but if the opportunity arises for them to be in a division of five western teams in a 20 team AAC that is in the upper Division then I don't see them remaining Indie.
I can fore see this:
1) UConn
2) Temple
3) Navy
4) Cincinnati
5) East Carolina
6) Central Florida
7) South Florida
8) Memphis
1) Tulane
2) SMU
3) Houston
4) Tulsa
5) BYU
6) Boise
7) Fresno
8) SDSU or AFA
However, it will take BYU to make it happen. And of course if the Big 12 goes back to 12 or even 14 this is dead in its tracks. B12 could take BYU, Cincinnati and UCF by next year. Also. it would not surprise me to see UConn and Kansas to the Big.
(10-27-2013 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]I can see why BYU would want to be independent from the MWC due to it's bottom end but if the opportunity arises for them to be in a division of five western teams in a 20 team AAC that is in the upper Division then I don't see them remaining Indie.
Agreed, and this is exactly what I think we'll see happening at some point in the near future.
(10-27-2013 12:55 PM)goofus Wrote: [ -> ]If they were in the MWC, they could be this year's Fresno State. The BCS buster.
Plus they could now get the same TV deal as Boise St if it went back to the MWC.
What do they get now as an independent? So they get to play Utah, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin, and Boise? They would play Utah and Boise anyway. They could still play Texas too. So if they are in MWC, they trade Fresno and SDSU instead of Virginia and Wisconsin. That's about the only difference in schedules.
BYU's football schedule is better than an MWC schedule. Their TV exposure is better, too.
WCC basketball is not as strong as MWC hoops, but BYU likes the WCC because they like the branding of being in a league of other private, church-affiliated schools. (All WCC schools other than new member Pacific are church-affiliated in some way.)
Sure, BYU could be the BCS buster if they were undefeated (they're not) and in the MWC this year, because BYU looks like a better team than Fresno State -- but for PR purposes and relations with their own fans and boosters, there was no way BYU could stay in the MWC while Utah moved into the Pac-12.
The best move for BYU athletics would have been to make a deal with the Big 12 when they had the chance, and they would have been an excellent addition there.
(10-27-2013 02:11 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2013 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]I can see why BYU would want to be independent from the MWC due to it's bottom end but if the opportunity arises for them to be in a division of five western teams in a 20 team AAC that is in the upper Division then I don't see them remaining Indie.
I can fore see this:
1) UConn
2) Temple
3) Navy
4) Cincinnati
5) East Carolina
6) Central Florida
7) South Florida
8) Memphis
1) Tulane
2) SMU
3) Houston
4) Tulsa
5) BYU
6) Boise
7) Fresno
8) SDSU or AFA
However, it will take BYU to make it happen. And of course if the Big 12 goes back to 12 or even 14 this is dead in its tracks. B12 could take BYU, Cincinnati and UCF by next year. Also. it would not surprise me to see UConn and Kansas to the Big.
Where is Southern Miss Wilkie? You always used to find room for So.Miss.
They pretty much suck right now and are in a bad TV market, they are the weakest link, goodbye!
(10-27-2013 02:11 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2013 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]I can see why BYU would want to be independent from the MWC due to it's bottom end but if the opportunity arises for them to be in a division of five western teams in a 20 team AAC that is in the upper Division then I don't see them remaining Indie.
I can fore see this:
1) UConn
2) Temple
3) Navy
4) Cincinnati
5) East Carolina
6) Central Florida
7) South Florida
8) Memphis
1) Tulane
2) SMU
3) Houston
4) Tulsa
5) BYU
6) Boise
7) Fresno
8) SDSU or AFA
However, it will take BYU to make it happen. And of course if the Big 12 goes back to 12 or even 14 this is dead in its tracks. B12 could take BYU, Cincinnati and UCF by next year. Also. it would not surprise me to see UConn and Kansas to the Big.
I was thinking something more along the lines of
UConn
Cincinnati
Temple
Navy (or someone else if the Academies don't move up)
Buffalo
UCF
USF
ECU
Memphis
Southern Miss
Houston (unless they move up)
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
UTEP
Arkansas State or Louisiana if Houston moves up
Boise
Fresno
SDSU
BYU
New Mexico
Twenty teams will actually allow for more regionalization and less travel.
There are PRO's and CON's to BYU's schedule
PRO
Independence did get 4 extra games against P5 teams in 2013 (6 total). A MWC schedule would only get about 2 P5 teams each year.
6 Games against P5 (3 home, 3 away)
@Virginia, Texas, Utah, , Georgia Tech, @Wisconsin, @Notre Dame,
6 Games against G5 (3 home, 3 away)
Middle Tenn, @Utah State, @Houston, @Nevada, Boise St, Idaho St.
CON
but the annual Utah game is going away. Many P5 series will require 2 for 1 agreements. This has long term issues that will catch up to BYU.
Con
The only home game they have in the last 6 weeks is Idaho State.
Remaining games
@Wisconsin , Idaho State, @Notre Dame , @Nevada
If the old Big East had stayed together, I think that would have been a better place for BYU, but that ship has sailed:
Big East Football West:
BYU*
San Diego State*
Boise State*
TCU
Louisville
Cincinnati
Big East Football East:
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Rutgers
Syracuse
Connecticut
South Florida
At that point it may be a toss up which one of the MWC or WAC survives. I think one of the big mistakes was the Big East not requiring all of the western football-only members to join the same conference - even if the MWC had reduced WAC football to zero, the WAC could have added those four with Seattle, Denver, and Texas-Arlington. Even with the defections, the Big East would have been pretty strong this year in football
Big East Football West (*football only):
BYU*
San Diego State*
Boise State*
Fresno State*
SMU
Houston
Big East Football East:
Louisville
Cincinnati
Rutgers
Connecticut
Central Florida
South Florida
The real question is if everyone would have stayed for the next incarnation, when Louisville and Rutgers become Temple and Memphis.
(10-27-2013 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]I can see why BYU would want to be independent from the MWC due to it's bottom end but if the opportunity arises for them to be in a division of five western teams in a 20 team AAC that is in the upper Division then I don't see them remaining Indie.
Why would they want to give up independence to be in the AAC you describe?
They will be included in any "D4" as an independent.
(10-27-2013 05:06 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2013 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]I can see why BYU would want to be independent from the MWC due to it's bottom end but if the opportunity arises for them to be in a division of five western teams in a 20 team AAC that is in the upper Division then I don't see them remaining Indie.
Why would they want to give up independence to be in the AAC you describe?
They will be included in any "D4" as an independent.
Because they might like easier access to the BCS, easier access to multiple bowls, and they may not want to be on the road for the last month of every season. They could play an AAC schedule and still play 4 top level AQ's if they like. Frankly, I think it will come down to how the new D-4 is set up. They might prefer independence or prefer a conference depending on the way D4 is designed.
(10-27-2013 05:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]they may not want to be on the road for the last month of every season.
That's not so much of a concern for them. They have only one home game in November this year, but they have three in November next year.