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Quote:The most important thing [Corrigan] did was successfully out-recruit the Southeastern Conference for Florida State — giving the conference a true football power and an almost guaranteed spot in a major bowl game and the national spotlight every year.

There was just one problem: No one in Corrigan’s ACC could compete with Bobby Bowden’s team. During the Seminoles’ first nine years in the conference, they went 70-2 (that’s not a typo) in ACC play. In those days it was said that the ACC consisted of Florida State, the seven dwarfs and Duke — which aspired to be a dwarf. Corrigan’s theory — or hope — was that a rising tide lifts all boats. Instead, Florida State got caught in the ACC’s down-draft and slid to the mediocre level of everyone else.

Now? Welcome back to Florida State and, well, the 13 dwarfs — Duke having finally reached dwarfdom under Coach David Cutcliffe.

Made me laugh. Figured some on here might have something to say.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/col...story.html

I think that's true. Frankly, there's no argument to be had as FSU is pretty clearly head and shoulders above everyone else in the league. Hopefully, for the league's sake, Miami can similarly get back to being the vaunted "U" just as Florida State has done in getting back to "FSU" of year's past.

Frankly, on a lot of levels the resurgence of Miami is even more important to the ACC's long term future than FSU's resurgence has been as the "U" has the most impressive resume of any ACC school. Having the two of them strong at the same time would be a real boon for the league in the same way a strong Ohio State and Michigan are for the Big Ten.

Seems an odd year to make that argument.

The ACC is far stronger as a football conference now than it was in the 90's. I think it's more appropriate to say that FSU is a Greek Titan among a few giants and numerous dwarves.

That is absolutely ridiculous. Is the SEC Alabama and nobody else because Alabama wins every year? It just goes to show there are people in the media who will trash the ACC for anything. If the game would have been close, you'd have some reporters saying the ACC isn't good because no one has separated themselves from the pack. Clemson is absolutely a top 10 team, they just had a bad day and FSU is an elite team.

This is a few weeks out of date but it is absurd that anyone would refer to VT as part of any group of dwarfs.

Y'all should really recognize "Smack Talk" when you see it :)

"The case can be made that the top four teams in this year’s ACC might compete with the top four in the SEC. But five through 12?"

Alabama has dominated the SEC for 4 years now. The Tide has won 3 of the last 4 BCS National Championships, and the 1 they didn't win stayed in the state of Alabama too. Does that mean the SEC is "Bama and the 13 dwarves?" Of course not. The author of that article (in the very Pro-Maryland Terps Washington Post, I might add) is trolling, plain & simple.

Yeah, this can be ignored. This is one predictable response, but it doesn't matter. There's a pretty legitimate chance there will be four 10-win teams in the ACC this year if nobody out and out collapses. That only happened, like ZERO times back in the old days of FSU dominance.

This year the ACC is far stronger than it has been the last few years as I could see the top 4 compete with the best in the sec which hasn't been the case lately

(10-21-2013 01:10 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ]This is a few weeks out of date but it is absurd that anyone would refer to VT as part of any group of dwarfs.

If you read the timeframe, a 70-2 ACC record would be for a nine year period from when FSU started in the ACC, probably going from 1991-99. Essentially this was prior to the ACC expansion, or the time when FSU crashed back to the pack.

(10-21-2013 04:49 PM)adcorbett Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-21-2013 01:10 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ]This is a few weeks out of date but it is absurd that anyone would refer to VT as part of any group of dwarfs.

If you read the timeframe, a 70-2 ACC record would be for a nine year period from when FSU started in the ACC, probably going from 1991-99. Essentially this was prior to the ACC expansion, or the time when FSU crashed back to the pack.

I know the author was cherry picking time frames. I think it should be known that FSU isn't too much taller than the "dwarfs" of late. They are having a good year but let's not pretend they are running through the ACC like they did in the 90's.

(10-21-2013 01:50 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote: [ -> ]Y'all should really recognize "Smack Talk" when you see it :)

Spot on!

Somebody has been drinking the kool aid. Just remember FSU fans ... we'll be there to greet you on the way down after Winston is gone. Elite QBs mask even the most incompetent and systemic problems. See: Newton, Cam.

(10-22-2013 06:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]Somebody has been drinking the kool aid. Just remember FSU fans ... we'll be there to greet you on the way down after Winston is gone. Elite QBs mask even the most incompetent and systemic problems. See: Newton, Cam.

He wasn't playing last year when FSU won the ACC....

No one player makes Florida State. They are on the upswing as a whole.

(10-22-2013 06:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]Somebody has been drinking the kool aid. Just remember FSU fans ... we'll be there to greet you on the way down after Winston is gone. Elite QBs mask even the most incompetent and systemic problems. See: Newton, Cam.

One player does not make a program!

(10-21-2013 01:50 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote: [ -> ]Y'all should really recognize "Smack Talk" when you see it :)

Exactly... the OP is the board's biggest troll and everyone took his flame and ran with it.

(10-22-2013 06:42 AM)Ragu Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2013 06:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]Somebody has been drinking the kool aid. Just remember FSU fans ... we'll be there to greet you on the way down after Winston is gone. Elite QBs mask even the most incompetent and systemic problems. See: Newton, Cam.

He wasn't playing last year when FSU won the ACC....

No one player makes Florida State. They are on the upswing as a whole.

And FSU only just won it. They needed a late pick to seal the deal against a .500 GT squad. VT had its worst season in over a decade. The conference was the most crap, especially at the top, it has ever been since VT-Miami-BC came over. Your empire last year was one of dirt.

(10-22-2013 11:12 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2013 06:42 AM)Ragu Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-22-2013 06:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]Somebody has been drinking the kool aid. Just remember FSU fans ... we'll be there to greet you on the way down after Winston is gone. Elite QBs mask even the most incompetent and systemic problems. See: Newton, Cam.

He wasn't playing last year when FSU won the ACC....

No one player makes Florida State. They are on the upswing as a whole.

And FSU only just won it. They needed a late pick to seal the deal against a .500 GT squad. VT had its worst season in over a decade. The conference was the most crap, especially at the top, it has ever been since VT-Miami-BC came over. Your empire last year was one of dirt.

Well that's a GT slanted viewpoint right there to say the least. FSU won that game and I was never scared about them losing it.

Clemson was not a terrible team last year just like they aren't terrible this year. FSU's recruiting has been much improved since Fisher came in and the staff (see DC Pruitt) has been absolutely great this year.

If they aren't on the upswing, then no team is on the upswing in the ACC. I will take their situation over anyone else in this conference and it isn't even close.

(10-22-2013 06:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]Somebody has been drinking the kool aid. Just remember FSU fans ... we'll be there to greet you on the way down after Winston is gone. Elite QBs mask even the most incompetent and systemic problems. See: Newton, Cam.

WTF are you talking about? That's some journalist from outside Florida making those claims, not FSU fans. Don't be so bottom-sore.

Let's see. Since Fisher's taken over as head coach he's had to now replace TWO first round quarterbacks. He had to replace SEVEN assistant coaches last year. And he had to do it all while FSU was at its worst level in 3 decades and in the midst of the drama and turmoil over replacing its longtime, legendary coach. In his 3+ seasons, all he's managed to do is make 2 out of 3 ACC CG's and looking at 3 out of 4, go 23-7 against ACC opponents (7-2 against CU, UM, VT) and looking at 28-7 (9-2) if he runs the table this year. For comparison's sake, FSU went 16-16 (4-6) in the 4 seasons prior to Fisher becoming head coach. That's a pretty stark improvement. And those are undeniable facts. I think FSU's currently at a place where it can withstand the loss of Winston in 1-3 years without dropping to the mediocre levels of the majority of the conference, even if there is a slight downturn.

And are you suggesting there are glaring incompetence and systemic problems at FSU? Because I'd venture to say the infrastructure at FSU is superior to every other ACC football program. That's not to say there aren't things that can be improved upon or that Fisher is infallible.