(09-21-2013 08:34 PM)Cr8n Wrote: [ -> ]Phew. Unreal. Wilder got lucky with the first 2 but that 3rd onside was an awful call. If you were in 102 you heard my dissatisfaction with that call.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
Defense couldn't stop Citadel. Defense did not make ONE stop all night. Not one stop. The only two series Citadel did not score was when they fumbled. So I applaud Wilder for going for it. Citadel scored on that possession and they would have scored if they started from the 1, 5, 10 ,20, 30 or the 50 yard line. Try anything just to keep your Defense off the field. If I was Wilder I would have on-side kicked every possession.
I wonder if Wilder will pull a Mack Brown and fire the D Coordinator immediately after this game. I am sure he wont but it is deserving.
It's almost as painful to watch our Football defense as it was watching the last couple of years of Taylor's Basketball offense.
I am more concerned than I have
ever been about our defense.
This Citadel team is mediocre to poor by SoCon and even Citadel standards. This Citadel team has been able to generate little or no offense (except against us).
This team lost to mediocre Charleston Southern,
This team lost to a Wofford team that barely beat Gardner Webb 3-0!!!
This team barely beat a very poor Western Carolina.
IMHO our defense has moved backwards.
Look, we played well considering our experience level against top 25 Triple Option Cal Poly in 2010.
We played extremely well vs a juggernaut Georgia Southern in the playoff at Statesboro. Make no mistake, they were one of the three best FCS teams in the Nation, and gave #1 Alabama all they wanted that year.
Last year we played a Georgia Southern team at home, that quite frankly was not nearly as good as the one in 2011, and yet we essentially got clobbered in the 4th quarter.
UMD may be the real deal.
ECU shredded our defense, and I am not sure that their offense is all that good.
Scoring aside,
Howard gained 465 yards on us!
We had a better defense in 2011.
2012 and 2013 honestly have been non scholly Pioneer caliber disasters.
What happened in between those years that would have made a difference? We change dc? Bad coaching tech?
We are going to get it all over the field next year. Coach's 3 os kicks showed that his confidence wasn't 100%. And I think that said volumes.
Our defensive line has been dominated in every game this year. This is the reason that our leading tacklers on the team are linebackers and safeties. You can't stop the triple option without the defensive line winning the line of scrimmage. Not having Nate Barnes last night didn't help our situation last night.
Our D was better last year. Can you imagine what Georgia Southern would do to us this year?
(09-22-2013 12:08 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]I am more concerned than I have ever been about our defense.
This Citadel team is mediocre to poor by SoCon and even Citadel standards. This Citadel team has been able to generate little or no offense (except against us).
This team lost to mediocre Charleston Southern,
This team lost to a Wofford team that barely beat Gardner Webb 3-0!!!
This team barely beat a very poor Western Carolina.
IMHO our defense has moved backwards.
Look, we played well considering our experience level against top 25 Triple Option Cal Poly in 2010.
We played extremely well vs a juggernaut Georgia Southern in the playoff at Statesboro. Make no mistake, they were one of the three best FCS teams in the Nation, and gave #1 Alabama all they wanted that year.
Last year we played a Georgia Southern team at home, that quite frankly was not nearly as good as the one in 2011, and yet we essentially got clobbered in the 4th quarter.
UMD may be the real deal.
ECU shredded our defense, and I am not sure that their offense is all that good.
Scoring aside, Howard gained 465 yards on us!
We had a better defense in 2011.
2012 and 2013 honestly have been non scholly Pioneer caliber disasters.
Wofford lost to GW
You can hire a new coach, you can try new defensive alignments, you can try all the philosopical changes you want, but if you can't tackle.....NOTHING WILL WORK! Our Defensive line and linebackers don't know how to tackle, its that simple. The only other explanation is that they are not that physical and get blocked out of the lane and all they can do is reach for the ball carrier as he goes by, thus leading to their continual "arm tackling" attempts. Whatever, the end results are always going to be the same. I think its past time, but BW needs to start working on basics in practice....tackling. Forget 4-3's or 3-4's, neither will work if you can't tackle!
(09-22-2013 06:45 AM)gilla Wrote: [ -> ]The hero: http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=208409142
Reggie saved the game!
People in my section had just about left when we were up by 2 touchdowns in the 4th. Our D lacks a leader on the field. The D line just looked like a broken unit once the game rolled on into 4th. Not sure it was coaching, they just looked tired and unconfident.
Remember we are playing without Nate Barnes ," Out for a while" and Galen Evans,"Out till his hand heals" Both are our best defensive linemen and we are still thin at that position.
(09-22-2013 06:20 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote: [ -> ]Our D was better last year. Can you imagine what Georgia Southern would do to us this year?
Georgia Southern is not the team they were last year.........they lost last week Wofford 30, Georgia Southern 20 and Wofford lost yesterday to Gardner-Webb 3, Wofford 0
(09-22-2013 06:47 AM)Justanodufan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2013 12:08 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]I am more concerned than I have ever been about our defense.
This Citadel team is mediocre to poor by SoCon and even Citadel standards. This Citadel team has been able to generate little or no offense (except against us).
This team lost to mediocre Charleston Southern,
This team lost to a Wofford team that barely beat Gardner Webb 3-0!!!
This team barely beat a very poor Western Carolina.
IMHO our defense has moved backwards.
Look, we played well considering our experience level against top 25 Triple Option Cal Poly in 2010.
We played extremely well vs a juggernaut Georgia Southern in the playoff at Statesboro. Make no mistake, they were one of the three best FCS teams in the Nation, and gave #1 Alabama all they wanted that year.
Last year we played a Georgia Southern team at home, that quite frankly was not nearly as good as the one in 2011, and yet we essentially got clobbered in the 4th quarter.
UMD may be the real deal.
ECU shredded our defense, and I am not sure that their offense is all that good.
Scoring aside, Howard gained 465 yards on us!
We had a better defense in 2011.
2012 and 2013 honestly have been non scholly Pioneer caliber disasters.
Wofford lost to GW
Even worse, (ESPN bad data, fixed today) much worse.
Although GW did beat UR.
Bottom line; our D is worse now than in 2011, (maybe 2010 as well) when it was arguably pure "Swiss Cheese".
Even recruiting at a "higher" level, Ronnie Cameron and Craig Wilkins have not (even close) been adequately replaced, so our personnel are worse.
It is never easy to replace stars like Cameron and Wilkins. However, you have to raise the level of the other players to compensate.
IMHO so much of this is personnel.
It's all personnel. The only difference between being our team that wins games and Georgia State is Taylor Heinicke. If we don't adequately replace him, we are going to see this football team fall just as fast as the basketball team fell. I know we have some promising recruits at the position, but I doubt we will be able to count on the next QB to score 50+ points to win. The question is why are our defensive recruits lacking?
(09-22-2013 11:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]It's all personnel. The only difference between being our team that wins games and Georgia State is Taylor Heinicke. If we don't adequately replace him, we are going to see this football team fall just as fast as the basketball team fell. I know we have some promising recruits at the position, but I doubt we will be able to count on the next QB to score 50+ points to win. The question is why are our defensive recruits lacking?
New program. Takes time.
(09-22-2013 11:47 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2013 11:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]It's all personnel. The only difference between being our team that wins games and Georgia State is Taylor Heinicke. If we don't adequately replace him, we are going to see this football team fall just as fast as the basketball team fell. I know we have some promising recruits at the position, but I doubt we will be able to count on the next QB to score 50+ points to win. The question is why are our defensive recruits lacking?
New program. Takes time.
I thought that way until last night. We have actually regressed.
While I think much of our size, strength, and speed are a result of personnel, we still have fundamentals problems too; like tackling and gap coverage.
Fundamentals skills can be taught, and we should be teaching them when needed. (we don't seem to be doing that)
However, at this level and this point in the evolution of our program, it could be argued that we should not have to.
We were apparently lucky(?) with players like Cameron and Wilkins, just as we were with TH.
At this point and time luck should not enter into it.
This by EverRespect
Quote:I know we have some promising recruits at the position, but I doubt we will be able to count on the next QB to score 50+ points to win. The question is why are our defensive recruits lacking?
is the pertinent question of the day.
I think there are several factors at play with the problems on Defense. Part of the Defense's problem is the Offense. The Offense is so fast and efficient, it leaves an already compromised Defense on the field for a very long time. The Defense stays out on drives of sometimes 6-8 minutes, then Taylor Heinicke and company come in and throw a 76 yard TD from scrimmage. 11 seconds and the Defense is back to work. When the Offense scores as many times as ODU does (except at Maryland), that means the other team has the ball a lot of times, as opposed to when an Offense makes long, slow drives that limit the number of times the other team has the ball. It is, also, difficult to recruit top defensive players to play on a Defense that is known as being bad. There have been no problems recruiting offensive players to come play for the top Offense in the country. Another factor, I believe, is the amount of turnover and lack of continuity in the Defensive Coaching Staff. Recruits want to build a relationship with their Coach and know that is who they are going to be playing for. It is a tough sell for a Defensive Coach to go sell his program when not only does the kid and his family know the Defense is historically bad, but that coach may not even be there when the kid gets there.
The defense will be fine, give them time. They are developing two defenses right now of nearly entirely underclassmen and a new coordinator, as long as they are ready for CUSA next year, we will be just fine.
I'm more concerned about how the O will translate to a full FBS slate.
I think coach nagy is in a tough place. We have had no long term coaches for defense. So what is the answer? Fire the coach after one season and continue the issue or give it time to improve? If he had to start from scratch then time is the answer. If he has to reload the time is the answer.
Schools are always in four or five year cycles for sports. It takes many years to reload for a consistant level.
Teach basics. The guys look bigger aand healthier this year. Some of the space on the field is from our guys just being little. A guy who is 250 running back vs 190 line..size is gonna win.
This is the first of transition. We are ahead of schedule. The fans are thinking fbs. The size of our guys is still fcs. The mind set behind the sport is still fcs. The coaches and fans moved to fbs. Now we have to wait for our guys to make tthe same move.
(09-22-2013 01:29 PM)workingodu Wrote: [ -> ]I think coach nagy is in a tough place. We have had no long term coaches for defense. So what is the answer? Fire the coach after one season and continue the issue or give it time to improve? If he had to start from scratch then time is the answer. If he has to reload the time is the answer.
Schools are always in four or five year cycles for sports. It takes many years to reload for a consistant level.
Teach basics. The guys look bigger aand healthier this year. Some of the space on the field is from our guys just being little. A guy who is 250 running back vs 190 line..size is gonna win.
This is the first of transition. We are ahead of schedule. The fans are thinking fbs. The size of our guys is still fcs. The mind set behind the sport is still fcs. The coaches and fans moved to fbs. Now we have to wait for our guys to make tthe same move.
I disagree; to the extent that during the second and third years of our existence (2010 and certainly 2011) our defense, IMO, was better than it is right now.
(09-22-2013 01:38 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-22-2013 01:29 PM)workingodu Wrote: [ -> ]I think coach nagy is in a tough place. We have had no long term coaches for defense. So what is the answer? Fire the coach after one season and continue the issue or give it time to improve? If he had to start from scratch then time is the answer. If he has to reload the time is the answer.
Schools are always in four or five year cycles for sports. It takes many years to reload for a consistant level.
Teach basics. The guys look bigger aand healthier this year. Some of the space on the field is from our guys just being little. A guy who is 250 running back vs 190 line..size is gonna win.
This is the first of transition. We are ahead of schedule. The fans are thinking fbs. The size of our guys is still fcs. The mind set behind the sport is still fcs. The coaches and fans moved to fbs. Now we have to wait for our guys to make tthe same move.
I disagree; to the extent that during the second and third years of our existence (2010 and certainly 2011) our defense, IMO, was better than it is right now.
Working was saying that the fans are ahead of schedule, not the defense. Don't feel bad though, I got my decoder ring in the mail yesterday.