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(09-24-2013 03:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Craig Ong.

OK, you think Ong was good enough to force W&M to the air, go toe to toe with GaSo and work miracles vs UNH.

I honestly don't know. I never saw enough of him to answer truthfully.
Wasn't his name Nate?

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Again, it is unrealistic and unfair to expect anyone to put up these kind of numbers. This is why the defense needs to improve if we are going to be competitive after TH. This is not a knock on McCarley/Bentley either. If they are very good and can put up 200-300 passing yards and 20-30 points per game, that won't be good enough to be in games. That was my point from the beginning.

(09-24-2013 03:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Again, it is unrealistic and unfair to expect anyone to put up these kind of numbers. This is why the defense needs to improve if we are going to be competitive after TH. This is not a knock on McCarley/Bentley either. If they are very good and can put up 200-300 passing yards and 20-30 points per game, that won't be good enough to be in games. That was my point from the beginning.

No argument here

Im thinking as long as we have Bobby Wilder/ Ron Whitcomb and Brian Scott at ODU we will have fantastic quarterbacks.

And do you really want to throw McCarley out on the field as a RS Sophomore and tell him if he doesn't engineer 50 points, we are going to run him out of town? That would be like asking Jeff'ing Jones to coach us to a Final Four run this year.

As good as Heinicke has been, I don't know that you can say that we will never be able to replace him. You have to realize that by 2015 we will (hopefully)have a better O line and better receivers.

(09-24-2013 03:50 PM)odu83alumni Wrote: [ -> ]Im thinking as long as we have Bobby Wilder/ Ron Whitcomb and Brian Scott at ODU we will have fantastic quarterbacks.

There are a lot of successful teams out there that don't have a Bobby Wilder or a Taylor Heinicke. Football is the number 1 sport in America. There will be generations of talent for ODU to choose from long after these men have moved on.

Of course, but he was suggesting that they know how to find excellent quarterbacks.

(09-24-2013 07:42 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote: [ -> ]I think what we all have to keep in mind is that this is a transition year. Every coach sets goals for his team each year. As in business, these goals must be challenging, while also being obtainable.

For most FCS teams with reasonable quality athletes and in normal years, these goals would be winning the conference and making the playoffs, achieving a first round bye, etc. For an FBS team, it is winning the conference, getting a bowl game, etc. For a team in transition, those goals are not available. ODU cannot win CAA or C-USA, make the playoffs or go to the Liberty Bowl.

So what kind of goals do you set? I have no special insight or inside knowledge, but it appears to me that one of the team goals this year is to gain experience for young defensive players so that they are ready to contribute in the next two to three years. Throw them out there and let your new DC develop as much talent as he can.

Each game will be coached to win, but the overall goal is well beyond winning games. It is preparation for next year and the years beyond. It is letting the new DC install his system and develop his players.

When Bobby Wilder says stay the course, I believe this is largely what he is talking about. Regardless of how difficult it is, keep the goal in mind and stay the course. Continue to develop the young players who next year will be bigger, more mature, more experienced, and better prepared for a run for the C-USA championship, and within that framework, put the team on the field each week with the best possible opportunity to win the game.

And that’s the way I see it.

I think Bobby Wilder just confirmed what I was trying to say.

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/09/monarchs...ext-season

(09-24-2013 11:26 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2013 07:42 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote: [ -> ]I think what we all have to keep in mind is that this is a transition year. Every coach sets goals for his team each year. As in business, these goals must be challenging, while also being obtainable.

For most FCS teams with reasonable quality athletes and in normal years, these goals would be winning the conference and making the playoffs, achieving a first round bye, etc. For an FBS team, it is winning the conference, getting a bowl game, etc. For a team in transition, those goals are not available. ODU cannot win CAA or C-USA, make the playoffs or go to the Liberty Bowl.

So what kind of goals do you set? I have no special insight or inside knowledge, but it appears to me that one of the team goals this year is to gain experience for young defensive players so that they are ready to contribute in the next two to three years. Throw them out there and let your new DC develop as much talent as he can.

Each game will be coached to win, but the overall goal is well beyond winning games. It is preparation for next year and the years beyond. It is letting the new DC install his system and develop his players.

When Bobby Wilder says stay the course, I believe this is largely what he is talking about. Regardless of how difficult it is, keep the goal in mind and stay the course. Continue to develop the young players who next year will be bigger, more mature, more experienced, and better prepared for a run for the C-USA championship, and within that framework, put the team on the field each week with the best possible opportunity to win the game.

And that’s the way I see it.

I think Bobby Wilder just confirmed what I was trying to say.

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/09/monarchs...ext-season

I see this as a desperation move. The defense that started the season has dramatically underperformed so far.

From a pre-season ODUBlitz:

Quote:The Monarchs also recruited six junior college defensive players, including four linemen, and several outstanding high school players. Some veterans, including tackle Nate Barnes, have stepped up their game.

The defense looked remarkably improved in spring practice.

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/08/5-questi...n-football

Well, fast forward to now.
We apparently have now given up on the highly touted JUCOs and veterans in order to try and get something going for next year. This means we are, to a degree, mortgaging our future with respect to experience and long term continuity, by completely wasting every potential freshman redshirt we have.

While some on here have pleaded for us "debbie downers" to be positive and give it more time than four games, what I saw won't be fixed with playing time.
Go back and look at the Citadel highlights.

*Our defensive line is so slow to react that cut blocks and OL surges were almost unnecessary. Our defensive line didn't get manhandled on the off tackle runs, it literally didn't react at all. The plays just went by them.
That won't be fixed with playing time.
*Look at the Citadel runs and observe the tackling, or lack thereof. Little or no commonly accepted technique at all. LC Byrd high school here Chesterfield has better overall tackling than we do.
That won't be fixed with playing time.
*Something so far not discussed but something that scares me more than both of the above is that it appears from the highlights that both Citadel ball carriers, (and really there were only two), the Quarterback and the Fullback, were faster than all but one player on our entire team. Really, a QB and FB faster than most all of our DB's???
That won't be fixed with playing time.

Coach Wilder is no fool. He sees all of this and is doing everything he can to get ready for next year.
I agree with his moves, just not his spin.

Make no mistake, it was NOT the plan to bench veterans and touted JUCOs to waste every single freshman year of eligibility. We were counting on them to provide leadership, experience, and maturity.
We are in huge trouble defensively and are apparently facing next year with a patchwork defense of mostly freshmen and sophomores going into FBS.

Ouch.

Hey, Knute Rockne, the first two of your "can't be fixed" CAN be fixed with playing time, and I'd rather see the freshmen get that time now, with 8 games to go, than next year never having played a down of CFB.

(09-25-2013 05:54 AM)jumpshooter Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, Knute Rockne, the first two of your "can't be fixed" CAN be fixed with playing time, and I'd rather see the freshmen get that time now, with 8 games to go, than next year never having played a down of CFB.

Maybe playing time can help that line to react quicker, but it looks to me like it is a question of athletic ability, which would also explain an inability to get off a pass rush as well. Playing time won't help much if it is raw atletic ability we are dealing with.


We are in our 5th year of exactly the same issues with tackling as we had day one. If we are not teaching those fundamentals in training camp, the players are not going to magically acquire them after for a few games on Saturday.
Some, if not indeed many, recruits come out of high school with solid fundamentals, so maybe some of our new freshmen have them.

Watch the highlights carefully.

Obviously Coach Wilder doesn't think that playing time will fix what we have either. Otherwise he wouldn't be giving up on the the vets and JUCOs in favor of the freshmen.

(09-25-2013 07:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2013 05:54 AM)jumpshooter Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, Knute Rockne, the first two of your "can't be fixed" CAN be fixed with playing time, and I'd rather see the freshmen get that time now, with 8 games to go, than next year never having played a down of CFB.

Maybe playing time can help that line to react quicker, but it looks to me like it is a question of athletic ability, which would also explain an inability to get off a pass rush as well. Playing time won't help much if it is raw atletic ability we are dealing with.


We are in our 5th year of exactly the same issues with tackling as we had day one. If we are not teaching those fundamentals in training camp, the players are not going to magically acquire them after for a few games on Saturday.
Some, if not indeed many, recruits come out of high school with solid fundamentals, so maybe some of our new freshmen have them.

Watch the highlights carefully.

Obviously Coach Wilder doesn't think that playing time will fix what we have either. Otherwise he wouldn't be giving up on the the vets and JUCOs in favor of the freshman.

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(09-25-2013 12:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]The defense looked remarkably improved in spring practice.

Man we talking about practice? We talking about practice man!?

I've heard (and it makes sense) that the most important aspect of playing defense is to be able to make a play without hesitation. That millisecond of hesitation is all it takes to lose an angle on the play. It starts with being in the right position but I would guess that repetitive game experience helps a defender to be able to react correctly without hesitation.

Which means if correct, we should see an improvement in the latter 3rd of the season.

These kids are used to being the best on their field and come here and maybe they aren't. It takes a hit on your mind and pysche to know this. A milisec of self doubt or overthinking can cause the miss of the play. Game time will solve that. Bonding on the field and thru adversity will solve all of that. A tight team will play thru anything and will fight more. Like we all are taught

Its not the failure of the team...but the strenght of heart of our team. And looking back at so many teams that sucked but got to playoffs and won. Odu will be one of amazement next year. the heart of all this crap will put the chip on theirr shoulder.