did they release anything after the first 3 years yet?
I don't think that is a ND issue. ND provides the dates, the ACC provides the opponents.
Notre Dame is being quiet. I suspect the P5 may soon require all members to be in a conference and all conferences have a championship game. Notre Dame may be waiting to see, if this required or not required.
(09-11-2013 10:13 AM)Wolfman Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think that is a ND issue. ND provides the dates, the ACC provides the opponents.
That's correct -- ND provides the dates and the league (and likely TV partners) is responsible for the opponent rotation.
the ACC office is just probably waiting to see if they need to add Cincinnati and UConn to the ND rotation
(please... I'm only kidding!)
One never knows the ACC does not deal in rumors like B12 and B10 do. The ACC just announces it and it is already a done deal, which is smart in my opinion.
(09-11-2013 12:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]the ACC office is just probably waiting to see if they need to add Cincinnati and UConn to the ND rotation
(please... I'm only kidding!)
(09-11-2013 10:15 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]Notre Dame is being quiet. I suspect the P5 may soon require all members to be in a conference and all conferences have a championship game. Notre Dame may be waiting to see, if this required or not required.
Long time lurker, first time poster. I preface by admitting I am (and always was) a pro-ACC FSU fan (at least
vis a vi the now-dead Big XII rumor), but I think this is something those who argue "ND will never join a conference" miss. That is, Man U and Real Madrid are not allowed to operate as independent entities. Neither is the Dallas Cowboys. Same with the Los Angeles Lakers. One might say the Yankees are allowed to some extent, but they pressure in MLB is towards full-on revenue sharing.
And so it is with Notre Dame; the pressure on them has been towards an elimination of their independent status. Eventually (my opinion is with the breakaway super division), ND will be forced to join a conference, and I would suggest the other conferences (Big 10, SEC, PAC-12, Big XII), will advise them they have already made their decision, and they can join the ACC completely or risk becoming the Harlem Globetrotters.
(09-12-2013 12:31 PM)GoNolzOhio Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2013 10:15 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]Notre Dame is being quiet. I suspect the P5 may soon require all members to be in a conference and all conferences have a championship game. Notre Dame may be waiting to see, if this required or not required.
Long time lurker, first time poster. I preface by admitting I am (and always was) a pro-ACC FSU fan (at least vis a vi the now-dead Big XII rumor), but I think this is something those who argue "ND will never join a conference" miss. That is, Man U and Real Madrid are not allowed to operate as independent entities. Neither is the Dallas Cowboys. Same with the Los Angeles Lakers. One might say the Yankees are allowed to some extent, but they pressure in MLB is towards full-on revenue sharing.
And so it is with Notre Dame; the pressure on them has been towards an elimination of their independent status. Eventually (my opinion is with the breakaway super division), ND will be forced to join a conference, and I would suggest the other conferences (Big 10, SEC, PAC-12, Big XII), will advise them they have already made their decision, and they can join the ACC completely or risk becoming the Harlem Globetrotters.
Welcome aboard --
I've maintained the position that ND's 5-game scheduling agreement was a precursor of ND's move to either want to, or most likely, "HAVE TO" join the ACC at some point down the road (likely at the official split), and that said agreement is in place to give the alumni some time to get used to seeing ACC schools in South Bend.
I don't see Notre Dame's status going away anytime soon. Notre Dame went to the ACC agreement because it allowed them to meet the the things that were making being an independent difficult. It gave them late season big games when they were harder to come to, gave them bowls when they didn't make the BCS, and a strong conference for other sports. The agreement was mutuality beneficial for both the ACC and Notre Dame, but Notre Dame didn't do it as a step to join a conference, they did it to make being an independent in football easy.
Beyond that, no other conference is going to want to force Notre Dame into a conference. Every conference besides the conference that gets them wants to lose those games. It would mean the Big Ten would likely lose the Purdue and Michigan State series (both of which currently continue at least most years), the Big 12 would likely lose Texas/Oklahoma vs. Notre Dame games, the PAC-12 could even lose Stanford/Notre Dame (probably not, but possibly).
The word out of ND is that Louisville coming to ND in '14, ND @ Louisville in '17.
I obviously agree with Ohio1317 on the "forced to join a conference" BS.
This was announced months ago TerryD.
News to me, lol.
I had heard some talk that Louisville was concerned that ND was going to move their home game to Indianapolis.
I thought I had a scoop!
(09-12-2013 03:14 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]News to me, lol.
I had heard some talk that Louisville was concerned that ND was going to move their home game to Indianapolis.
I thought I had a scoop!
Having the Domers 5 game agreement will pay off BIG TIME for the ACC. Love the fact that you guys are 5/8th's in the conference.
FLossY out...
(09-12-2013 02:00 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see Notre Dame's status going away anytime soon. Notre Dame went to the ACC agreement because it allowed them to meet the the things that were making being an independent difficult. It gave them late season big games when they were harder to come to, gave them bowls when they didn't make the BCS, and a strong conference for other sports. The agreement was mutuality beneficial for both the ACC and Notre Dame, but Notre Dame didn't do it as a step to join a conference, they did it to make being an independent in football easy.
Beyond that, no other conference is going to want to force Notre Dame into a conference. Every conference besides the conference that gets them wants to lose those games. It would mean the Big Ten would likely lose the Purdue and Michigan State series (both of which currently continue at least most years), the Big 12 would likely lose Texas/Oklahoma vs. Notre Dame games, the PAC-12 could even lose Stanford/Notre Dame (probably not, but possibly).
You make a fair point with regard to the loss of games. However, with all business decisions, its a matter of cost/benefit analysis. I would suggest to you that the currently-forming "Super Division I" membership would accept the loss of games you are referring to, in return for getting ND "in the fold."
Let's be real. We are talking about an entity that is currently signing their own network deal, and a membership, most of which, would never see ND's football team set foot on their soil. And with ACC sticking to an 8-game conference schedule, its just a matter of ND juggling the non-conference games to make enough people happy.
This is no offense intended for the Domers, but you can't have happy new division with one entity being allowed to sign their own t.v. deals.
(09-12-2013 03:19 PM)HRFlossY Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2013 03:14 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]News to me, lol.
I had heard some talk that Louisville was concerned that ND was going to move their home game to Indianapolis.
I thought I had a scoop!
Having the Domers 5 game agreement will pay off BIG TIME for the ACC. Love the fact that you guys are 5/8th's in the conference.
FLossY out...
I agree about it paying off for the ACC. I was all for the deal when it went down. Truth be told, we (I speak as a pro-ACC FSU fan), got as much out of ND as they were going to give anyone.
My feelings about their eventual full membership is just a semi-educated guess.
What exactly did we gain from the ND deal?
Our bowls are worse, and they will get one of the best ones just about every year.
None of their other sports are anything special. If they were they would be independent too.
Exposure? Clemson doesn't need the thieving Irish for that.
What exactly did we gain for our selling out on one of th few things this Godawful conference has got right over the years, every school is fully in or fully out.
GOR?
increased tv revenue?
acc network?
I think the bowls are a slight upgrade overall depending on the new payouts.
(09-12-2013 06:03 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote: [ -> ]What exactly did we gain from the ND deal?
Our bowls are worse, and they will get one of the best ones just about every year.
None of their other sports are anything special. If they were they would be independent too.
Exposure? Clemson doesn't need the thieving Irish for that.
What exactly did we gain for our selling out on one of th few things this Godawful conference has got right over the years, every school is fully in or fully out.
I think TIGER-PAUL stated them pretty succinctly, actually. And I would add that, due to those reason, I don't have a problem with Notre Dame getting access to one of the ACC bowls. Its a fair exchange, and one that the Big XII offered to the Golden Domers. The SEC had no chance to land ND (not that they wanted the Irish), and the Big Ten would never need to make a partial membership offer. Then again, those are two conferences I wouldn't have had a problem with FSU joining.
I think way, way too much is being made of a new division. The order of likelihood of events with this in my opinion is.
1. No major changes, but compromises to the power schools to get a lot of what they want.
2. Division 1-A (FBS) splits from the rest of division 1 for governance purposes. It might be wider than that, but if it is, it will also include the Big East and maybe some other schools.
3. A full split of the power schools (definitely adding in Notre Dame possibly adding BYU and a few others), probably still within the NCAA.
4. A division split that brings the 5 power conferences, Notre Dame, and the Mountain West/American.
Of the four, only #3 (the one I think is 2nd to least likely), might effect Notre Dame independence and I think even there, they'd still be much more likely to keep it than lose it.
Let's say, the power 5 conferences split into a new division to make their own rules. That doesn't mean the bowls/CFP/games are actually altered all that much. In much the same way we have FBS vs. FCS games now, we would probably continue a mixture, but to a larger extent then. They aren't likely to fundamentally alter the CFP given it has a 12 year deal they just signed and that would require a big buyout to the Group of 5 who would fight tooth and nail to stay part of the system. They also probably wouldn't change the regular season much given all the existing schedule agreements and everyone's desire for 7 home games. I think 2-3 games against current FCS schools would still be allowed even with a separation. In short, for purposes beyond governance rules, even with a formal split along power conference/non-power conferences, I doubt we see much change.
If we assume that the power conferences have really changed their mind quickly though and want away from the Group of 5 and are willing to do pay the fees associated with that, things start to get more interesting. Then, away from the Group of 5, you might get more look at an 8 team playoff (although I don't see it at this point), but it would probably be along classical lines. You could have Big Ten vs. PAC-12 as a first round in the Rose Bowl, the SEC hosting someone in the Sugar, ACC in the Orange, and Big 12 in the Sugar or possibly back to the Fiesta or Cotton. Even then though, I think you'd have room for independents to fill in one of the at large spots.
I think the only way you get to the point Notre Dame must join a conference if you essentially have to merge into one giant conference made up of several divisions and sub-divisions (probably called conferences and divisions) before it would even be possible in the short term. That requires several leaps from the point we are at though and given how slow everything generally moves in college football, I'd say that's still a ways off. It might happen someday, but when we just had the Big Ten putting forth a plus one over a 4 team playoff a year ago, when we just had the Group of 5 sign the CFP, with no major players wanting independents eliminated in principle, etc, I see no reason to think we are anywhere close to the point Notre Dame is forced into that position.