(09-09-2013 08:43 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013 08:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013 08:06 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013 04:04 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: [ -> ]So loyalties only matter when it's convenient for your point, but they don't when it's not? What happened to the mindset that all coaches are mercenaries looking to move up and outward? You may as well suggest that he's more loyal to the Florida Gators than he is to Louisville who gave him his first head coaching gig with that statement.
Your reading comprehension skills leave a little to be desired. I'm trying to figure out how you came to that conclusion based on my comment... 
None the less, I would say exactly what he is trying to say you said. I would absolutely say that Strong is most loyal to his Alma Mater. The concept of such is NOT a new concept. Perhaps this new poster doesn't understand the concept of having an Alma Mater. Seems that way or he is extremely naïve. To think that every coach is completely loyal to the school that gave them their first coaching gig? I mean....obviously they are because so few coaches leave their current job for another one right?
This guy is a perfect example of someone who has a very limited grasp of reality.
Well I hate defending my insecure Louisville fans, but there is NO WAY we lose Charlie Strong to his alma mater ....
... since his alma mater is the UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL ARKANSAS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Strong
This is a perfect example of someone talking out of their ass, and not having anyone call him on it earlier in the thread, so he continues to talk out of his ass. 
Now we could lose him to Florida. Although I think those chances go down with every year Charlie stays in Louisville. If Muschamp screws the pooch this year, after going 11-2 last year, I still think he has another year at Florida before any of us need to worry about that.
And I am sure if Texas really wanted him, we could lose him there too. Although that is a fight I would welcome, as I don't think Charlie has ANY emotional ties to Texas, and Charlie DOES have some emotional ties to Tom Jurich who finally gave him a chance at a head coaching job. If we were to beat Texas out to keep Charlie, after doing the same with Tennessee, then I think we're looking a long termer status.
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Wow, congrats to you. I was wrong, his first position after graduating was a graduate assistant at Florida. You SO proved me wrong....in regards to something that is not even the issue.
So while YES you are correct about where he graduated from, your insecure little friend was WRONG about where he got his first shot at coaching. He was actually the Interim HEAD COACH for Florida for one Bowl Game. You say he got passed up for the Head Coaching job? Well yeah...you might have heard of the man who got the gig instead? Goes by the name of Urban Meyer? So you see, it isn't that Florida didn't trust him with the head coaching job. He didn't have the resume to be the top candidate for such a highly respected position. That isn't the case now....
Yeah, so congrats on your little victory over proving me wrong about something but if you think THAT proves he wouldn't take the Florida job then you have your head in the Louisville sand even more so than the other guy that you yourself called an insecure Louisville fan.
Helpful hint, don't stand on the Red rug when the Muschamp getting fired rumors start to flare up.
(09-09-2013 08:33 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: [ -> ]I never said Strong wouldn't leave for Florida. I've said many a time that Florida's the only place I see him leaving Louisville for. I said he wouldn't go to Texas and all of Texas's money wouldn't sway him. I'm sorry, unlike the folks from Texas around here...I don't swing from Longhorn jockstraps. The world does not start and stop at Texas. They're not the be all and end all of college football and they won't just pluck whoever they want. If they could, they probably would've done a hell of a lot better than Mack Brown to begin with.
Mack Brown was a home run hire back in 1998 considering how mediocre the University of Texas at Austin was back then. He was the North Carolina coach and was building something respectable there. UNC hasn't been the same since then but perhaps Larry Fedora might build something special in Chapel Hill. You simply don't understand how Texas (the school and the state for that matter) function. The University of Texas that hired Mack Brown 15 years ago is not the same University of Texas of today. Two different animals considering back in the late 90's, Texas A&M was the top football program in Texas, Nebraska was a power, Miami and Florida State were ruling college football and the SEC was not as powerful as it is now. I don't think Texas will go after Strong due to the fact he doesn't has any ties to the state so recruiting wise is not a good fit. But if Florida calls then the outcome might be different. He has it good at Louisville, he could be the next Gary Patterson (TCU) or Chris Petersen (Boise State) and have Louisville be a mid level ACC team with an occasional run to the ACC championship and Orange Bowl. Or he could go to Gainesville and deal with the ridiculous high expectations of winning the SEC every year and be in the national championship picture.
At one point in the 60's Texas tried to BUY the University of Houston to keep it from becoming a Public University. That's how much money Texas has.
Clearly, you folks just aren't picking up what I'm putting down...
Strong wouldn't go to Texas, regardless of Texas's money. Hell, Texas likely wouldn't even look in his direction considering all the ties in Texas Strong DOESN'T have. Strong would cost Florida enough money to give them pause before they just up and hired him. Could they? Eh, maybe...but it'd cost them a fortune for sure. I will say however, that he'd be a very popular hire for Florida and after Muschamp that could count for a hell of a lot.
My main point over all in all of this is that folks love tossing Strong's name out there for all of these other jobs, and certainly he may leave for one. But what the people who keep throwing his name out there seem to forget is that "Little ol' Louisville" is paying Strong well enough to be in the Top 10 highest paid coaches in all of college football, and he has a $5million buy out. Sure, he was the stop-gap for a bowl game in Florida but that's hardly the same thing as giving a guy his first real head coaching gig and then giving him the keys completely. Strong doesn't have anxious boosters to appease, Strong doesn't have an AD looking over his shoulder...Louisville is literally HIS program to run how HE wants and he's at a university heading into a major conference headed by an AD who'll give him whatever resources he wants. Quite frankly, and I know it's hard for some of you guys to believe, but "little ol' Louisville" just ain't that bad of a gig. We're not the little C-USA/Big East school where someone can just come along and pluck our head coaches without having to put up a bit more of a fight and more $$$ anymore.
(09-09-2013 04:53 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013 07:49 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013 07:00 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]Strong is at Louisville for the long haul, he will retire well paid from Louisville just like Denny Crum and Rick Pitino. Charlie's current base salary is $3.7 million annually plus bonus. We can afford to match, also. 
You can't match a Super Bowl ring or NFL salary. Even at the collegiate level, the "we're loaded and can match anyone" rationale can work virtually anywhere within the major conference programs, so who has it really locked down?
Mack Brown currently makes 5.3 Million plus bonuses and Im sure Texas could go higher if they wanted to.
Several programs could, I'm sure.
I'm not sold on college coaching jobs being all that swell to begin with, so that's where I'm coming from. The recruiting, the ambassador-like role, the constant performance analysis, the kissing up to boosters (who, no matter how good you are, can still make it clear that even just winning isn't enough), fundraising, the restrictions/regulations, administration, practice schedules...even if college coaches can make more money than professional ones, those guys at the schools, they may not be playing as many games as the ones in the pro towns, but they are working around the calendar. Heck, back in the day, a lot of these guys would also have to teach on the side! No doubt, if it's for you, and it's good, it's probably REALLY good. But those long-timer types...they are not happening these days. That tells me it can't be all that great.
(09-10-2013 08:13 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sold on college coaching jobs being all that swell to begin with, so that's where I'm coming from. The recruiting, the ambassador-like role, the constant performance analysis, the kissing up to boosters (who, no matter how good you are, can still make it clear that even just winning isn't enough), fundraising, the restrictions/regulations, administration, practice schedules...even if college coaches can make more money than professional ones, those guys at the schools, they may not be playing as many games as the ones in the pro towns, but they are working around the calendar. Heck, back in the day, a lot of these guys would also have to teach on the side! No doubt, if it's for you, and it's good, it's probably REALLY good. But those long-timer types...they are not happening these days. That tells me it can't be all that great.
Yeah, the days when college head coaches were untouchable "institutions" at a school are gone. Their job security now is no more than that of an NFL head coach, except that a fortunate few of them get a little more security by duping an incompetent athletic director into a contract with a buyout that is too large for the school to easily afford.
And the
you have to put up with as a CFB coach greatly exceeds what an NFL coach puts up with, IMO. The one downside that the NFL jobs have more than the CFB jobs is that the media obsession with the NFL is now insane, and means that every single thing an NFL coach does, no matter how small, gets dissected by the industry of media "analysts" who have to fill up columns or half-hour TV shows every day.
(09-10-2013 10:38 AM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]And the you have to put up with as a CFB coach greatly exceeds what an NFL coach puts up with, IMO.
I agree. I think the recruiting aspect alone is one that I'm sure some guys would love to do without. You're courting talent, sometimes endlessly kissing butt to kids (not adults) and their families, with no certain guarantee they'll ultimately attend your program or contribute to it thereafter, and that's a flippin' competition as much as the 12-14 games a school might play a season. The pros have it easy. Talent comes to you, they entertain you, you know your pecking order in selection...the professional level kept that aspect of recruitment well under its control. And it's better for it.
...and in the pro's, the team you beat to the punch on grabbing talent don't go screaming to the NFL calling shenanigans. When colleges lose recruiting competitions, they go screaming and crying to Mama NCAA for justice in the form of recruiting violations.
(09-09-2013 06:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013 05:04 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: [ -> ]Considering what Strong gets paid in Louisville, which is significantly more than you people seem to realize, as well as the absolute control he has over the program vs. other places...he's not leaving. He said no to Tennessee, and that's a better gig than Texas.
Louisville folks should be more worried about how long Florida is willing to put up with mediocre performances by Muschamp. Strong may have turned down Tennessee and I am with you that he could just as likely turn down Texas as he would accept, but I wouldn't be so quick to say he would turn down Florida. That is his Alma Mater.
To the folks that think Strong would go to Texas, I think it just as likely he stays in Louisville where he remains the number one coach on the market until the position at Florida opens up.
I happen to agree with this.
(09-10-2013 01:10 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013 06:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013 05:04 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: [ -> ]Considering what Strong gets paid in Louisville, which is significantly more than you people seem to realize, as well as the absolute control he has over the program vs. other places...he's not leaving. He said no to Tennessee, and that's a better gig than Texas.
Louisville folks should be more worried about how long Florida is willing to put up with mediocre performances by Muschamp. Strong may have turned down Tennessee and I am with you that he could just as likely turn down Texas as he would accept, but I wouldn't be so quick to say he would turn down Florida. That is his Alma Mater.
To the folks that think Strong would go to Texas, I think it just as likely he stays in Louisville where he remains the number one coach on the market until the position at Florida opens up.
I happen to agree with this.
The LSU job might be open soon ...
(09-09-2013 07:58 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: [ -> ]Frankly, I don't give a damn about Texas. Louisville may eventually lose Strong, but it won't be to Texas. Period, end of the discussion. Move along, nothing more to see.
Hold the phone.......You said that Tennessee is a better job than Texas. Then you implied that Texas did not have enough money to go after Strong. Money might not sway Strong, but to think that Texas could not outbid Louisville for his services is ridiculous.
However you are correct about one thing.....Louisville will not lose Strong to Texas. Texas will have zero interest in him, they will look higher.
"Look higher"...That's rich coming from an SMU fan. Thank GOD we're only stuck in the same filth as them for one year...
I do not ever remember a football team that has done so little with so much as the Longhorns of today. They finally sank to the bottom of the septic tank Saturday.
(09-10-2013 05:13 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: [ -> ]I do not ever remember a football team that has done so little with so much as the Longhorns of today. They finally sank to the bottom of the septic tank Saturday.
Not quite. IMO Oklahoma State took that spot, albeit for a slightly different reason...
USC can lay some claim to it as well. I'd actually give them the spot, considering the huge expectations Lane Kiffin is crushing with the Trojans poor performance...
(09-08-2013 11:38 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2013 11:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2013 11:03 PM)4x4hokies Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2013 10:43 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2013/9/8/470...d-to-texas
It is funny how this writer has turned the Alabama visit to College Station as an attempt to say that Saban may meet with folks in Austin about the position.
Oh good god....
It is a joke though. The writer admits it in the comments.
Of course it is, the journey in question is to College Station but lots of folks will worry across the country that the Horns will look in their direction for replacing Mack.
Even if it wasn't a joke, it wouldn't be the first time his name came up in discussions about future Texas candidates. Saban has claimed that he wanted to retire at Alabama. Many top coaches who have earned their fill are going to be cashing it in fairly soon. The trick is to get out of their investments just prior to the peak in Boomer retirement at which time payout projections will be trending significantly down and that peak will hit between 2014 and 2016. I'd say after that the bubbles will be popping in a great many things. He is a "god" to Bammers. I don't see him giving that up just to dodge cow patties when he trots onto the field at DKR.
Saban won't leave for Texas because no matter what Texas offers, Alabama will at least match it.
(09-10-2013 05:05 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: [ -> ]"Look higher"...That's rich coming from an SMU fan. Thank GOD we're only stuck in the same filth as them for one year...
Changing the subject is a good tatic when you are loosing a debate. That and attacking something else, in this case SMU. SMU has nothing to do with this discussion. We are talking about Texas and Strong.
Certainaly Texas will look higher up the coaches chain than Strong. I do not know how "that is rich coming from an SMU fan".
I am still wondering how you rate the Tennessee job better than Texas and why Texas can not afford to court Strong...not that they would want him.
I love a good debate.
I'm not losing a debate. Texas fans and people from the state of Texas are full of self importance and think they can do whatever in the hell they want. They can't, and they can't handle having that pointed out to 'em.
(09-10-2013 08:07 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not losing a debate. Texas fans and people from the state of Texas are full of self importance and think they can do whatever in the hell they want. They can't, and they can't handle having that pointed out to 'em.
Well I am not from Texas and I am not a University of Texas fan. So that is not relevant to our discussion on Tennessee being a better job than Texas and Texas not having enough resources to pursue Strong.
I never said they didn't have the resources. I said it'd take a LOT of those resources. I said Strong wouldn't be interested in Texas and Texas wouldn't be interested in Strong.
Further more, Tennessee is a storied program in the SEC. While it may be down right now, it's not like it's a slouch gig by any means. What the question boils down to, is if you're a coach where would you rather coach? A storied program in the nation's best football conference, or a program that has plenty of history but in a weaker conference? My personal opinion, I'd take Tennessee over Texas all day every day. You'd choose otherwise. Good for you. What's the debate here? I get that you have a different opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. Further more, Strong is an SEC guy. He turned down an SEC school. I'm sure he'd rather have Tennessee over Texas if it came down to the two as well.
(09-11-2013 05:12 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: [ -> ]I never said they didn't have the resources. I said it'd take a LOT of those resources. I said Strong wouldn't be interested in Texas and Texas wouldn't be interested in Strong.
Further more, Tennessee is a storied program in the SEC. While it may be down right now, it's not like it's a slouch gig by any means. What the question boils down to, is if you're a coach where would you rather coach? A storied program in the nation's best football conference, or a program that has plenty of history but in a weaker conference? My personal opinion, I'd take Tennessee over Texas all day every day. You'd choose otherwise. Good for you. What's the debate here? I get that you have a different opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. Further more, Strong is an SEC guy. He turned down an SEC school. I'm sure he'd rather have Tennessee over Texas if it came down to the two as well.
You said UT had limited resources to go after Strong. It appears you failed to take into acount the immense wealth of UT suporters. I do not recall you saying early on that Texas would not be interested in Strong.....I said that.
Tennessee has a storied program, so does Texas but that means little today. You personal opinion is you would take the Tennessee job over Texas. Well I think you will find you are in a distinct minority when it comes to coaches. I have heard several head coaches and analyst say Texas was the best coaching job in the nation and I believe by all measuring sticks it is.
Why would a coach prefer to coach in a conference where he has to beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina when he could coach in a conference where he was top dog with every advantage and more resources than probably any school in the nation.
The State of Tennessee has limited blue chip prospects, therefore Tennesse must recruit other states against stiff competetion. At UT you have pretty much your choice of the top recruits in one of the most prolific recruiting states in the nation.
So you still have not provided anything to show that Tennessee is a better job than Texas and that Texas does not have resources to go after Strong. That was the debate.
However, in consideration of other posters on this board I will drop the questions and let you go your merry way.
Cheers
(09-11-2013 11:14 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2013 05:12 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: [ -> ]I never said they didn't have the resources. I said it'd take a LOT of those resources. I said Strong wouldn't be interested in Texas and Texas wouldn't be interested in Strong.
Further more, Tennessee is a storied program in the SEC. While it may be down right now, it's not like it's a slouch gig by any means. What the question boils down to, is if you're a coach where would you rather coach? A storied program in the nation's best football conference, or a program that has plenty of history but in a weaker conference? My personal opinion, I'd take Tennessee over Texas all day every day. You'd choose otherwise. Good for you. What's the debate here? I get that you have a different opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. Further more, Strong is an SEC guy. He turned down an SEC school. I'm sure he'd rather have Tennessee over Texas if it came down to the two as well.
You said UT had limited resources to go after Strong. It appears you failed to take into acount the immense wealth of UT suporters. I do not recall you saying early on that Texas would not be interested in Strong.....I said that.
Tennessee has a storied program, so does Texas but that means little today. You personal opinion is you would take the Tennessee job over Texas. Well I think you will find you are in a distinct minority when it comes to coaches. I have heard several head coaches and analyst say Texas was the best coaching job in the nation and I believe by all measuring sticks it is.
Why would a coach prefer to coach in a conference where he has to beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina when he could coach in a conference where he was top dog with every advantage and more resources than probably any school in the nation.
The State of Tennessee has limited blue chip prospects, therefore Tennesse must recruit other states against stiff competetion. At UT you have pretty much your choice of the top recruits in one of the most prolific recruiting states in the nation.
Excuse me? Did you say Tennessee has limited blue chip recruits, and can't recruit enough good players from other states? You either haven't seen the recruiting rankings for Tennessee HS players, or the University of Tennessee's 2014 class (
Rivals & Scout #2, ESPiN & 247sports #3). Either that, or you didn't have a clue when you decided to write that post. Whatever the case, your post was a classic example of open mouth and insert foot...
Tennessee's top recruit is 5 star RB Jalen Hurd from Nashville, TN. The Vols also have 3 recruits ranked 4 star who also hail from Tennessee. They also have recruits from AL, FL, GA, NC, VA, DC, MD, IL, TX, and CA. I don't see any of the problems you see, since the Vols are recruiting from most east coast states south of the Mason-Dixon line, and as far away as the west coast.
I know what I'm talking about when I talk about Tennessee. After all, the Vols TE coach, former WVU OL coach, Dave Johnson, is married to my wife's cousin...
I'm hoping he'll get me a sideline pass for the 3rd Saturday in October. At least that's the plan at present...