The quality of this league stinks and about to get much worse. So somebody tell me how we are going to out recruit the regional programs ahead of us ie ECU, VT, UVa, and the Carolina schools.
Quality of conference affiliation? No.
Overall facilities? No.
Tradition? No.
Quality of coaching staff? No.
Overall budgets and financial resources? No
Really, where do we have an advantage anywhere? And please dont make comparisons to our entry into CAA Football. FBS is a totally different ball game.
You just figured out that we won't have much of a chance against CBS teams???
Seriously?
You just now figured out how college football works?
Dont be a *******, just answer the question Razor with a little thought.
Some people forget that we are a young program that is still building a competitive base and developing credibility.
Quality of Conference Affiliation: It was jump the gap or risk not being able to jump at all. We made the right choice.
Overall Facilities: Great for FCS, not good enough for FBS. We were a full-fledged FCS member up until this season. This is understandable.
Tradition: The team has only been playing football for
five years. Self-explanatory.
Quality of Coaching Staff: Good enough for FCS success, but struggling against the talent-rich & well-conditioned FBS teams that we have faced so far. Improvement needed? Yes. But two games does not a future make.
Overall Budgets & Finance: Lacking, but recent developments have been encouraging. Moving up was a sudden thing, the money will catch up with us.
We are all on a learning curve. Odu for football doesnt have much tradition yet. Wilder first time coaching against a fbs but in all honesty his learning curve is the smallest. His staff just as small. I put more on them for the losses. Wilder needs to agree with the out coached and so does the others. I should hope we see some new plays next week to help with the learning curve. No one dimensional playing. I can handle a more interesting game if we are teaching new plays to our team.
Our players we tell them the same thing we tell our kids. There will always be someone bigger and faster then you. You will get there. Keep proving it to yourself.
Look how many freshman and redshirts we had playing. And also look at cusa scores yesterday. Wow. Odu is going to fit in well with cusa.
Truth be told we could have stayed in caa been at the top ever year beating lessser teams. But we elected to challenge ourselves the school the community to compete and not just win. So getting beat and competing and building character is better.
Hang in there fans. And next week I support the loudest game ever at odu. Be as loud as you can as fans to show its our house our team and our pride to our team. 12th monarch will not be silenced.
Chip Kelly only had FCS experience until he got to Oregon. Recruiting & talent makes coaches. Let's see what Wilder can do with a reasonable amount of time.
It is going to take time. I don't know how many folks have been around long enough or paid attention long enough, but 20 years ago, Virginia Tech sucked and you could walk up on game day and have a whole row to yourself and that was two expansions ago. They had already been playing football for 100 years at the time.
(09-08-2013 10:59 AM)ODU1986 Wrote: [ -> ]The quality of this league stinks and about to get much worse. So somebody tell me how we are going to out recruit the regional programs ahead of us ie ECU, VT, UVa, and the Carolina schools.
Quality of conference affiliation? No.
Overall facilities? No.
Answer-The program is less than 5 years old. We started at the 1-AA level. We upgraded the stadium to be one of the best in 1-AA. We will now build a new stadium that while won't match the huge stadiums some teams have will be good for a program on the rise and one ODU fans can be proud of.
Tradition? No.
Answer-We are less than 5 years old and you are complaining because we have no tradition? Wow!! Give us time and we will build this. Some schools have had decades to build a fan base. We can build one but it will take time.
When I went to ODU enrollment was around 16,000. It is now over 20,000. Some of that is from the money that has been spent on the campus as well as the profile our sports programs have been getting in the Norfolk area as well as around the state. This will only continue to grow.
Now, add to that that Norfolk has no major sports team. ODU can fill that void. So kids in Norfolk will grow up rooting for ODU. So when they are older they will still root for ODU.
I have family and friend that root for schools like Penn State, Auburn and Virginia Tech that have never gone to these school. They grew up rooting for them and continue to as adults.
Quality of coaching staff? No.
Answer-Here I have to strongly disagree. You have a coach who took a start up program and had them in the 1-AA playoffs within 3 years. Not to mention ranked in the top 10 nationally.
I expected us to take some lumps moving up to 1-A. Still, having seen what Wider did at the 1-AA level, I see no reason to believe he can't make us competitive in 1-A
Overall budgets and financial resources? No
Answer-This again takes time to build. The budget has already grown and will continue to feed the program. To boot, new facilities are in the planning stage and will eventually be built. As we grow and the fan base grows, more alumni will donate to help boost the program further. This takes time and you can't expect us to be on par with Virginia Tech and Virginia overnight.
Really, where do we have an advantage anywhere? And please dont make comparisons to our entry into CAA Football. FBS is a totally different ball game.
Answer-Yes FBS is totally different but the success we had in the CAA beating past national champions like Delaware and JMU can be replicated at 1-A to make us a bowl contender every year. Again it takes time and won't happen overnight.
What it seems like to me is that you expect us to be winning against 1-A opponents right off the bat. I was at yesterdays game and we got stomped. Have I lost all faith because of that. Absolutely not. I still believe that Booby Wilder will eventually make us competitive.
Now I will admit CUSA football doesn't scare most teams like Alabama, Ohio State, and Oregon. Still, that doesn't mean we can't become like Boise State and TCU and play in a weaker conference and become that underdog that every now and then beats the big boys. It just won't happen overnight.
(09-08-2013 12:39 PM)workingodu Wrote: [ -> ]We are all on a learning curve. Odu for football doesnt have much tradition yet. Wilder first time coaching against a fbs but in all honesty his learning curve is the smallest. His staff just as small. I put more on them for the losses. Wilder needs to agree with the out coached and so does the others. I should hope we see some new plays next week to help with the learning curve. No one dimensional playing. I can handle a more interesting game if we are teaching new plays to our team.
Our players we tell them the same thing we tell our kids. There will always be someone bigger and faster then you. You will get there. Keep proving it to yourself.
Look how many freshman and redshirts we had playing. And also look at cusa scores yesterday. Wow. Odu is going to fit in well with cusa.
Truth be told we could have stayed in caa been at the top ever year beating lessser teams. But we elected to challenge ourselves the school the community to compete and not just win. So getting beat and competing and building character is better.
Hang in there fans. And next week I support the loudest game ever at odu. Be as loud as you can as fans to show its our house our team and our pride to our team. 12th monarch will not be silenced.
I will not be.
(09-08-2013 10:59 AM)ODU1986 Wrote: [ -> ]The quality of this league stinks and about to get much worse. So somebody tell me how we are going to out recruit the regional programs ahead of us ie ECU, VT, UVa, and the Carolina schools.
Quality of conference affiliation? No.
Overall facilities? No.
Tradition? No.
Quality of coaching staff? No.
Overall budgets and financial resources? No
Really, where do we have an advantage anywhere? And please dont make comparisons to our entry into CAA Football. FBS is a totally different ball game.
Not sure what your expectations are. That we go directly to the SEC and build a 100,000 seat stadium and hire Nick Saban as our head coach?
I know everyone wants immediate success. It's not going to happen over night, but it will happen. P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E
What can we offer?
1. Playing time
2. A chance to win conference championships
3. A chance to play in a bowl game every year
4. The Beach
5. A chance to play at home.
Are we going to out recruit VT, UVA, NCSU, UNC regularly? No. Not in the near future. Can we, with success in CUSA start winning some battles for non blue chippers? Yes, especially against the Carolina schools. Butler and VCU aren't winning recruiting battles with power basketball programs either but they manage to win a lot of games. Boise St, Cincinnati, and Louisville aren't beating power 6 schools for blue chippers but they manage to put together solid teams. If you think we are ever going to compete at the same level as really good BCS schools, you are going to be a disappointed fan. But if you accept winning titles in CUSA and having a special season every once in a while the you are going to enjoy this ride. I have no doubt that we can build a program that competes at the level that South Florida, Cincinnati, ECU and other top second tier schools compete at. Just have some patience. We aren't even officially FBS yet!
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No, no, no. OP is right. We lost our first game against a BCS team. It's obvious that we suck, we'll never compete. So let's close shop, disband the program, forget about the new stadium, and take a bulldozer to Foreman!
(09-08-2013 06:50 PM)odugrad10 Wrote: [ -> ]No, no, no. OP is right. We lost our first game against a BCS team. It's obvious that we suck, we'll never compete. So let's close shop, disband the program, forget about the new stadium, and take a bulldozer to Foreman!
(09-08-2013 06:50 PM)odugrad10 Wrote: [ -> ]No, no, no. OP is right. We lost our first game against a BCS team. It's obvious that we suck, we'll never compete. So let's close shop, disband the program, forget about the new stadium, and take a bulldozer to Foreman!
Not to mention that CUSA is so crappy that the basketball program will start to suffer, thud leading us to be perennial doormats in the two biggest sports. We might as well just accept suckitude, give up on ODU and all become Virginia Tech fans
High point to cusa football. Utsa moved the chains against okst. Cusa is nothing more then transitional conference for everyone. These are established football programs. Wait til basketball season. All the conferences will be losing this and that game. It will be like a long march madness tournament. Big schools who beat up on everyone during football and had a solid basketball program will realize crap we suck.
The joys of change. Odu is feeling it now but just wait til basketball season. Most schools will be feeling it. Remember this is the first sport of conference realiignment.
and id rather cheer for other schools in the area before uva or tech.
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