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The hurry-up offense doesn't allow the defense to substitute players out if the offense doesn't do it first. So teams have resorted to faking injury to slow them down. Anyone seen this clip yet where it appears a Georgia player got a call from the sideline to fake an injury? We all know players do it, but now are the coaches managing it by calling for injury at certain positions where they might have quality depth?

My opinion probably won't be very popular, but I think the hurry up offense should be looked at as to its effect on the game in general. Personally, I believe it to be detrimental to the sport. Not allowing the defense enough time to even align properly or call plays, resulting in the offense running at will is not a good thing IMO. Players faking injuries is just proof of this. I would like to see good offense because they are good in play execution/strategy, not because of blown assignments and confusion by the defense being on it's heals the whole game.

Its been done against ASU in the past. Ive always considered it a sign that they were out of ideas.

Unfortunately... it's not against the rules, so it's smart strategy.

(09-01-2013 05:53 PM)AngryAphid Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately... it's not against the rules, so it's smart strategy.

The prelude to the rule book has a statement of coaching ethics that says it is unethical to have a player feign injury.

The truth is that there are opportunities to substitute. Every first down the clock is stopped and time is called to move the chains.

(09-01-2013 05:42 PM)Dusty Eagle Wrote: [ -> ]My opinion probably won't be very popular, but I think the hurry up offense should be looked at as to its effect on the game in general. Personally, I believe it to be detrimental to the sport. Not allowing the defense enough time to even align properly or call plays, resulting in the offense running at will is not a good thing IMO. Players faking injuries is just proof of this. I would like to see good offense because they are good in play execution/strategy, not because of blown assignments and confusion by the defense being on it's heals the whole game.

No, it's not popular.

Some people didn't like the forward pass when it first came into the game. The same could be said about 3-point shot, shot-clock, fast break, in basketball.

I personally think it increases the popularity of the sport. People like to see scoring. I think it increases parity. Saban and Bulimia don't like it because you can't necessarily just recruit every giant in the country and bull your way to certain victory.

(09-01-2013 04:05 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: [ -> ]The hurry-up offense doesn't allow the defense to substitute players out if the offense doesn't do it first. So teams have resorted to faking injury to slow them down. Anyone seen this clip yet where it appears a Georgia player got a call from the sideline to fake an injury? We all know players do it, but now are the coaches managing it by calling for injury at certain positions where they might have quality depth?

Marshall had the fastest offence in the nation last 90.4 plays per game. Yesterday we ran 94. Last year the schools we played all faked cramps. The thing is you can only do this once or twice in a game and it really doesn't slow the offence down.

(09-01-2013 05:42 PM)Dusty Eagle Wrote: [ -> ]My opinion probably won't be very popular, but I think the hurry up offense should be looked at as to its effect on the game in general. Personally, I believe it to be detrimental to the sport. Not allowing the defense enough time to even align properly or call plays, resulting in the offense running at will is not a good thing IMO. Players faking injuries is just proof of this. I would like to see good offense because they are good in play execution/strategy, not because of blown assignments and confusion by the defense being on it's heals the whole game.

You sound like a whiner. While were at it lets do away with the triple option. Its a detriment to the other team, they don't get enough possessions and if they have a bad run defense you can't stop them from scoring.

It's a "whatever" attitude from me. The fast paced air raid is a style and it's very effective with the right personnel.

I don't like the ***** rules where we're basically going to eject people for good hits and it happened this weekend. The whole "defenseless" receiver rule is another example of pussification. He's not "defenseless"! Why should a receiver be allowed to catch the ball? As soon as he touches the ball, he's eligible to get lit up! If it's dangerous to the player, the offense shouldn't run the play.

Says someone who isn't running the play or has someone they care about doing it. Player safety is and should always be paramount. College kids should not, under any circumstances be maimed for your entertainment. The pros are a little different, but not by much.

(09-02-2013 10:51 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote: [ -> ]Says someone who isn't running the play or has someone they care about doing it. Player safety is and should always be paramount. College kids should not, under any circumstances be maimed for your entertainment. The pros are a little different, but not by much.

I played the game sir and took many shots as a running back and receiver. Why has it been Ok for decades until the wimpy Baby Boomers became the Establishment? Running a slant across the middle isn't new, it just wasn't done as much because of the risk and it was usually a big tight end running the route.

I hate how all of our institutions have become subject to knee-jerk regulation based on isolated events.

(09-02-2013 10:51 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote: [ -> ]Says someone who isn't running the play or has someone they care about doing it. Player safety is and should always be paramount. College kids should not, under any circumstances be maimed for your entertainment. The pros are a little different, but not by much.

We live in a world where people jump off of cliffs in a flying squirrel suit and zoom three or four feet over rocks at 90 mph. People jump out of planes. Fly jets about a yard away from each other in crazy formations. Get into little capsules and get blasted into a vacuum on top of missiles. We trust some unknown carny to strap a bungie cord on us before we leap off of a tower. Skateboarders could definitely suffer a catastrophic fall at any time.

If safety were the prime motivator in life then none of that would be allowed and football would be banned. People do dangerous things all the time. Nobody is forced into any of those things. They are all voluntary.

Is somebody hiding the risks? Are we doing things that make the risk worse than you would expect? You can look at that stuff, but if safety is PARAMOUNT...then just ban the sport because its not totally safe and never, ever, will be.

(09-02-2013 02:07 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-02-2013 10:51 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote: [ -> ]Says someone who isn't running the play or has someone they care about doing it. Player safety is and should always be paramount. College kids should not, under any circumstances be maimed for your entertainment. The pros are a little different, but not by much.

I played the game sir and took many shots as a running back and receiver. Why has it been Ok for decades until the wimpy Baby Boomers became the Establishment? Running a slant across the middle isn't new, it just wasn't done as much because of the risk and it was usually a big tight end running the route.

I hate how all of our institutions have become subject to knee-jerk regulation based on isolated events.

Watch it bub, I'm a baby boomer and some of the new rules piss me off too. Course, I'm a Philly fan so that explains part of it.

Tell all the former NFL players who just won the first concussion battle that they are wussies and their injuries are because they aren't tough.

(09-02-2013 05:56 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote: [ -> ]Tell all the former NFL players who just won the first concussion battle that they are wussies and their injuries are because they aren't tough.

There is a difference between playing with risks that have been hidden from you, and playing with risks that are known to you. The NFL settled. Speculation is because they didn't want discovery to turn up info that they were hiding the risks.

People drown when swimming. Yet we still allow people to swim. The risks are known. You can't "nerf" every potentially unsafe activity.

There's a difference between swimming and not protecting players. I guess if Julian Jones were paralyzed because he went over the middle, its on him because he knew the risks?

Look, there is no doubt athletes are bigger, faster and stronger than a decade ago and so much more than the '70's and '80's. Something had to be done. Are you saying that players are so much more wussier than those that wore leather helms? Should we go back to those? There is only so much technological advances that can be made. Sooner or later, rule changes had to be made. Some may be overreacting, but science is beginning to show that high school kids and younger are having long term brain issues because of hard contact.

Safety should be paramount.

A 220 pound player who can run a 4.4 forty hits with a force that is 33.4% greater than a 180 pound player who runs a 4.8. That means more hits cause significant damage today than 20 years ago. It also means that the players who sued in part because of the cumulative effect of hits just below concussion will be joined by even more future players because they will take even more of those close call hits.

(09-02-2013 11:31 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]A 220 pound player who can run a 4.4 forty hits with a force that is 33.4% greater than a 180 pound player who runs a 4.8. That means more hits cause significant damage today than 20 years ago. It also means that the players who sued in part because of the cumulative effect of hits just below concussion will be joined by even more future players because they will take even more of those close call hits.

Awareness of the possible effects of concussions is increasing rapidly. If future players are fully informed of the known risks and reasonable efforts to ameliorate them are taken....what's to sue about in the future? Nobody is forced to play a dangerous sport?

(09-01-2013 11:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2013 05:42 PM)Dusty Eagle Wrote: [ -> ]My opinion probably won't be very popular, but I think the hurry up offense should be looked at as to its effect on the game in general. Personally, I believe it to be detrimental to the sport. Not allowing the defense enough time to even align properly or call plays, resulting in the offense running at will is not a good thing IMO. Players faking injuries is just proof of this. I would like to see good offense because they are good in play execution/strategy, not because of blown assignments and confusion by the defense being on it's heals the whole game.

No, it's not popular.

Some people didn't like the forward pass when it first came into the game. The same could be said about 3-point shot, shot-clock, fast break, in basketball.

I personally think it increases the popularity of the sport. People like to see scoring. I think it increases parity. Saban and Bulimia don't like it because you can't necessarily just recruit every giant in the country and bull your way to certain victory.

The hurry up Offense is a legit offensive strategy. Why is it that every time an offense comes up with a strategy that gives it the advantage, there has to be a rule that evens the field. The thing I like about the hurry up offense is that it reward athleticism and conditioning.

I agree Yosef. Anyone that thinks the "tire fire" offense is easy has never done it or underestimates it. Players get gassed really easy, especially on the line.

Part of the reason some defenses hate it is because they aren't at that conditioning level.

A few more years and schools will start recruiting more lighter guys with speed who can stand up to the conditioning pace and when that happens, a new offensive trend will emerge to take advantage of that.

It's always been that way. A new wrinkle emerges it looks invincible, more adopt it, defenses adjust and it no longer is invincible.