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If Joe, Chris, Geron and Michael have the season we anticipate, all four should have a good chance in the NBA draft. Having the better schedule with more tv time and winning some or most of the big games will go a long way for these four. Make it happen guys! GTG
(10-22-2013 11:32 AM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ]If Joe, Chris, Geron and Michael have the season we anticipate, all four should have a good chance in the NBA draft. Having the better schedule with more tv time and winning some or most of the big games will go a long way for these four. Make it happen guys! GTG

Eh...Gonna depend on draft workouts for all the ones you mentioned (not sure about Dixon haven't seen him much) to get into the first 2 rounds.
(10-22-2013 11:36 AM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013 11:32 AM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ]If Joe, Chris, Geron and Michael have the season we anticipate, all four should have a good chance in the NBA draft. Having the better schedule with more tv time and winning some or most of the big games will go a long way for these four. Make it happen guys! GTG

Eh...Gonna depend on draft workouts for all the ones you mentioned (not sure about Dixon haven't seen him much) to get into the first 2 rounds.

Don't know why anyone would think Joe and Chris would get drafted considering they are both four year players who have never been All-Americans. The NBA takes the best of the best.

Not to say being an All-American guarantees you a career in the NBA. But not being an All-American during the course of a four-year collegiate career probably slams the door on you.

Geron may have a chance because of his size and defense. He can score the ball, but must develop a more consistent shot.
As for Dixon, I haven't seen him play enough to say one way or the other.
(10-22-2013 11:53 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013 11:36 AM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013 11:32 AM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ]If Joe, Chris, Geron and Michael have the season we anticipate, all four should have a good chance in the NBA draft. Having the better schedule with more tv time and winning some or most of the big games will go a long way for these four. Make it happen guys! GTG

Eh...Gonna depend on draft workouts for all the ones you mentioned (not sure about Dixon haven't seen him much) to get into the first 2 rounds.

Don't know why anyone would think Joe and Chris would get drafted considering they are both four year players who have never been All-Americans. The NBA takes the best of the best.

Not to say being an All-American guarantees you a career in the NBA. But not being an All-American during the course of a four-year collegiate career probably slams the door on you.

Geron may have a chance because of his size and defense. He can score the ball, but must develop a more consistent shot.

Yep agreed...But if workouts go well they will get a shot if the tigers have an exceptional year.
(10-22-2013 12:14 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013 11:53 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013 11:36 AM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013 11:32 AM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ]If Joe, Chris, Geron and Michael have the season we anticipate, all four should have a good chance in the NBA draft. Having the better schedule with more tv time and winning some or most of the big games will go a long way for these four. Make it happen guys! GTG

Eh...Gonna depend on draft workouts for all the ones you mentioned (not sure about Dixon haven't seen him much) to get into the first 2 rounds.

Don't know why anyone would think Joe and Chris would get drafted considering they are both four year players who have never been All-Americans. The NBA takes the best of the best.

Not to say being an All-American guarantees you a career in the NBA. But not being an All-American during the course of a four-year collegiate career probably slams the door on you.

Geron may have a chance because of his size and defense. He can score the ball, but must develop a more consistent shot.

Yep agreed...But if workouts go well they will get a shot if the tigers have an exceptional year.

Two 'ifs'? Don't go too far out on that limb.
At his size, Joe probably needs to be scoring like 20 points a game or to really be a first round prospect, and he'd still need to score more to even be second round material. To be late first round / second round type prospects, both Chris and Geron would also need to be much more effective scorers than they've been to date. Even then, they're both kind of tweeners. Neither are really natural pgs and both are undersized for NBA 2 guards. And I've never really been sold on Crawford having NBA level athleticism. Don't know much about Dixon other than his per minute numbers are slightly better than Joe's, but given he's also made it to his senior year, I have my reservations as to whether he's really an NBA propsect.

Even if we make a Final Four, one of these guys would have to have a standout type season/tournament to be first round material, and even if one has that kind of year, it's extraordinarily unlikely they all would. Realistically, one or two might go in the second round. Just as realistically, none could be drafted at all.
Jackson is like 5'10. You have to be special to make the Nba at that size. Jackson would already be in the Nba if he was a few inches taller
(10-22-2013 04:12 PM)Briskbas Wrote: [ -> ]At his size, Joe probably needs to be scoring like 20 points a game or to really be a first round prospect, and he'd still need to score more to even be second round material. To be late first round / second round type prospects, both Chris and Geron would also need to be much more effective scorers than they've been to date. Even then, they're both kind of tweeners. Neither are really natural pgs and both are undersized for NBA 2 guards. And I've never really been sold on Crawford having NBA level athleticism. Don't know much about Dixon other than his per minute numbers are slightly better than Joe's, but given he's also made it to his senior year, I have my reservations as to whether he's really an NBA propsect.

Even if we make a Final Four, one of these guys would have to have a standout type season/tournament to be first round material, and even if one has that kind of year, it's extraordinarily unlikely they all would. Realistically, one or two might go in the second round. Just as realistically, none could be drafted at all.

I don't think its realistic that Geron doesn't get drafted at this point.

Now if he has a sub par SR year, sure. He could then easily be left out in the cold.

But as of today, it seems very unlikely to me. He's a second rounder worst case scenerio imo.

JJ and Dixon are on the bubble right now and a lot is riding on this season. Crawford will have to be a sleeper FA to make it. I think a FF run would get either JJ or Dixon drafted. Both would be tougher, but at least one would be drafted.
(10-22-2013 04:21 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013 04:12 PM)Briskbas Wrote: [ -> ]At his size, Joe probably needs to be scoring like 20 points a game or to really be a first round prospect, and he'd still need to score more to even be second round material. To be late first round / second round type prospects, both Chris and Geron would also need to be much more effective scorers than they've been to date. Even then, they're both kind of tweeners. Neither are really natural pgs and both are undersized for NBA 2 guards. And I've never really been sold on Crawford having NBA level athleticism. Don't know much about Dixon other than his per minute numbers are slightly better than Joe's, but given he's also made it to his senior year, I have my reservations as to whether he's really an NBA propsect.

Even if we make a Final Four, one of these guys would have to have a standout type season/tournament to be first round material, and even if one has that kind of year, it's extraordinarily unlikely they all would. Realistically, one or two might go in the second round. Just as realistically, none could be drafted at all.

I don't think its realistic that Geron doesn't get drafted at this point.

Now if he has a sub par SR year, sure. He could then easily be left out in the cold.

But as of today, it seems very unlikely to me. He's a second rounder worst case scenerio imo.

JJ and Dixon are on the bubble right now and a lot is riding on this season. Crawford will have to be a sleeper FA to make it. I think a FF run would get either JJ or Dixon drafted. Both would be tougher, but at least one would be drafted.

Geron would either need to become a knock down shooter or a better slasher to get drafted. He should be capable of both.
(10-22-2013 04:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2013 04:21 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think its realistic that Geron doesn't get drafted at this point.

Now if he has a sub par SR year, sure. He could then easily be left out in the cold.

But as of today, it seems very unlikely to me. He's a second rounder worst case scenerio imo.

JJ and Dixon are on the bubble right now and a lot is riding on this season. Crawford will have to be a sleeper FA to make it. I think a FF run would get either JJ or Dixon drafted. Both would be tougher, but at least one would be drafted.

Geron would either need to become a knock down shooter or a better slasher to get drafted. He should be capable of both.

I think the Geron Johnson in the final part of the season was an NBA prospect. The guy early in the year was not.

It would seem logical to project him to at least be what he was late last year, more likely that he becomes even more comfortable and confident.
Maybe Geron havnt seen Mr. Dixon play
I have a feeling Dix and Geron are going to be the best perimeter defensive combo in the nation.

Imagine that. JJ and CC (as SR's) would be the 3rd and 4th best perimeter defenders on the team.

WOW
Joe has the slimmest shot to get in the NBA... he's not an NBA player...
We will all find out soon enough whether this group of guards is NBA ready or not. Marcus Smart will show them what it takes to play at the NBA level, and I suspect that he may put some of our guards in their place.

This team, with all the hype, could still start the season with two early losses. I'm excited about this season, but this same core group has disappointed each year. Another top 20 start could vanish again before we know it. Thus, I am trying to not get my hopes up too high again.

Dixon, being new here, will be the key to good guard play and is the only one IMO who has a shot at the NBA. Though, he will have to prove it since he didn't play last year.

I think the senior group of guards really overshadow where the true talent lies. If this team is going to maintain a quality ranking, beat ranked teams, and make a deep NCAA tournament run, then it is going to be because Nichols, Iverson, King, etc. are ready to play despite their youth.
(10-22-2013 05:31 PM)Tiger2Ways Wrote: [ -> ]Joe has the slimmest shot to get in the NBA... he's not an NBA player...

Wrong. Joe's got just as good a shot as the rest of em. Can't teach his speed. He's still the best player on the team til someone else proves otherwise...

Go Tigers!
Marcus Smart just might get his a** kicked against Geron Johnson and Michael Dixon.

If we are being honest, these are two of the most elite perimeter defenders in the NCAA and both have size, strength and experience. Not to mention serious attitudes with something to prove to the world.

Both are seen as possible NBA prospects.

Its a spectacular early season matchup.

Bring it Marcus, we got something for your a**. 05-mafia
(10-22-2013 06:38 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote: [ -> ]Marcus Smart just might get his a** kicked against Geron Johnson and Michael Dixon.

If we are being honest, these are two of the most elite perimeter defenders in the NCAA and both have size, strength and experience. Not to mention serious attitudes with something to prove to the world.

Both are seen as possible NBA prospects.

Its a spectacular early season matchup.

Bring it Marcus, we got something for your a**. 05-mafia

Smart is a good candidate for POY and a sure lottery pick. Our guards may slow him down a bit, but an a$$ kicking will not happen. I'm hopeful that good defense will keep him from having a huge game, and that that will be good enough to win at least one of the two games. Let's not forget what OSU did to the Tigers in the tournament several years ago.
I think all 4 of our senior guards can make a good living as pros, but none jump off the page as NBA talent. Among other things, Jackson and Dixon are disadvantaged by their height, Johnson is not a consistent scorer, and Crawford is streaky, too.

Some or all could make it in the NBA, but it's an uphill battle.

I think it's easy to get carried away, b/c we have so much talent on this team. Most college teams have a few good players. We have 11 or 12 who could start for a lot of good teams.

But we don't really have any superstars who are certain NBAers. Hopefully, our depth, experience and consistently good college talent level throughout the roster will do the trick.
I'm impressed. So far it's been a good discussion and no one is getting upset. And it seems like most of us agree on what TripleA said.
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