This is about the reflectors they put on the street pavement to reflect light better at night especially when it is raining.
I was driving down Highland earlier today and the city was placing the reflectors just inside the solid yellow lines bordering the middle turning lane. They were also putting pylons near the reflectors to keep cars from running over them while the glue set up.
So the question is how many city workers and vehicles does it take to do a proper job? ** Please keep in mind the city is always wanting for more tax money because there just isn't enough, thus requiring the city to cut back on employees and degrees of services.**
Any guesses?
4 vehicles, 20 workers (3 to work, 17 to watch)
I would think it's a four man job. Three working, one to watch but that's just me.
That's a rhetorical question. City workers are usually lazy and worthless so even an infinite amount would be incapable of doing it properly.
Actually they had one small SUV (RAV I think) with roof mounted flashing lights driving out front in the middle turning lane, then a large truck with these two guys in seats on the driver's side, one just behind the cab and the other just behind the rear axle that were riding maybe 6 inches off the ground to make it easy to place the reflectors and pylons, then another RAV with flashing lights just behind them and then followed by a two ton truck with a big flashing arrow sign directing traffic to go around the work crew. So 4 vehicles and 6 workers. Excellent use of resources. With the cost of labor, insurance, fuel, and vehicle wear and tear I think that each reflector ends up costing roughly $42.50 glued to the road. And that isn't considering the management and engineering staff that designed this procedure.
So imagine how many it takes to change a light bulb.
I thought this was gonna be a joke
(07-31-2013 07:17 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote: [ -> ]I thought this was gonna be a joke
Sadly it is and it isn't.
(07-31-2013 01:59 AM)99Tiger Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are clueless.
Please expand on this, inquiring minds want to know.
(07-31-2013 08:34 AM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2013 01:59 AM)99Tiger Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are clueless.
Please expand on this, inquiring minds want to know.
99 thinks the city govt is too small
(07-30-2013 11:18 PM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ]Actually they had one small SUV (RAV I think) with roof mounted flashing lights driving out front in the middle turning lane, then a large truck with these two guys in seats on the driver's side, one just behind the cab and the other just behind the rear axle that were riding maybe 6 inches off the ground to make it easy to place the reflectors and pylons, then another RAV with flashing lights just behind them and then followed by a two ton truck with a big flashing arrow sign directing traffic to go around the work crew. So 4 vehicles and 6 workers. Excellent use of resources. With the cost of labor, insurance, fuel, and vehicle wear and tear I think that each reflector ends up costing roughly $42.50 glued to the road. And that isn't considering the management and engineering staff that designed this procedure.
So imagine how many it takes to change a light bulb.
I am sure that they are probably following some kind of safety guideline setup by OSHA.
(07-31-2013 09:33 AM)mairving Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2013 11:18 PM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ]Actually they had one small SUV (RAV I think) with roof mounted flashing lights driving out front in the middle turning lane, then a large truck with these two guys in seats on the driver's side, one just behind the cab and the other just behind the rear axle that were riding maybe 6 inches off the ground to make it easy to place the reflectors and pylons, then another RAV with flashing lights just behind them and then followed by a two ton truck with a big flashing arrow sign directing traffic to go around the work crew. So 4 vehicles and 6 workers. Excellent use of resources. With the cost of labor, insurance, fuel, and vehicle wear and tear I think that each reflector ends up costing roughly $42.50 glued to the road. And that isn't considering the management and engineering staff that designed this procedure.
So imagine how many it takes to change a light bulb.
I am sure that they are probably following some kind of safety guideline setup by OSHA.
...and we have a winner...
I don't know the purpose of the second SUV, but the rest of that is REQUIRED.
...of course, when has this board ever let reality and common sense get in the way of a good whinefest...
(07-31-2013 09:01 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2013 08:34 AM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2013 01:59 AM)99Tiger Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are clueless.
Please expand on this, inquiring minds want to know.
99 thinks the city govt is too small
Right now, it almost is...or maybe it's apportioned poorly. If they cut any more people, stuff just won't get done...but that angle never gets presented because all people care about is their bottom line.
It's ironic...or is it moronic...People roast City Hall for essentially taking too much money to operate (and I will never argue with the assertion there is some waste) while our news media runs stories about how they're failing to keep up the infrastructure...which, of course, takes money.
(07-31-2013 01:04 PM)99Tiger Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2013 09:33 AM)mairving Wrote: [ -> ] (07-30-2013 11:18 PM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ]Actually they had one small SUV (RAV I think) with roof mounted flashing lights driving out front in the middle turning lane, then a large truck with these two guys in seats on the driver's side, one just behind the cab and the other just behind the rear axle that were riding maybe 6 inches off the ground to make it easy to place the reflectors and pylons, then another RAV with flashing lights just behind them and then followed by a two ton truck with a big flashing arrow sign directing traffic to go around the work crew. So 4 vehicles and 6 workers. Excellent use of resources. With the cost of labor, insurance, fuel, and vehicle wear and tear I think that each reflector ends up costing roughly $42.50 glued to the road. And that isn't considering the management and engineering staff that designed this procedure.
So imagine how many it takes to change a light bulb.
I am sure that they are probably following some kind of safety guideline setup by OSHA.
...and we have a winner...
I don't know the purpose of the second SUV, but the rest of that is REQUIRED.
...of course, when has this board ever let reality and common sense get in the way of a good whinefest...
OSHA ain't no joke. You violate their rules and you had better pepper ur angus
Safety man is important and in traffic even more so. Same thing with someone in a manhole. Gotta have a guy at the top as a safety man to winch you out if you pass out in the hole. This stuff is literally life or death.
In traffic it's even a bigger deal in Memphis with our reputation for driving.
(07-31-2013 01:59 AM)99Tiger Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are clueless.
Wish I could rep individual posts
So you're defending our local government inefficiency by mentioning federal government bureaucracy? Makes sense
(07-31-2013 02:58 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ]So you're defending our local government inefficiency by mentioning federal government bureaucracy? Makes sense
Where did someone do that?
(07-31-2013 03:53 PM)99Tiger Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2013 02:58 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ]So you're defending our local government inefficiency by mentioning federal government bureaucracy? Makes sense
Where did someone do that?
You did by saying OSHA required all those ppl and resources to complete a simple task.
(07-31-2013 04:31 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2013 03:53 PM)99Tiger Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2013 02:58 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ]So you're defending our local government inefficiency by mentioning federal government bureaucracy? Makes sense
Where did someone do that?
You did by saying OSHA required all those ppl and resources to complete a simple task.
Are you kidding or are you just that dense? Placing reflectors on an active road is a simple task with a lot of inherent dangers. Yes, that is what is required by OSHA and the MUTCD. Don't follow those guidelines and your ass is up a creek without a paddle.
I wouldn't expect a nurse to understand the requirements placed on construction-related activities...but I would expect you to realize you have no clue what you're talking about and STFU. Then again, this is mt.org, and everyone here knows everything about everything, right?
Here, I'll put it simply. Unless you're going to shut the road completely down (and who wants that?) you have to follow that procedure. It's documented and if someone gets hurt or killed because the City (or any private contractor) doesn't follow the rules, the combined expense from fines from OSHA and payouts from lawsuits would cause your jaw to drop. The group responsible for street markings is short on people...they're not going to throw that manpower at the project unless they have to.
(07-31-2013 04:31 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2013 03:53 PM)99Tiger Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2013 02:58 PM)homefry20 Wrote: [ -> ]So you're defending our local government inefficiency by mentioning federal government bureaucracy? Makes sense
Where did someone do that?
You did by saying OSHA required all those ppl and resources to complete a simple task.
It's a wonder to me that we don't have more construction workers injured by idiot drivers even when the City or contractor does everything by the book. OSHA can seem to go overboard on some of their requirements, but they don't just sit around and pull this stuff out of their ass. Behind every regulation such as these you will find instances where people were hurt or killed on the job.
Tell you what. Next time a construction worker gets maimed or killed by an idiot driver, we'll let you notify their family. Or better yet, if "all those people" are such a waste, we'll give you a bag of reflectors and a bucket of glue and see how long you survive.