It may be the best we can do to guaranty that the champions of both leagues have something worthwhile to play for.
Neither league needs to have its own championship game. Just let the regular season have more meaning and let the AAC champ play the MWC champ every year at a neutral site for ( if it can be had) one 'AQ' spot.
Call it the Champions Bowl; get a sponsor like Fed Ex or some beer company and play it in Dallas or Saint Louis or somewhere kinda in the middle.
I'd think the winner of this game would be at least top 20 maybe even top 10-12 most years.....
I like this idea. #OccupyChampsBowl.... wait it doesn't work that way does it?
So officially be ok with 2nd class status?
(07-23-2013 06:29 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...onference/
Too late. PAC just signed up for the Las Vegas Bowl opposite the MWC.
So basically the Las Vegas Bowl is still @ best igoing to be behind the Military Bowl...both have the same payout...
Make a huge push for the Imdependence Bowl and work on the Aresco Bowl...
(07-23-2013 06:36 PM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 06:29 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...onference/
Too late. PAC just signed up for the Las Vegas Bowl opposite the MWC.
So basically the Las Vegas Bowl is still @ best igoing to be behind the Military Bowl...both have the same payout...
Make a huge push for the Imdependence Bowl and work on the Aresco Bowl...
Independence Bowl is a bad bowl that might not even retain any of it's P5 tie ins, and considering anything Aresco has said turns out to not be true I would assume there's not going to ever be an Aresco bowl.
(07-23-2013 06:01 PM)PGPirate Wrote: [ -> ]So officially be ok with 2nd class status?
Not ok with it but trying to work with it. If the AAC wants back 'in' then our champ would have to beat the MWC champ 2 out of 3 years on average.
(07-23-2013 06:39 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 06:36 PM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 06:29 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...onference/
Too late. PAC just signed up for the Las Vegas Bowl opposite the MWC.
So basically the Las Vegas Bowl is still @ best igoing to be behind the Military Bowl...both have the same payout...
Make a huge push for the Imdependence Bowl and work on the Aresco Bowl...
Independence Bowl is a bad bowl that might not even retain any of it's P5 tie ins, and considering anything Aresco has said turns out to not be true I would assume there's not going to ever be an Aresco bowl.
At this point really can't be picky...Independence Bowl vs. a Lower Tier P5 Team or the 2/3 MWC is a good option given what out there...
(07-24-2013 07:11 AM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 06:39 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 06:36 PM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 06:29 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...onference/
Too late. PAC just signed up for the Las Vegas Bowl opposite the MWC.
So basically the Las Vegas Bowl is still @ best igoing to be behind the Military Bowl...both have the same payout...
Make a huge push for the Imdependence Bowl and work on the Aresco Bowl...
Independence Bowl is a bad bowl that might not even retain any of it's P5 tie ins, and considering anything Aresco has said turns out to not be true I would assume there's not going to ever be an Aresco bowl.
At this point really can't be picky...Independence Bowl vs. a Lower Tier P5 Team or the 2/3 MWC is a good option given what out there...
No it's not. It's a horrible location and it's going to have such a low P5 pick even if it keeps one that it will end up being backup C-USA/Sun-Belt filler. If this league is going to be stuck with bad bowls at least make them in good locations. I'd rather have the New Orleans Bowl than Independence.
(07-24-2013 07:11 AM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 06:39 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 06:36 PM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 06:29 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...onference/
Too late. PAC just signed up for the Las Vegas Bowl opposite the MWC.
So basically the Las Vegas Bowl is still @ best igoing to be behind the Military Bowl...both have the same payout...
Make a huge push for the Imdependence Bowl and work on the Aresco Bowl...
Independence Bowl is a bad bowl that might not even retain any of it's P5 tie ins, and considering anything Aresco has said turns out to not be true I would assume there's not going to ever be an Aresco bowl.
At this point really can't be picky...Independence Bowl vs. a Lower Tier P5 Team or the 2/3 MWC is a good option given what out there...
yup...beggars can't be choosers
this conference is going to be in trouble...with the rest of the G5
We are clearly second class status, the TV contract made that very very clear. I am all for proving otherwise but it will be a tough road over the next few years. We just need to have all 12 programs committed to grow and improve, that depth will be our greatest selling point when it's time to re-negotiate.
(07-24-2013 08:21 AM)wavefan12 Wrote: [ -> ]We are clearly second class status, the TV contract made that very very clear. I am all for proving otherwise but it will be a tough road over the next few years. We just need to have all 12 programs committed to grow and improve, that depth will be our greatest selling point when it's time to re-negotiate.
I appreciate your gusto and would like to see us all do well but here is reality...we are gonna get what, 1.8mil/yr from tv (or whatever) and the P5 folks get 12-21mil/yr from tv. Multiply this out over 10 years and you can see that the gap only gets wider...which means each year passing makes it harder to do what you want to do.
The MWC and AAC both have something in common: both are being marginalized by the P5 who want their own division within the NCAA framework.
The AAC #1 vs a BiG10 bottom feeder in the AF Bowl? That is a frigging insult. But the Mountain West is in the same boat. The PAC has downgraded the Las Vegas bowl from #5 to their #7 to face our #1 even though we have pounded their #4-5 teams over the years.
We don't have to take it from the P5.
How about a bowl with the AAC #1 vs MWC #1 with the bowl location rotating every other year between an eastern and western location. Perhaps Las Vegas and the new bowl Aresco proposes in Florida? We are also looking at the new Christmas Bowl in LA as a tie-in. And don't play for the privilege of gaining the auto spot to a P5 bowl. This should just be an AAC/MW showdown only. And in the years one conference wins the auto bid, then send their #2 to the game.
That game would be of interest nationally as an East-West champions showdown and even be more of a draw than our individual conference championship games. And it would give both conferences a legit bowl game that could rival or surpass a good many of the P5 bowls like the Sun Bowl, Kraft Hunger Bowl, and Belk bowls.
(07-24-2013 08:49 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2013 08:21 AM)wavefan12 Wrote: [ -> ]We are clearly second class status, the TV contract made that very very clear. I am all for proving otherwise but it will be a tough road over the next few years. We just need to have all 12 programs committed to grow and improve, that depth will be our greatest selling point when it's time to re-negotiate.
I appreciate your gusto and would like to see us all do well but here is reality...we are gonna get what, 1.8mil/yr from tv (or whatever) and the P5 folks get 12-21mil/yr from tv. Multiply this out over 10 years and you can see that the gap only gets wider...which means each year passing makes it harder to do what you want to do.
Have been saying the same thing whenever people bring up "just win and prove it on the field" stuff. However, there are several programs with true room for growth (who are also investing more than they had over the past 10-20 years like Hou, SMU and Tulane....and/or continue to grow as a newer program like UCF/USF) and any additional funds committed should pay off via the gates and NCAA credits. Add that to that fact that Cincy, UConn and USF do have money in the bank and are highly motivated for a P5 spot. Also simple logistics as there are only so many scholarships/opportunities available and the AAC can still provide a player with plenty of exposure, so there is still legit hope to improve as a conference. Obviously right now the key is fend off the MWC for the top of the G5 and maybe just maybe cut into the bottom dwellers of the P5.
I am more pessimistic than most in regards to the future of the AAC, but there is a path to real improvement when it comes to renegotiating the TV contracts and maybe hauling in some solid NCAA credits. The final saving grace is that program now recognize that one of the only paths to profitability and sustainability is a P5 invite. Right now the landscape is changing so fast and even schools like Tulane belive they have an outside shot at a P5 slot. This may result in across the board willingness to go in the red simply in ana attempt to gain an invite (not necessarily for the betterment of the conference) which in turn will help all of our bottom lines via a renogotiated TV deal, better bowls, NCAA credits etc.
(07-23-2013 05:19 PM)bluebacker Wrote: [ -> ]It may be the best we can do to guaranty that the champions of both leagues have something worthwhile to play for.
Neither league needs to have its own championship game. Just let the regular season have more meaning and let the AAC champ play the MWC champ every year at a neutral site for ( if it can be had) one 'AQ' spot.
Call it the Champions Bowl; get a sponsor like Fed Ex or some beer company and play it in Dallas or Saint Louis or somewhere kinda in the middle.
I'd think the winner of this game would be at least top 20 maybe even top 10-12 most years.....
thats really dumb and something that would never happen anyway because CUSA and sunbelt, although they'll likely never get access bowl, would never allow it. Why should we pit our undefeated champion against a possible 2 loss MWC team for the Access bowl, when our champion would have gotten it anyway (or vice versa).
(07-24-2013 09:59 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 05:19 PM)bluebacker Wrote: [ -> ]It may be the best we can do to guaranty that the champions of both leagues have something worthwhile to play for.
Neither league needs to have its own championship game. Just let the regular season have more meaning and let the AAC champ play the MWC champ every year at a neutral site for ( if it can be had) one 'AQ' spot.
Call it the Champions Bowl; get a sponsor like Fed Ex or some beer company and play it in Dallas or Saint Louis or somewhere kinda in the middle.
I'd think the winner of this game would be at least top 20 maybe even top 10-12 most years.....
thats really dumb and something that would never happen anyway because CUSA and sunbelt, although they'll likely never get access bowl, would never allow it. Why should we pit our undefeated champion against a possible 2 loss MWC team for the Access bowl, when our champion would have gotten it anyway (or vice versa).
There are certainly some risks but it would work both ways (the P5 championship games offer the same risk some years). Yeah the other three G5 leagues would not agree but if its negotiated the next time around there's not much they could do. P5 +AAC + MWC = majority. I'm just looking for a way back 'in' because at this point we're essentially out.
(07-24-2013 10:26 AM)bluebacker Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2013 09:59 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 05:19 PM)bluebacker Wrote: [ -> ]It may be the best we can do to guaranty that the champions of both leagues have something worthwhile to play for.
Neither league needs to have its own championship game. Just let the regular season have more meaning and let the AAC champ play the MWC champ every year at a neutral site for ( if it can be had) one 'AQ' spot.
Call it the Champions Bowl; get a sponsor like Fed Ex or some beer company and play it in Dallas or Saint Louis or somewhere kinda in the middle.
I'd think the winner of this game would be at least top 20 maybe even top 10-12 most years.....
thats really dumb and something that would never happen anyway because CUSA and sunbelt, although they'll likely never get access bowl, would never allow it. Why should we pit our undefeated champion against a possible 2 loss MWC team for the Access bowl, when our champion would have gotten it anyway (or vice versa).
There are certainly some risks but it would work both ways (the P5 championship games offer the same risk some years). Yeah the other three G5 leagues would not agree but if its negotiated the next time around there's not much they could do. P5 +AAC + MWC = majority. I'm just looking for a way back 'in' because at this point we're essentially out.
this wouldn't change anything, we already have access to the access bowl. How would playing another game before getting access to the access bowl get us back in? The end result would be exactly the same. Do you understand that G5 teams already will have a guaranteed spot in the access bowl--AQ bowl as you say it?
(07-24-2013 10:44 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2013 10:26 AM)bluebacker Wrote: [ -> ] (07-24-2013 09:59 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2013 05:19 PM)bluebacker Wrote: [ -> ]It may be the best we can do to guaranty that the champions of both leagues have something worthwhile to play for.
Neither league needs to have its own championship game. Just let the regular season have more meaning and let the AAC champ play the MWC champ every year at a neutral site for ( if it can be had) one 'AQ' spot.
Call it the Champions Bowl; get a sponsor like Fed Ex or some beer company and play it in Dallas or Saint Louis or somewhere kinda in the middle.
I'd think the winner of this game would be at least top 20 maybe even top 10-12 most years.....
thats really dumb and something that would never happen anyway because CUSA and sunbelt, although they'll likely never get access bowl, would never allow it. Why should we pit our undefeated champion against a possible 2 loss MWC team for the Access bowl, when our champion would have gotten it anyway (or vice versa).
There are certainly some risks but it would work both ways (the P5 championship games offer the same risk some years). Yeah the other three G5 leagues would not agree but if its negotiated the next time around there's not much they could do. P5 +AAC + MWC = majority. I'm just looking for a way back 'in' because at this point we're essentially out.
this wouldn't change anything, we already have access to the access bowl. How would playing another game before getting access to the access bowl get us back in? The end result would be exactly the same. Do you understand that G5 teams already will have a guaranteed spot in the access bowl--AQ bowl as you say it?
Yes I do understand that after this season we are a G5 league. I'm trying to figure out how to become a G2 league and then maybe an included league.........
Your forget that, had the new championship playoff arrangement existed last year, Northern Illinois or Utah State may have very well been the G5 representative. Neither was in the AAC/MWC group.
Some type of pre-bowl championship game between the AAC champion and the MWC champion may be needed to ensure a duopoly for the last position - lest Western Michigan go 10-2 with an upset victory over a B1G school to claim the spot.