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To be fair, I didn't get that same impression. He said, "bowl lineup still TBA for American, media rights $ about same, don't have excessive travel costs & keep all sports in same league." For those two, everything on there except bowls made more sense with the Mountain West and the bowls line-up is still work in progress for now.

(07-11-2013 05:19 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]And says Boise and San Diego glad they didn't stick around AAC.

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(07-11-2013 05:22 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, I didn't get that same impression. He said, "bowl lineup still TBA for American, media rights $ about same, don't have excessive travel costs & keep all sports in same league." For those two, everything on there except bowls made more sense with the Mountain West and the bowls line-up is still work in progress for now.

I agree, all McMurphy stated was that the AAC bowl lineup was TBA and with other considerations (travel costs, keeping sports in same league, etc.), they do not regret their choice. Nowhere did he state that the AAC bowl lineup will not be better...

Misleading thread title.

"Bowl lineup still TBA for American" says it all.

Boise is going to make 3 million a year probably. That's more than they would have earned in the AAC and they done have the extensive travel and they don't throw their Olympic sports under a bus. Keep in mind, Boise was going to have to pay about 900K in travel subsidies a year just to be in the modest little Big West conference. The move to stay in the MW makes a lot of sense for them regardless of the final bowl outcome.

SDSU doesn't get as much of a financial boost, but they probably are better off too--especially if the AAC wasn't going to add anymore western teams.

Is it rude to say that Boise isn't concerned with the MWC bowls besides the Las Vegas and maybe Poinsettia? They're not going to be playing in the New Mexico Bowl or Armed Forces Bowl, or substituting for a 5-7 UH in the Hawaii Bowl.

You could always say, though, that AAC + Boise would have had better bowls than AAC or MWC + Boise.

McMurphy's opinions only. Nowhere does he state he is speaking for Boise and SDSU. They probably are glad to be in MWC, despite AAC having (potentially) better bowls. Mainly due to all sports being in one conf.

(07-11-2013 06:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Boise is going to make 3 million a year probably. That's more than they would have earned in the AAC and they done have the extensive travel and they don't throw their Olympic sports under a bus. Keep in mind, Boise was going to have to pay about 900K in travel subsidies a year just to be in the modest little Big West conference. The move to stay in the MW makes a lot of sense for them regardless of the final bowl outcome.

SDSU doesn't get as much of a financial boost, but they probably are better off too--especially if the AAC wasn't going to add anymore western teams.

Tulsa's prez stated that when they joined they would make 3.5-4 mil a year in AAC. Aresco has stated several times AAC revenue is under reported. We have never seen a firm figure for revenues.

Two reasons why they could be happier in the MWC than the AAC:

1) Travel expenses.
2) Easier path to a conference championship.

less travel is obvious, but not having to find a separate home(s) for your other sports is also a big factor, IMO. This way Boise & SDSU can play all sports in the Mtn West.

Staying in the MWC is huge for their non-football sports, specifically basketball. Their programs would have died in the Big West. Eight of eleven MWC members have basketball arenas exceeding 10k in capacity, four of which exceed 15k. The Big West has one of nine members with a capacity exceeding 10k (Hawaii).

(07-11-2013 07:30 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2013 06:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Boise is going to make 3 million a year probably. That's more than they would have earned in the AAC and they done have the extensive travel and they don't throw their Olympic sports under a bus. Keep in mind, Boise was going to have to pay about 900K in travel subsidies a year just to be in the modest little Big West conference. The move to stay in the MW makes a lot of sense for them regardless of the final bowl outcome.

SDSU doesn't get as much of a financial boost, but they probably are better off too--especially if the AAC wasn't going to add anymore western teams.

Tulsa's prez stated that when they joined they would make 3.5-4 mil a year in AAC. Aresco has stated several times AAC revenue is under reported. We have never seen a firm figure for revenues.

I never said what the AAC revenue was, but I'll use your best number.

Keep in mind, Boise was football only. They would not have participated in NCAA basketball credits and would have only received a partial share of media money and exit fees. Whatever the AAC income is, Boise was only going to make about 70% of what the full members make. Same goes for SDSU. So even if we make 4 million each, Boise would have only received 2.8 million. Plus they would be paying 900K in travel subsidies in the Big West. So effectively, Boise would have been netting 1.9 million a year by the most optimistic figures floated by Tulsa.

That doesn't even count the extra travel costs and the demotion of their Olympic sports to the Big West. Without a western all sports AAC western division, the AAC's current media contract just didn't work for Boise. The move was made with the assumption that AAC schools would make at least 6.8 million a year--when we were no where near that number, the original strategy was dead.

(07-11-2013 08:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2013 07:30 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2013 06:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Boise is going to make 3 million a year probably. That's more than they would have earned in the AAC and they done have the extensive travel and they don't throw their Olympic sports under a bus. Keep in mind, Boise was going to have to pay about 900K in travel subsidies a year just to be in the modest little Big West conference. The move to stay in the MW makes a lot of sense for them regardless of the final bowl outcome.

SDSU doesn't get as much of a financial boost, but they probably are better off too--especially if the AAC wasn't going to add anymore western teams.

Tulsa's prez stated that when they joined they would make 3.5-4 mil a year in AAC. Aresco has stated several times AAC revenue is under reported. We have never seen a firm figure for revenues.

I never said what the AAC revenue was, but I'll use your best number.

Keep in mind, Boise was football only. They would not have participated in NCAA basketball credits and would have only received a partial share of media money and exit fees. Whatever the AAC income is, Boise was only going to make about 70% of what the full members make. Same goes for SDSU. So even if we make 4 million each, Boise would have only received 2.8 million. Plus they would be paying 900K in travel subsidies in the Big West. So effectively, Boise would have been netting 1.9 million a year by the most optimistic figures floated by Tulsa.

That doesn't even count the extra travel costs and the demotion of their Olympic sports to the Big West. Without a western all sports AAC western division, the AAC's current media contract just didn't work for Boise. The move was made with the assumption that AAC schools would make at least 6.8 million a year--when we were no where near that number, the original strategy was dead.

Unless y'all were willing to kick in a significant bribe to Boise to stay, which you weren't.

(07-11-2013 07:14 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]Is it rude to say that Boise isn't concerned with the MWC bowls besides the Las Vegas and maybe Poinsettia? They're not going to be playing in the New Mexico Bowl or Armed Forces Bowl, or substituting for a 5-7 UH in the Hawaii Bowl.

I could see Boise in a Hawaii Bowl every so often. If they're not cracking into the CFP, playing in the same two games every year will get old. They won't want to play in the Hawaii Bowl in a year when they play a regular-season game there, but Boise will have only one regular-season game at Hawaii every four years.

(07-11-2013 08:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2013 07:30 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2013 06:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Boise is going to make 3 million a year probably. That's more than they would have earned in the AAC and they done have the extensive travel and they don't throw their Olympic sports under a bus. Keep in mind, Boise was going to have to pay about 900K in travel subsidies a year just to be in the modest little Big West conference. The move to stay in the MW makes a lot of sense for them regardless of the final bowl outcome.

SDSU doesn't get as much of a financial boost, but they probably are better off too--especially if the AAC wasn't going to add anymore western teams.

Tulsa's prez stated that when they joined they would make 3.5-4 mil a year in AAC. Aresco has stated several times AAC revenue is under reported. We have never seen a firm figure for revenues.

I never said what the AAC revenue was, but I'll use your best number.

Keep in mind, Boise was football only. They would not have participated in NCAA basketball credits and would have only received a partial share of media money and exit fees. Whatever the AAC income is, Boise was only going to make about 70% of what the full members make. Same goes for SDSU. So even if we make 4 million each, Boise would have only received 2.8 million. Plus they would be paying 900K in travel subsidies in the Big West. So effectively, Boise would have been netting 1.9 million a year by the most optimistic figures floated by Tulsa.

That doesn't even count the extra travel costs and the demotion of their Olympic sports to the Big West. Without a western all sports AAC western division, the AAC's current media contract just didn't work for Boise. The move was made with the assumption that AAC schools would make at least 6.8 million a year--when we were no where near that number, the original strategy was dead.

One thing your forgetting, AAC/BE TV money would been greater than it currently is had Boise and SDSU stayed in BE. How much more, we'll never know. We're using AAC figures based on a league currently without them.

(07-11-2013 05:19 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]https://mobile.twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/...9385831424

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You posting this drivel on bathroom walls too? Might as well, you've posted it everywhere else....

(07-11-2013 09:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2013 08:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2013 07:30 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-11-2013 06:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Boise is going to make 3 million a year probably. That's more than they would have earned in the AAC and they done have the extensive travel and they don't throw their Olympic sports under a bus. Keep in mind, Boise was going to have to pay about 900K in travel subsidies a year just to be in the modest little Big West conference. The move to stay in the MW makes a lot of sense for them regardless of the final bowl outcome.

SDSU doesn't get as much of a financial boost, but they probably are better off too--especially if the AAC wasn't going to add anymore western teams.

Tulsa's prez stated that when they joined they would make 3.5-4 mil a year in AAC. Aresco has stated several times AAC revenue is under reported. We have never seen a firm figure for revenues.

I never said what the AAC revenue was, but I'll use your best number.

Keep in mind, Boise was football only. They would not have participated in NCAA basketball credits and would have only received a partial share of media money and exit fees. Whatever the AAC income is, Boise was only going to make about 70% of what the full members make. Same goes for SDSU. So even if we make 4 million each, Boise would have only received 2.8 million. Plus they would be paying 900K in travel subsidies in the Big West. So effectively, Boise would have been netting 1.9 million a year by the most optimistic figures floated by Tulsa.

That doesn't even count the extra travel costs and the demotion of their Olympic sports to the Big West. Without a western all sports AAC western division, the AAC's current media contract just didn't work for Boise. The move was made with the assumption that AAC schools would make at least 6.8 million a year--when we were no where near that number, the original strategy was dead.

One thing your forgetting, AAC/BE TV money would been greater than it currently is had Boise and SDSU stayed in BE. How much more, we'll never know. We're using AAC figures based on a league currently without them.

I do think the money would have been better with Boise. My preference was an aggressive all sports westward push. I think if we had added Fresno, New Mexico, and UNLV to go with Boise and SDSU as all sports members, we would have made more money and been a more relevant league. Not only that, but I think we would have won the non-AQ slot so often that we would have been seen as a quasi-AQ league. It think it would have been a pretty good basketball league with UNLV, New Mexico, and SDSU out west. We could have even added VCU in the east and BYU in the west as Olympic only members. That league would have 8 bids most years.

(07-11-2013 05:19 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]https://mobile.twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/...9385831424

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Another MAC attack on the AAC with this value menu thread that you started....

Seriously?
Talk about stretching something for effect.
The American will be fine. Perhaps now, once all this conference realignment stuff settles down, The AAC will be able to grow into what The Big East has never been: a stable conference. Like Mick Cronin pointed out in the ESPN article. Most kids don't care what conference you are in. They are more concerned about how you can help them reach their dreams of making it to the next level. Most recruits can't tell you whose in a conference.

The reality all this conference realignment stuff is for the fans and media. It's the opportunity for the media have something to talk about while fans point fingers at each other.
CJ