CSNbbs

I think adding a comment section to newspaper articles is the downfall of civilization.

It looks like one commenter didn't get chosen for that job opportunity that he wanted.

As much as I agree with the article and support UAB athletics, the point would have been better made without all the sports references and by emphasizing UAB the institution more.

You all need to stop going down the rabbit hole that is the red-herring of this debate... the economics/whether the team makes any money. You are going to lose that argument, but it is irrelevant.

That isn't the issue. The issue is violation of fiduciary duties.

Question: Under the same circumstances, would an independent BOT approve an on campus stadium?
If yes, the board has a conflict of interest.

The economic question is a red-herring. Does the new fitness center pay for itself? Does the on campus baseball field pay for itself? (Or the baseball team?) Is the new student center going to pay for itself? Does the library pay for itself? Does UAB really need a cafeteria when there are private restaurants that students could walk to? Do students really need air conditioning when you could save money and open the windows? Why even have buildings when you could just sit in the mini-park? How far are you going to take that?

The mission of college athletics is not to be a source of revenue. That is a fairly recent occurrence and one that only happens at a minority of institutions that have athletic teams. The amateur athletic programs at colleges (and high schools for that matter) exist as an extra-curricular activity for students to participate in, and as entertainment for other students and alumni. Period.

A stadium is really just another campus amenity - albeit an expensive one. Any BOT that was actually loyal to a school (like UAB) whose arguably weakest characteristics include student and alumni loyalty and sense of connection to the school/campus would, however, be chomping at the bit to approve it.

She makes some strong points.

(07-09-2013 01:33 PM)legalblazer Wrote: [ -> ]You all need to stop going down the rabbit hole that is the red-herring of this debate... the economics/whether the team makes any money. You are going to lose that argument, but it is irrelevant.

That isn't the issue. The issue is violation of fiduciary duties.

Question: Under the same circumstances, would an independent BOT approve an on campus stadium?
If yes, the board has a conflict of interest.

The economic question is a red-herring. Does the new fitness center pay for itself? Does the on campus baseball field pay for itself? (Or the baseball team?) Is the new student center going to pay for itself? Does the library pay for itself? Does UAB really need a cafeteria when there are private restaurants that students could walk to? Do students really need air conditioning when you could save money and open the windows? Why even have buildings when you could just sit in the mini-park? How far are you going to take that?

The mission of college athletics is not to be a source of revenue. That is a fairly recent occurrence and one that only happens at a minority of institutions that have athletic teams. The amateur athletic programs at colleges (and high schools for that matter) exist as an extra-curricular activity for students to participate in, and as entertainment for other students and alumni. Period.

A stadium is really just another campus amenity - albeit an expensive one. Any BOT that was actually loyal to a school (like UAB) whose arguably weakest characteristics include student and alumni loyalty and sense of connection to the school/campus would, however, be chomping at the bit to approve it.

Please send this to Finis and PBJ.

(07-09-2013 01:33 PM)legalblazer Wrote: [ -> ]You all need to stop going down the rabbit hole that is the red-herring of this debate... the economics/whether the team makes any money. You are going to lose that argument, but it is irrelevant.

That isn't the issue. The issue is violation of fiduciary duties.

Question: Under the same circumstances, would an independent BOT approve an on campus stadium?
If yes, the board has a conflict of interest.

The economic question is a red-herring. Does the new fitness center pay for itself? Does the on campus baseball field pay for itself? (Or the baseball team?) Is the new student center going to pay for itself? Does the library pay for itself? Does UAB really need a cafeteria when there are private restaurants that students could walk to? Do students really need air conditioning when you could save money and open the windows? Why even have buildings when you could just sit in the mini-park? How far are you going to take that?

The mission of college athletics is not to be a source of revenue. That is a fairly recent occurrence and one that only happens at a minority of institutions that have athletic teams. The amateur athletic programs at colleges (and high schools for that matter) exist as an extra-curricular activity for students to participate in, and as entertainment for other students and alumni. Period.

A stadium is really just another campus amenity - albeit an expensive one. Any BOT that was actually loyal to a school (like UAB) whose arguably weakest characteristics include student and alumni loyalty and sense of connection to the school/campus would, however, be chomping at the bit to approve it.

These are strong points. I regret the loss of the little "+3" button for instant rep points.

Agreed Brother 58. Good points legal...do all of the new houses on Tuscaloosa's Sorostitute Row pay for themselves? Maybe, if you're an investor in Anheuser-Busch and also Saban's daughter's attorney.

Is that damn $15 million "waterfall" they're putting in their football team's locker room going to pay for itself???!!!

(07-09-2013 01:33 PM)legalblazer Wrote: [ -> ]You all need to stop going down the rabbit hole that is the red-herring of this debate... the economics/whether the team makes any money. You are going to lose that argument, but it is irrelevant.

That isn't the issue. The issue is violation of fiduciary duties.

Question: Under the same circumstances, would an independent BOT approve an on campus stadium?
If yes, the board has a conflict of interest.

The economic question is a red-herring. Does the new fitness center pay for itself? Does the on campus baseball field pay for itself? (Or the baseball team?) Is the new student center going to pay for itself? Does the library pay for itself? Does UAB really need a cafeteria when there are private restaurants that students could walk to? Do students really need air conditioning when you could save money and open the windows? Why even have buildings when you could just sit in the mini-park? How far are you going to take that?

The mission of college athletics is not to be a source of revenue. That is a fairly recent occurrence and one that only happens at a minority of institutions that have athletic teams. The amateur athletic programs at colleges (and high schools for that matter) exist as an extra-curricular activity for students to participate in, and as entertainment for other students and alumni. Period.

A stadium is really just another campus amenity - albeit an expensive one. Any BOT that was actually loyal to a school (like UAB) whose arguably weakest characteristics include student and alumni loyalty and sense of connection to the school/campus would, however, be chomping at the bit to approve it.

That is an excellent post
you need to post it if not alreeady done
and repost it because few people dont read more them 10 post ...like me :)

Interesting article...I just tendered my reply about 30 minutes ago.

Ironically, yesterday, one of my work associates is scheduled to be engaged in a class debate somewhere on UAB's campus tomorrow morning...The instructor picked the topic: Why UAB should (or should not) have an on-campus football stadium...Needless to say, it raised my life force, so much so, that I offered up an argument in writing that one of the debaters (who was selected to be on the opposing side of the issue, but is actually in favor of the stadium himself)will submit in class and give to the moderator/instructor for consideration. Those of you who know me, know where I stand on this, and I let's just say that my "manifesto" was somewhat spirited. So was the young man's opening statement, even though he is pro-stadium, you wouldn't know from what he wrote...

It's already, according to the young man I tendered it to, raised the level of anticipation and excitement in his class, they can't wait to get at it tomorrow. I wish I could be there in person to see it unfold.

Germane to the stadium & BOT topic.

Quote:"I think a nice stadium would just add to everything else exciting that's going on at ETSU." Lt. Gov. Ramsey said. "That's not going to be a problem getting it approved. It won't be a problem."

The Tennessee Board of Regents and ETSU are requesting the seven-member panel approve the project, budget, scope, sources of funding and proceeding with the process to select a designer.

"I think it's justifiable, I really do," Lt. Gov. Ramsey said. "College is about an experience. It's about the atmosphere."

http://www.wjhl.com/story/22805246/etsu-...ion-agenda

Maybe they should take the "UAB" out of their discussion & discuss why a college in South Dakota should get their own on campus stadium.

Once everyone realizes that South Dakota should get their own stadium, then you should be able to substitute UAB for South Dakota.

& no one should be allowed to mention the word Alabama in any of the discussion including Alabama Board of Trustees, the University of Alabama, etc.

(07-10-2013 02:08 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote: [ -> ]Germane to the stadium & BOT topic.

Quote:"I think a nice stadium would just add to everything else exciting that's going on at ETSU." Lt. Gov. Ramsey said. "That's not going to be a problem getting it approved. It won't be a problem."

The Tennessee Board of Regents and ETSU are requesting the seven-member panel approve the project, budget, scope, sources of funding and proceeding with the process to select a designer.

"I think it's justifiable, I really do," Lt. Gov. Ramsey said. "College is about an experience. It's about the atmosphere."

http://www.wjhl.com/story/22805246/etsu-...ion-agenda

The Germans got nothing to do with this.

(07-10-2013 02:06 PM)Matrix Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting article...I just tendered my reply about 30 minutes ago.

Ironically, yesterday, one of my work associates is scheduled to be engaged in a class debate somewhere on UAB's campus tomorrow morning...The instructor picked the topic: Why UAB should (or should not) have an on-campus football stadium...Needless to say, it raised my life force, so much so, that I offered up an argument in writing that one of the debaters (who was selected to be on the opposing side of the issue, but is actually in favor of the stadium himself)will submit in class and give to the moderator/instructor for consideration. Those of you who know me, know where I stand on this, and I let's just say that my "manifesto" was somewhat spirited. So was the young man's opening statement, even though he is pro-stadium, you wouldn't know from what he wrote...

It's already, according to the young man I tendered it to, raised the level of anticipation and excitement in his class, they can't wait to get at it tomorrow. I wish I could be there in person to see it unfold.

I got the feedback on the results of that classroom debate this past Friday...The "Anti-Stadium" debaters won...

(07-15-2013 11:15 AM)Matrix Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2013 02:06 PM)Matrix Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting article...I just tendered my reply about 30 minutes ago.

Ironically, yesterday, one of my work associates is scheduled to be engaged in a class debate somewhere on UAB's campus tomorrow morning...The instructor picked the topic: Why UAB should (or should not) have an on-campus football stadium...Needless to say, it raised my life force, so much so, that I offered up an argument in writing that one of the debaters (who was selected to be on the opposing side of the issue, but is actually in favor of the stadium himself)will submit in class and give to the moderator/instructor for consideration. Those of you who know me, know where I stand on this, and I let's just say that my "manifesto" was somewhat spirited. So was the young man's opening statement, even though he is pro-stadium, you wouldn't know from what he wrote...

It's already, according to the young man I tendered it to, raised the level of anticipation and excitement in his class, they can't wait to get at it tomorrow. I wish I could be there in person to see it unfold.

I got the feedback on the results of that classroom debate this past Friday...The "Anti-Stadium" debaters won...

Do you have any details regarding the debate?

(07-16-2013 12:14 AM)KevMo4UAB Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-15-2013 11:15 AM)Matrix Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-10-2013 02:06 PM)Matrix Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting article...I just tendered my reply about 30 minutes ago.

Ironically, yesterday, one of my work associates is scheduled to be engaged in a class debate somewhere on UAB's campus tomorrow morning...The instructor picked the topic: Why UAB should (or should not) have an on-campus football stadium...Needless to say, it raised my life force, so much so, that I offered up an argument in writing that one of the debaters (who was selected to be on the opposing side of the issue, but is actually in favor of the stadium himself)will submit in class and give to the moderator/instructor for consideration. Those of you who know me, know where I stand on this, and I let's just say that my "manifesto" was somewhat spirited. So was the young man's opening statement, even though he is pro-stadium, you wouldn't know from what he wrote...

It's already, according to the young man I tendered it to, raised the level of anticipation and excitement in his class, they can't wait to get at it tomorrow. I wish I could be there in person to see it unfold.

I got the feedback on the results of that classroom debate this past Friday...The "Anti-Stadium" debaters won...

Do you have any details regarding the debate?

Only that the debaters that were supposed be arguing in favor of the project were lethargic, uninvolved and somewhat disinterested/apathetic in their presentation and delivery. I offered up a typewritten letter of sorts expressing my stance on the issue and why, while the ones speaking against the stadium used in addition to their opinions, brought up written information and references/sources to explain why it shouldn't be constructed, although some of their opinions in the debate seemed to center around the fact that UAB Football has not enjoyed any consistent success on the field in terms of wins & losses, which in turn, is why attendance is where it is. There are plans under way to do another segment of "Unleash The Dragon" on BlazeRadio about a week before UAB kicks off against Troy, and the debaters that won last week were invited on the air to share the experience and take on questions from myself, perhaps our co-host and maybe callers/tweeters on the air. I'm awaiting their answer...

Were some of them masters at debating?