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(03-24-2016 05:49 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
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(03-24-2016 12:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]If Oklahoma and Florida State are on the table at the same time then I'm still betting we'll have to take Oklahoma State.

At that point, we might as well take West Virginia to get a slice of the Mid-Atlantic. The ACC can survive. The Big 12's days would be numbered and how exactly it disintegrates, I'm not sure.

- Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU

- Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

- Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia

Maybe then the B1G takes Kansas and UConn

That's a fairly nice set up isn't it?

I know it is old and the metrics have shifted, but I just reviewed MrSECs "Expounding on Expansion" and it kind of validated for me that WVU doesn't bring enough to the table for the SEC.

His metrics also did not consider the North Carolina Schools, so in a new round of expansion, they might not be as helpful, but he found that OK and Virginia were the top remaining non-Texas/ND options for the SEC.

Florida State came right next, followed by Maryland (to Big 10 since the report) and Virginia Tech.

At this point I don't know how either the Big 10 or the SEC views UNC/Duke/NC State, especially with UNCs academic issues recently.

If both Big 10 and SEC went to 18, I could easily see:

SEC: Oklahoma, FSU, one of Virginia/VTech and one of UNC/Duke
Big 10: Kansas, one of Virginia/VTech, one of UNC/Duke, + 1?

My guess would be that Duke would want to go with Virginia, which might mean that SEC goes VTech/UNC, but I don't know.

The +1 for Big 10 is very limited. I know it doesn't have to be AAU, but that might be where they start: Georgia Tech, Iowa State, Pitt. In this case I'd go with GT.

On the other hand, some "out there" picks: Toronto, NYU, Buffalo, Tulane, Rice from the non-P5 set, and something like Vandy/Mizzou from the P5 could be dark horses (not realistic I know!)

That would leave ACC with 8 schools (gone are FSU, VTech, Virginia, UNC, Duke, and GT) and the remainder could then combine with Big 12 for a third 18 team conference, or take a leftover group + UConn/Cincy, etc if Texas and friends leave for the PAC 16.

I know the Irish fans say never, but if Virginia and Duke headed to the Big 10 with Kansas and we were moving to a P4 where the champions were the CFP representatives, I expect Notre Dame to have to join fully somewhere. With Virginia and Duke in the fold I think their resistance gives into Big 10 membership, but only under those circumstances.

With no ACC and the PAC a continent away, I think they take the Big 10 over the SEC don't you?

Absolutely. Even though SEC improves academic standing a bit with the new schools, they have no competition compared to Big 10. ND is not a good fit with SEC anyway. I guess I'd have to revise and say ND is 18th school, GT gets left out?
(03-24-2016 05:53 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:49 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:44 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 03:53 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 12:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]If Oklahoma and Florida State are on the table at the same time then I'm still betting we'll have to take Oklahoma State.

At that point, we might as well take West Virginia to get a slice of the Mid-Atlantic. The ACC can survive. The Big 12's days would be numbered and how exactly it disintegrates, I'm not sure.

- Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU

- Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

- Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia

Maybe then the B1G takes Kansas and UConn

That's a fairly nice set up isn't it?

I know it is old and the metrics have shifted, but I just reviewed MrSECs "Expounding on Expansion" and it kind of validated for me that WVU doesn't bring enough to the table for the SEC.

His metrics also did not consider the North Carolina Schools, so in a new round of expansion, they might not be as helpful, but he found that OK and Virginia were the top remaining non-Texas/ND options for the SEC.

Florida State came right next, followed by Maryland (to Big 10 since the report) and Virginia Tech.

At this point I don't know how either the Big 10 or the SEC views UNC/Duke/NC State, especially with UNCs academic issues recently.

If both Big 10 and SEC went to 18, I could easily see:

SEC: Oklahoma, FSU, one of Virginia/VTech and one of UNC/Duke
Big 10: Kansas, one of Virginia/VTech, one of UNC/Duke, + 1?

My guess would be that Duke would want to go with Virginia, which might mean that SEC goes VTech/UNC, but I don't know.

The +1 for Big 10 is very limited. I know it doesn't have to be AAU, but that might be where they start: Georgia Tech, Iowa State, Pitt. In this case I'd go with GT.

On the other hand, some "out there" picks: Toronto, NYU, Buffalo, Tulane, Rice from the non-P5 set, and something like Vandy/Mizzou from the P5 could be dark horses (not realistic I know!)

That would leave ACC with 8 schools (gone are FSU, VTech, Virginia, UNC, Duke, and GT) and the remainder could then combine with Big 12 for a third 18 team conference, or take a leftover group + UConn/Cincy, etc if Texas and friends leave for the PAC 16.

I know the Irish fans say never, but if Virginia and Duke headed to the Big 10 with Kansas and we were moving to a P4 where the champions were the CFP representatives, I expect Notre Dame to have to join fully somewhere. With Virginia and Duke in the fold I think their resistance gives into Big 10 membership, but only under those circumstances.

With no ACC and the PAC a continent away, I think they take the Big 10 over the SEC don't you?

Absolutely. Even though SEC improves academic standing a bit with the new schools, they have no competition compared to Big 10. ND is not a good fit with SEC anyway. I guess I'd have to revise and say ND is 18th school, GT gets left out?

You might even consider this: Virignia, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Notre Dame to the Big 10. North Carolina, Duke, Clemson and Florida State to the SEC.

If we don't move to 20, then I don't see us taking Oklahoma because the Big 12 will be expanding with the leftover ACC schools.

I think we take Clemson in that case because they travel so darned well, they give us 100% of South Carolina, Florida State gives us (with the Gators) 85% of the viewers of college football in Florida, and North Carolina and Duke (who already expressed a desire to move together) give us a very high percentage of North Carolina.

I was talking with a "real Big10" alum the other night and they too are talking about the changing pay models and feel that owning all of Virginia is far more advantageous than only owning 50% of it. If they don't take Kansas (meaning the Big 12 remains) then look for either Syracuse or Connecticut to sew up a larger portion of New York. My thinking is Syracuse as they, like Nebraska, were AAU and lost it, but are very close to regaining the status, more so than Nebraska.
Doubling down on VA makes sense for the B1G. Actually, it makes sense for the SEC as well although I don't expect that to happen.

I'm not sure Notre Dame joins that group, but UVA, VT, Syracuse, and one other could really give them a boon.

With the changing pay model, I actually think West Virginia becomes a little more valuable. Their fan base is spread out over an entire region of the country. They tend to get pretty good ratings. The market is small and the economy is bad which forces a lot of locals to leave for work. Thus they have more fans than their state population would suggest. I don't think they would be bad for the SEC. Of course, I don't think they should be terribly high on the priority list if certain other schools are available.
(12-21-2015 03:38 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]If I were the SEC, It would depend on what my goal was.

For 16: Kansas and Oklahoma
For 18: Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and West Virginia

Kansas for basketball.
Oklahoma for football, basketball, and national appeal.
Texas because it's Texas.
West Virginia for its likeness to SEC programs along with a decent football program and a good basketball program.

I would consider Oklahoma St only if Oklahoma declined.
I would consider Baylor only if Texas declined.
I would not consider TCU or Texas Tech. TCU is football-centric while Baylor has strong football and basketball. Texas is too far away.
I would not consider Kansas St. Their football and basketball are both typically okay, but neither program are as Kansas is to basketball.
I would consider Iowa St if the goal was beyond 18.

(03-24-2016 06:02 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:53 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:49 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:44 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 03:53 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]That's a fairly nice set up isn't it?

I know it is old and the metrics have shifted, but I just reviewed MrSECs "Expounding on Expansion" and it kind of validated for me that WVU doesn't bring enough to the table for the SEC.

His metrics also did not consider the North Carolina Schools, so in a new round of expansion, they might not be as helpful, but he found that OK and Virginia were the top remaining non-Texas/ND options for the SEC.

Florida State came right next, followed by Maryland (to Big 10 since the report) and Virginia Tech.

At this point I don't know how either the Big 10 or the SEC views UNC/Duke/NC State, especially with UNCs academic issues recently.

If both Big 10 and SEC went to 18, I could easily see:

SEC: Oklahoma, FSU, one of Virginia/VTech and one of UNC/Duke
Big 10: Kansas, one of Virginia/VTech, one of UNC/Duke, + 1?

My guess would be that Duke would want to go with Virginia, which might mean that SEC goes VTech/UNC, but I don't know.

The +1 for Big 10 is very limited. I know it doesn't have to be AAU, but that might be where they start: Georgia Tech, Iowa State, Pitt. In this case I'd go with GT.

On the other hand, some "out there" picks: Toronto, NYU, Buffalo, Tulane, Rice from the non-P5 set, and something like Vandy/Mizzou from the P5 could be dark horses (not realistic I know!)

That would leave ACC with 8 schools (gone are FSU, VTech, Virginia, UNC, Duke, and GT) and the remainder could then combine with Big 12 for a third 18 team conference, or take a leftover group + UConn/Cincy, etc if Texas and friends leave for the PAC 16.

I know the Irish fans say never, but if Virginia and Duke headed to the Big 10 with Kansas and we were moving to a P4 where the champions were the CFP representatives, I expect Notre Dame to have to join fully somewhere. With Virginia and Duke in the fold I think their resistance gives into Big 10 membership, but only under those circumstances.

With no ACC and the PAC a continent away, I think they take the Big 10 over the SEC don't you?

Absolutely. Even though SEC improves academic standing a bit with the new schools, they have no competition compared to Big 10. ND is not a good fit with SEC anyway. I guess I'd have to revise and say ND is 18th school, GT gets left out?

You might even consider this: Virignia, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Notre Dame to the Big 10. North Carolina, Duke, Clemson and Florida State to the SEC.

If we don't move to 20, then I don't see us taking Oklahoma because the Big 12 will be expanding with the leftover ACC schools.

I think we take Clemson in that case because they travel so darned well, they give us 100% of South Carolina, Florida State gives us (with the Gators) 85% of the viewers of college football in Florida, and North Carolina and Duke (who already expressed a desire to move together) give us a very high percentage of North Carolina.

I was talking with a "real Big10" alum the other night and they too are talking about the changing pay models and feel that owning all of Virginia is far more advantageous than only owning 50% of it. If they don't take Kansas (meaning the Big 12 remains) then look for either Syracuse or Connecticut to sew up a larger portion of New York. My thinking is Syracuse as they, like Nebraska, were AAU and lost it, but are very close to regaining the status, more so than Nebraska.

Well, if both the ACC and B12 GOR's get challenged in court, I could see another major shift in realignment. My question would be is owning 100% of the state of Virginia, and DC for that matter considering Maryland is also B1G, more valuable in the short and long term projections than grabbing one VA school and getting Kansas? Currently the major money comes from the subscription fees paid by regular cable and satellite fees from in-state users. A smaller percentage of the money conferences are making comes from fees cord cutters are paying to stream these channels at much higher per month rates from various providers.

My big problem with streaming is the reliability of the signal and the quality of the video/audio. Right now I don't mind streaming stuff, but even there I have issues getting Fox Sports to accept my Directv sign-in from time to time and even then there service is unreliable or pretty crappy.

So I guess until some form of Google Fiber with its unrestricted internet speeds and broadband width is available to half of this country, I still see the traditional service providers playing a major factor in rights fees and charges for in-state/in-market schools and less as much on a penetration percentage of that region.
(03-24-2016 11:02 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-21-2015 03:38 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]If I were the SEC, It would depend on what my goal was.

For 16: Kansas and Oklahoma
For 18: Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and West Virginia

Kansas for basketball.
Oklahoma for football, basketball, and national appeal.
Texas because it's Texas.
West Virginia for its likeness to SEC programs along with a decent football program and a good basketball program.

I would consider Oklahoma St only if Oklahoma declined.
I would consider Baylor only if Texas declined.
I would not consider TCU or Texas Tech. TCU is football-centric while Baylor has strong football and basketball. Texas is too far away.
I would not consider Kansas St. Their football and basketball are both typically okay, but neither program are as Kansas is to basketball.
I would consider Iowa St if the goal was beyond 18.

(03-24-2016 06:02 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:53 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:49 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:44 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]I know it is old and the metrics have shifted, but I just reviewed MrSECs "Expounding on Expansion" and it kind of validated for me that WVU doesn't bring enough to the table for the SEC.

His metrics also did not consider the North Carolina Schools, so in a new round of expansion, they might not be as helpful, but he found that OK and Virginia were the top remaining non-Texas/ND options for the SEC.

Florida State came right next, followed by Maryland (to Big 10 since the report) and Virginia Tech.

At this point I don't know how either the Big 10 or the SEC views UNC/Duke/NC State, especially with UNCs academic issues recently.

If both Big 10 and SEC went to 18, I could easily see:

SEC: Oklahoma, FSU, one of Virginia/VTech and one of UNC/Duke
Big 10: Kansas, one of Virginia/VTech, one of UNC/Duke, + 1?

My guess would be that Duke would want to go with Virginia, which might mean that SEC goes VTech/UNC, but I don't know.

The +1 for Big 10 is very limited. I know it doesn't have to be AAU, but that might be where they start: Georgia Tech, Iowa State, Pitt. In this case I'd go with GT.

On the other hand, some "out there" picks: Toronto, NYU, Buffalo, Tulane, Rice from the non-P5 set, and something like Vandy/Mizzou from the P5 could be dark horses (not realistic I know!)

That would leave ACC with 8 schools (gone are FSU, VTech, Virginia, UNC, Duke, and GT) and the remainder could then combine with Big 12 for a third 18 team conference, or take a leftover group + UConn/Cincy, etc if Texas and friends leave for the PAC 16.

I know the Irish fans say never, but if Virginia and Duke headed to the Big 10 with Kansas and we were moving to a P4 where the champions were the CFP representatives, I expect Notre Dame to have to join fully somewhere. With Virginia and Duke in the fold I think their resistance gives into Big 10 membership, but only under those circumstances.

With no ACC and the PAC a continent away, I think they take the Big 10 over the SEC don't you?

Absolutely. Even though SEC improves academic standing a bit with the new schools, they have no competition compared to Big 10. ND is not a good fit with SEC anyway. I guess I'd have to revise and say ND is 18th school, GT gets left out?

You might even consider this: Virignia, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Notre Dame to the Big 10. North Carolina, Duke, Clemson and Florida State to the SEC.

If we don't move to 20, then I don't see us taking Oklahoma because the Big 12 will be expanding with the leftover ACC schools.

I think we take Clemson in that case because they travel so darned well, they give us 100% of South Carolina, Florida State gives us (with the Gators) 85% of the viewers of college football in Florida, and North Carolina and Duke (who already expressed a desire to move together) give us a very high percentage of North Carolina.

I was talking with a "real Big10" alum the other night and they too are talking about the changing pay models and feel that owning all of Virginia is far more advantageous than only owning 50% of it. If they don't take Kansas (meaning the Big 12 remains) then look for either Syracuse or Connecticut to sew up a larger portion of New York. My thinking is Syracuse as they, like Nebraska, were AAU and lost it, but are very close to regaining the status, more so than Nebraska.

Well, if both the ACC and B12 GOR's get challenged in court, I could see another major shift in realignment. My question would be is owning 100% of the state of Virginia, and DC for that matter considering Maryland is also B1G, more valuable in the short and long term projections than grabbing one VA school and getting Kansas? Currently the major money comes from the subscription fees paid by regular cable and satellite fees from in-state users. A smaller percentage of the money conferences are making comes from fees cord cutters are paying to stream these channels at much higher per month rates from various providers.

My big problem with streaming is the reliability of the signal and the quality of the video/audio. Right now I don't mind streaming stuff, but even there I have issues getting Fox Sports to accept my Directv sign-in from time to time and even then there service is unreliable or pretty crappy.

So I guess until some form of Google Fiber with its unrestricted internet speeds and broadband width is available to half of this country, I still see the traditional service providers playing a major factor in rights fees and charges for in-state/in-market schools and less as much on a penetration percentage of that region.

That's all true right now. But Uverse with fiber optic feeds will eventually be available everywhere and when it is then pay channels may start to deliver. But whether that is in 10 years or 20 when the model changes the conferences on top will be those with the most content. If the SEC adds two more national brands we will own that model. And we aren't any worse off until then. Florida State and Oklahoma easily pay for themselves on content value alone, and that's with today's models.

The Big 10 would love to own all of Virginia. They would surround Washington and have the most valuable part of the Beltway.
(12-21-2015 03:38 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]If I were the SEC, It would depend on what my goal was.

For 16: Kansas and Oklahoma
For 18: Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and West Virginia

Kansas for basketball.
Oklahoma for football, basketball, and national appeal.
Texas because it's Texas.
West Virginia for its likeness to SEC programs along with a decent football program and a good basketball program.

I would consider Oklahoma St only if Oklahoma declined.
I would consider Baylor only if Texas declined.
I would not consider TCU or Texas Tech. TCU is football-centric while Baylor has strong football and basketball. Texas is too far away.
I would not consider Kansas St. Their football and basketball are both typically okay, but neither program are as Kansas is to basketball.
I would consider Iowa St if the goal was beyond 18.

(03-24-2016 09:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 07:56 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 02:52 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]JR, you just might get your OU/FSU wish this summer after all, lol.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 20h20 hours ago
Hearing this morning that FSU has told ACC they will challenge GOR validity in court this fall regardless of what conf they call home

Currently there are 8 ACC schools that will not sign a new GOR for extra ESPN $

FSU says they do not want to leave ACC but have to keep options open since ACC is going to fall further behind SEC and others

Of course the source leaves major doubts, but if the SEC wanted to solidify everything they currently have, finish with to of the best brands out there presently not in the Big 10, PAC, or SEC this is the way to do it. The two largest states in the SEC footprint are Florida and Texas. In Florida we capture 45% of the market in actual allegiance. That's more than anyone can with one school, but should the payout model change that makes us vulnerable, as we would be in Texas.

In Texas A&M delivers viewers all over the state and clearly captures Houston. Should the SEC clearly dominate DFW as well it essentially gives us enough control not to lose footing with a new model. Oklahoma gives us that plus a new state. The two brands multiply our content value to heights that no other conference could then equal.

If you look at the remaining football product there are only 3 national brands left on the table between the ACC & SEC that aren't named Notre Dame.

Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida State would be the top 3. I strongly suspect that should OU & FSU move to the SEC that the content game would be over as to who is tops, or could be tops.

The Big 10 would only have two moves they could make that would keep them close: Notre Dame & Texas. I don't see Texas making this move. Notre Dame might if they had no other options.

Without Florida State the ACC might take West Virginia and Connecticut to move to 16, or might take W.V.U. and if Notre Dame went all in with the conference minus Florida State but with Miami they would have essentially everything they want in a conference in the ACC.

They would be the undisputed football king and they would have, other than Clemson, an easy path to the CFP.

If that were to happen I think the Big 10 has to take Kansas and Iowa State to strengthen their AAU hold. That means that Texas, Oklahoma State, Kansas State and Texas Tech are free to head to the PAC.

The more I've thought about it the more I believe that Miami as Notre Dame's touchstone in Florida gives them the recruiting exposure without posing a major issue to their prominence. Clemson as Xlance has said before might like being N.D.'s sole competition in a Nole-less ACC.

But I wouldn't rule out the SEC & Big 10 both moving to 18 either. We might have to take Oklahoma State too. If so the 4th is a big question mark to me unless it's Texas (which I don't see), or Clemson which I also would like, but which whose absence coupled with the loss of F.S.U. would prove catastrophic for the ACC's valuation, Notre Dame or not.

IF Oklahoma & FSU go to the SEC, what would the chances be for the ACC to get ND all in & also bring Texas in? Would Oklahoma State &/or Kansas come with Texas?

IF it's a move against the Big 12 & Fox then say the SEC would get FSU, Oklahoma, VT & WV. The ACC could get ND all in, Texas, Oklahoma State, Kansas & maybe 2 more (TT & Baylor?) for 18. This would extremely limit the B1G options.

Or would it be more probable that Texas, Oklahoma State, Kansas & Iowa St (for example) would be sent to the PAC if they gave up a piece of their network? The ACC would get ND all in to replace FSU, would they take 2 more to match the SEC 16 (WV + 1 of UConn, Cincinnati, UCF/USF or B12 remnant)?

I can't see FSU moving alone unless it's to the SEC but I don't see them taking on the GOR. The ACC might work a deal to let them out however, say for ND & Texas.

It's all speculation based on unreliable rumors but it's interesting to bounce around though.

Edit: As far as 8 schools that won't resign the GOR for extra ESPN money, I don't buy that. That sounds misleading. I can see FSU & perhaps Clemson & GT being against a GOR extension but not 8. Now if it were a terrible deal being offered like $5 extra million per school to extend it to 2030 then yeah, I can see a lot of schools being against that but not against resigning the GOR in general.
The way the ACC GOR extra money rumor goes is that the entire ACC signed the original GOR that allowed ESPN time to either setup/build a ACC Network or allow ESPN to scratch the network idea and keep the GOR valid by adding an additional $3M/yr/school. Supposedly this summer is the deadline. According to some rumors, ESPN has presented the ACC with the money instead of the network. Supposedly, all the schools would have to sign another GOR, one that's much more binding I guess, to get the pay raise; not sure if years are added to the contract. Speculation has it that this is the window to get out. The 8 schools that supposedly won't sign it are the ones likely to have better options for better payoffs outside the ACC or are strapped for cash like Maryland was before they went to the Big Ten.

If I had to guess who the eight were: UVA, VT, UNC, GT, Clemson, FSU, Miami, and Louisville.
(03-24-2016 11:24 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-21-2015 03:38 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]If I were the SEC, It would depend on what my goal was.

For 16: Kansas and Oklahoma
For 18: Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and West Virginia

Kansas for basketball.
Oklahoma for football, basketball, and national appeal.
Texas because it's Texas.
West Virginia for its likeness to SEC programs along with a decent football program and a good basketball program.

I would consider Oklahoma St only if Oklahoma declined.
I would consider Baylor only if Texas declined.
I would not consider TCU or Texas Tech. TCU is football-centric while Baylor has strong football and basketball. Texas is too far away.
I would not consider Kansas St. Their football and basketball are both typically okay, but neither program are as Kansas is to basketball.
I would consider Iowa St if the goal was beyond 18.

(03-24-2016 09:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 07:56 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 02:52 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]JR, you just might get your OU/FSU wish this summer after all, lol.

MHver3 ‏@MHver3 20h20 hours ago
Hearing this morning that FSU has told ACC they will challenge GOR validity in court this fall regardless of what conf they call home

Currently there are 8 ACC schools that will not sign a new GOR for extra ESPN $

FSU says they do not want to leave ACC but have to keep options open since ACC is going to fall further behind SEC and others

Of course the source leaves major doubts, but if the SEC wanted to solidify everything they currently have, finish with to of the best brands out there presently not in the Big 10, PAC, or SEC this is the way to do it. The two largest states in the SEC footprint are Florida and Texas. In Florida we capture 45% of the market in actual allegiance. That's more than anyone can with one school, but should the payout model change that makes us vulnerable, as we would be in Texas.

In Texas A&M delivers viewers all over the state and clearly captures Houston. Should the SEC clearly dominate DFW as well it essentially gives us enough control not to lose footing with a new model. Oklahoma gives us that plus a new state. The two brands multiply our content value to heights that no other conference could then equal.

If you look at the remaining football product there are only 3 national brands left on the table between the ACC & SEC that aren't named Notre Dame.

Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida State would be the top 3. I strongly suspect that should OU & FSU move to the SEC that the content game would be over as to who is tops, or could be tops.

The Big 10 would only have two moves they could make that would keep them close: Notre Dame & Texas. I don't see Texas making this move. Notre Dame might if they had no other options.

Without Florida State the ACC might take West Virginia and Connecticut to move to 16, or might take W.V.U. and if Notre Dame went all in with the conference minus Florida State but with Miami they would have essentially everything they want in a conference in the ACC.

They would be the undisputed football king and they would have, other than Clemson, an easy path to the CFP.

If that were to happen I think the Big 10 has to take Kansas and Iowa State to strengthen their AAU hold. That means that Texas, Oklahoma State, Kansas State and Texas Tech are free to head to the PAC.

The more I've thought about it the more I believe that Miami as Notre Dame's touchstone in Florida gives them the recruiting exposure without posing a major issue to their prominence. Clemson as Xlance has said before might like being N.D.'s sole competition in a Nole-less ACC.

But I wouldn't rule out the SEC & Big 10 both moving to 18 either. We might have to take Oklahoma State too. If so the 4th is a big question mark to me unless it's Texas (which I don't see), or Clemson which I also would like, but which whose absence coupled with the loss of F.S.U. would prove catastrophic for the ACC's valuation, Notre Dame or not.

IF Oklahoma & FSU go to the SEC, what would the chances be for the ACC to get ND all in & also bring Texas in? Would Oklahoma State &/or Kansas come with Texas?

IF it's a move against the Big 12 & Fox then say the SEC would get FSU, Oklahoma, VT & WV. The ACC could get ND all in, Texas, Oklahoma State, Kansas & maybe 2 more (TT & Baylor?) for 18. This would extremely limit the B1G options.

Or would it be more probable that Texas, Oklahoma State, Kansas & Iowa St (for example) would be sent to the PAC if they gave up a piece of their network? The ACC would get ND all in to replace FSU, would they take 2 more to match the SEC 16 (WV + 1 of UConn, Cincinnati, UCF/USF or B12 remnant)?

I can't see FSU moving alone unless it's to the SEC but I don't see them taking on the GOR. The ACC might work a deal to let them out however, say for ND & Texas.

It's all speculation based on unreliable rumors but it's interesting to bounce around though.

Edit: As far as 8 schools that won't resign the GOR for extra ESPN money, I don't buy that. That sounds misleading. I can see FSU & perhaps Clemson & GT being against a GOR extension but not 8. Now if it were a terrible deal being offered like $5 extra million per school to extend it to 2030 then yeah, I can see a lot of schools being against that but not against resigning the GOR in general.
The way the ACC GOR extra money rumor goes is that the entire ACC signed the original GOR that allowed ESPN time to either setup/build a ACC Network or allow ESPN to scratch the network idea and keep the GOR valid by adding an additional $3M/yr/school. Supposedly this summer is the deadline. According to some rumors, ESPN has presented the ACC with the money instead of the network. Supposedly, all the schools would have to sign another GOR, one that's much more binding I guess, to get the pay raise; not sure if years are added to the contract. Speculation has it that this is the window to get out. The 8 schools that supposedly won't sign it are the ones likely to have better options for better payoffs outside the ACC or are strapped for cash like Maryland was before they went to the Big Ten.

If I had to guess who the eight were: UVA, VT, UNC, GT, Clemson, FSU, Miami, and Louisville.

I don't think that is accurate, but if it were I would pick a different 8.

Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, and quite possibly even Louisville.

I don't think UVa, UNC, Duke, N.C.State, Wake Forest or Notre Dame would be there. N.D. didn't sign the football GOR, but may have signed another one for hoops. I don't really know about what they did and didn't sign.

If F.S.U. sued to get out I would imagine that their claim would be that recalcitrance against a deal that might have given the ACC a network and more stability was a selfish act that impeded the ability of other member schools to maximize their revenue. If that ever were to happen I think a lot of interesting things might come to light. We'll see.
It's time to end this mess and issue the coup de grace. If the ACC doesn't want a western division then lets take a different tack. Offer Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Baylor. Baylor is the least likely of the Texas P5's to find a home. They are decent enough in all sports to provide a good role player year round. They don't wear red and they aren't named Tigers. I figure the PAC would take Texas Tech and T.C.U. along with possibly Rice to get into the Lone Star state. If Texas could claim they made the move to keep OU's rivalry and to get the Bears a home that makes them the hero. That may be enough cover for them to make a move they said they would never make. Plus it makes sense to play regionally.

The ACC can add N.D. all in, pick up Connecticut, pick up Cincinnati, and reconnect all of the them with West Virginia.

That would catch the Big 10 off guard. If they want to go to 16 they can take Kansas and Iowa State. They are Big 10 schools anyway.

The LHN can become the headquarters of the SECN and Charlotte can become the ACCN but do double duty covering the Eastern SEC schools. Bristol can become the ACCN for the Northern half. Let ESPN package the two conferences and sell them together. The revenue for the SEC would stay the same but with added footprint and the ACC can ask what they can get. Even if they get a 1.00 per subcriber It should be enough to quell the lure of the Big 10 cash and keep them close to the SEC.

The two can partner with the bowls and set up scheduling alliances.

ESPN would control 7 or 8 of the top revenue producers in the nation and about 16 or 17 of the top 20. And they would keep FOX out of the Southeast and sew up the best football, baseball, softball and basketball product on the market for college sports. Toss in Olympic sports, lacrosse, equestrian, golf, tennis, track & field, swimming & diving, and gymnastics and there isn't much we don't have to offer. We are even getting better at women's volleyball.
Let's assume for a moment that the plan for the Power conferences is to separate and form another division. Now, they wouldn't have to leave the NCAA to do this so I'm working with the idea that we get another tier of Division 1. Perhaps instead of FBS we call it the Football Premier Subdivision? The name doesn't matter right now of course. All that can be decided later.

Let's say every member of the P5 gets in along with Notre Dame and BYU. Let's also say for sake of argument that Cincinnati and UConn make it in as additions some way, somehow.

Is there still motivation for realignment at this point? I think so. The money disparity between the SEC/B1G and everyone else will still be present.

1) What does the SEC want? Well, they want Oklahoma, an NC school and a VA school, probably Florida State and Clemson, and more AAU schools. They're not going to get everything obviously, but they'll get some if not most of it.

2) What does the B1G want? More AAU schools, an NC school and a VA school, and possibly Kansas and Oklahoma. They'll get some of it, but not everything they want.

3) What does the ACC want? To survive, that's about it.

4) What does the Big 12 want? Again, to survive. That's about it.

5) What does the PAC 12 want? A presence in the Central Time Zone? A few more brands that will make their network more attractive? It's going to be hard for them to make any substantial gains though.

Now for the SEC's part, I like the idea of taking a version of the Texahoma 4. Forming an "alliance" with the ACC to make sure that league gets a network and is sustainable will serve the interests of the SEC in the long term. We don't need the B1G invading our region.

What was the stipulation about Notre Dame having to join the ACC? Something about having to do it before 2024 or leave the league? I can never remember that. Let's say ND joins before the GOR is up. They can add Cincinnati to reach a solid 16.

Let's say Kansas and UConn join the B1G.

What about the remnants of the Big 12?

The PAC might take Texas Tech and TCU although I'm not sure about that. Perhaps they take Kansas State and Iowa State although I'm even less sure about that. It should be noted that these schools have essentially nothing in common culturally with a West Coast centered league. Will that matter to one party or the other? I don't know. Right now, the only schools I included that aren't in one of the Power conferences are BYU and West Virginia. Not sure I see a place for them.

OR...

What we could see happen is the formation of a new leftover league that focuses on these programs that might make the cut with the split to a new division.

West: San Diego State, UNLV, Boise State, BYU, New Mexico, Colorado State

Central: Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, TCU, SMU, Houston

The thought also occurs to me that a school like UCF might be of benefit to the SEC. I know, I know...that's a bit crazy. But if the SEC wants a bigger slice of FL and neither FSU or Miami are available then I think they actually make sense. UCF is a huge school with a growing alumni base and an emphasis on research. Orlando continues to grow and according to some polls they have already surpassed Miami in popularity within the state of FL. I mean, if Texas can support 5 major programs and NC can support 4 then it does make sense that a huge market like FL can support an additional Power program. The SEC would definitely have the majority of college fans in the state at that point.

Considering the investments in DI sports they've already made at UCF, I think we can expect them to push their way into a new Premier division. I don't see this new FPS being able to keep out programs of that caliber and simultaneously maintaining any reasonable criteria for entry. So what if the SEC did make a long play and take a school like that? How about West Virginia for a slice of the Mid-Atlantic?

West: Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Missouri
South: Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State
Central: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East: Florida, UCF, Georgia, South Carolina, West Virginia

Thoughts?
(04-06-2016 09:56 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]It's time to end this mess and issue the coup de grace. If the ACC doesn't want a western division then lets take a different tack. Offer Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Baylor. Baylor is the least likely of the Texas P5's to find a home. They are decent enough in all sports to provide a good role player year round. They don't wear red and they aren't named Tigers. I figure the PAC would take Texas Tech and T.C.U. along with possibly Rice to get into the Lone Star state. If Texas could claim they made the move to keep OU's rivalry and to get the Bears a home that makes them the hero. That may be enough cover for them to make a move they said they would never make. Plus it makes sense to play regionally.

The ACC can add N.D. all in, pick up Connecticut, pick up Cincinnati, and reconnect all of the them with West Virginia.

That would catch the Big 10 off guard. If they want to go to 16 they can take Kansas and Iowa State. They are Big 10 schools anyway.

The LHN can become the headquarters of the SECN and Charlotte can become the ACCN but do double duty covering the Eastern SEC schools. Bristol can become the ACCN for the Northern half. Let ESPN package the two conferences and sell them together. The revenue for the SEC would stay the same but with added footprint and the ACC can ask what they can get. Even if they get a 1.00 per subcriber It should be enough to quell the lure of the Big 10 cash and keep them close to the SEC.

The two can partner with the bowls and set up scheduling alliances.

ESPN would control 7 or 8 of the top revenue producers in the nation and about 16 or 17 of the top 20. And they would keep FOX out of the Southeast and sew up the best football, baseball, softball and basketball product on the market for college sports. Toss in Olympic sports, lacrosse, equestrian, golf, tennis, track & field, swimming & diving, and gymnastics and there isn't much we don't have to offer. We are even getting better at women's volleyball.

Since the ACC doesn't seem to be intelligent enough to add a western division I would give this a high probability of occurring. This is probably the best that the ACC can hope for.

To nullify the B12 GOR 8 teams need a home. You've already placed 5 in the SEC & in the ACC. If you could find some way for the PAC to take TT, TCU, Kansas & Iowa St that would be ideal. Finding a place for 4-6 is easy, it's the last 2 that's difficult.
(04-07-2016 09:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-06-2016 09:56 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]It's time to end this mess and issue the coup de grace. If the ACC doesn't want a western division then lets take a different tack. Offer Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Baylor. Baylor is the least likely of the Texas P5's to find a home. They are decent enough in all sports to provide a good role player year round. They don't wear red and they aren't named Tigers. I figure the PAC would take Texas Tech and T.C.U. along with possibly Rice to get into the Lone Star state. If Texas could claim they made the move to keep OU's rivalry and to get the Bears a home that makes them the hero. That may be enough cover for them to make a move they said they would never make. Plus it makes sense to play regionally.

The ACC can add N.D. all in, pick up Connecticut, pick up Cincinnati, and reconnect all of the them with West Virginia.

That would catch the Big 10 off guard. If they want to go to 16 they can take Kansas and Iowa State. They are Big 10 schools anyway.

The LHN can become the headquarters of the SECN and Charlotte can become the ACCN but do double duty covering the Eastern SEC schools. Bristol can become the ACCN for the Northern half. Let ESPN package the two conferences and sell them together. The revenue for the SEC would stay the same but with added footprint and the ACC can ask what they can get. Even if they get a 1.00 per subcriber It should be enough to quell the lure of the Big 10 cash and keep them close to the SEC.

The two can partner with the bowls and set up scheduling alliances.

ESPN would control 7 or 8 of the top revenue producers in the nation and about 16 or 17 of the top 20. And they would keep FOX out of the Southeast and sew up the best football, baseball, softball and basketball product on the market for college sports. Toss in Olympic sports, lacrosse, equestrian, golf, tennis, track & field, swimming & diving, and gymnastics and there isn't much we don't have to offer. We are even getting better at women's volleyball.

Since the ACC doesn't seem to be intelligent enough to add a western division I would give this a high probability of occurring. This is probably the best that the ACC can hope for.

To nullify the B12 GOR 8 teams need a home. You've already placed 5 in the SEC & in the ACC. If you could find some way for the PAC to take TT, TCU, Kansas & Iowa St that would be ideal. Finding a place for 4-6 is easy, it's the last 2 that's difficult.

There is some debate as to whether it actually takes fewer schools to end the Big 12. There may be a minimum valuation necessary for the networks to keep the contract viable. If Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas leave how does a new conference of lesser schools meet that minimum valuation? I don't know if this is so, but it is interesting.
(04-07-2016 01:09 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-07-2016 09:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-06-2016 09:56 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]It's time to end this mess and issue the coup de grace. If the ACC doesn't want a western division then lets take a different tack. Offer Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Baylor. Baylor is the least likely of the Texas P5's to find a home. They are decent enough in all sports to provide a good role player year round. They don't wear red and they aren't named Tigers. I figure the PAC would take Texas Tech and T.C.U. along with possibly Rice to get into the Lone Star state. If Texas could claim they made the move to keep OU's rivalry and to get the Bears a home that makes them the hero. That may be enough cover for them to make a move they said they would never make. Plus it makes sense to play regionally.

The ACC can add N.D. all in, pick up Connecticut, pick up Cincinnati, and reconnect all of the them with West Virginia.

That would catch the Big 10 off guard. If they want to go to 16 they can take Kansas and Iowa State. They are Big 10 schools anyway.

The LHN can become the headquarters of the SECN and Charlotte can become the ACCN but do double duty covering the Eastern SEC schools. Bristol can become the ACCN for the Northern half. Let ESPN package the two conferences and sell them together. The revenue for the SEC would stay the same but with added footprint and the ACC can ask what they can get. Even if they get a 1.00 per subcriber It should be enough to quell the lure of the Big 10 cash and keep them close to the SEC.

The two can partner with the bowls and set up scheduling alliances.

ESPN would control 7 or 8 of the top revenue producers in the nation and about 16 or 17 of the top 20. And they would keep FOX out of the Southeast and sew up the best football, baseball, softball and basketball product on the market for college sports. Toss in Olympic sports, lacrosse, equestrian, golf, tennis, track & field, swimming & diving, and gymnastics and there isn't much we don't have to offer. We are even getting better at women's volleyball.

Since the ACC doesn't seem to be intelligent enough to add a western division I would give this a high probability of occurring. This is probably the best that the ACC can hope for.

To nullify the B12 GOR 8 teams need a home. You've already placed 5 in the SEC & in the ACC. If you could find some way for the PAC to take TT, TCU, Kansas & Iowa St that would be ideal. Finding a place for 4-6 is easy, it's the last 2 that's difficult.

There is some debate as to whether it actually takes fewer schools to end the Big 12. There may be a minimum valuation necessary for the networks to keep the contract viable. If Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas leave how does a new conference of lesser schools meet that minimum valuation? I don't know if this is so, but it is interesting.

The rumor was 75% of the B12 schools were needed to dissolve the B12. Of course that should be in the By-laws. The copy of the B12 GOR that floats around the internet had it's withdrawl section removed/left blank. So it either does not exist or was removed before posted. Either way, it does not solve how much value would be lost to the B12 if either UT, OU, or KU left. My guess, is the B12 could handle the loss of either OU or KU and find a way to keep the money about the same if replaced by a football only BYU if no P5 schools are available.
(04-07-2016 06:05 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-07-2016 01:09 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-07-2016 09:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-06-2016 09:56 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]It's time to end this mess and issue the coup de grace. If the ACC doesn't want a western division then lets take a different tack. Offer Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Baylor. Baylor is the least likely of the Texas P5's to find a home. They are decent enough in all sports to provide a good role player year round. They don't wear red and they aren't named Tigers. I figure the PAC would take Texas Tech and T.C.U. along with possibly Rice to get into the Lone Star state. If Texas could claim they made the move to keep OU's rivalry and to get the Bears a home that makes them the hero. That may be enough cover for them to make a move they said they would never make. Plus it makes sense to play regionally.

The ACC can add N.D. all in, pick up Connecticut, pick up Cincinnati, and reconnect all of the them with West Virginia.

That would catch the Big 10 off guard. If they want to go to 16 they can take Kansas and Iowa State. They are Big 10 schools anyway.

The LHN can become the headquarters of the SECN and Charlotte can become the ACCN but do double duty covering the Eastern SEC schools. Bristol can become the ACCN for the Northern half. Let ESPN package the two conferences and sell them together. The revenue for the SEC would stay the same but with added footprint and the ACC can ask what they can get. Even if they get a 1.00 per subcriber It should be enough to quell the lure of the Big 10 cash and keep them close to the SEC.

The two can partner with the bowls and set up scheduling alliances.

ESPN would control 7 or 8 of the top revenue producers in the nation and about 16 or 17 of the top 20. And they would keep FOX out of the Southeast and sew up the best football, baseball, softball and basketball product on the market for college sports. Toss in Olympic sports, lacrosse, equestrian, golf, tennis, track & field, swimming & diving, and gymnastics and there isn't much we don't have to offer. We are even getting better at women's volleyball.

Since the ACC doesn't seem to be intelligent enough to add a western division I would give this a high probability of occurring. This is probably the best that the ACC can hope for.

To nullify the B12 GOR 8 teams need a home. You've already placed 5 in the SEC & in the ACC. If you could find some way for the PAC to take TT, TCU, Kansas & Iowa St that would be ideal. Finding a place for 4-6 is easy, it's the last 2 that's difficult.

There is some debate as to whether it actually takes fewer schools to end the Big 12. There may be a minimum valuation necessary for the networks to keep the contract viable. If Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas leave how does a new conference of lesser schools meet that minimum valuation? I don't know if this is so, but it is interesting.

The rumor was 75% of the B12 schools were needed to dissolve the B12. Of course that should be in the By-laws. The copy of the B12 GOR that floats around the internet had it's withdrawl section removed/left blank. So it either does not exist or was removed before posted. Either way, it does not solve how much value would be lost to the B12 if either UT, OU, or KU left. My guess, is the B12 could handle the loss of either OU or KU and find a way to keep the money about the same if replaced by a football only BYU if no P5 schools are available.

Not that this is my recommendation, but it would stand to reason that if the SEC for instance took Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Virginia the value of the Big 12 would be essentially gutted and therefore the conference dead. That would raise an interesting possibility.

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, West Virginia

I don't know if I love it, but it is interesting.
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It's been since April since the last post to this thread. As an update here are some possible scenarios that could be in play in a couple of years when the buyout for the GOR is more reasonable and more doable.

1. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State move to the SEC.
Kansas moves to the Big 10 with one yet to be determined.
West Virginia moves to the ACC.
Texas, Texas Tech, T.C.U. and Kansas State move to the PAC.

2. The PAC sits realignment out and sticks at 12.
The SEC adds Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
The Big 10 adds Texas and Kansas
The ACC adds West Virginia and the P4 is created with only 60 schools. The
PAC remains competitive by feeding fewer.

3. Kansas, Missouri head to the Big 10 and reunite their border war.
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and one to be determined move to the SEC.
Texas joins the ACC as an independent and they bring Baylor and West Virginia
with them.
Texas Tech & T.C.U. join the PAC.

4. The PAC goes in with a major network. They absorb Texas, Texas Tech,
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and T.C.U.

The SEC takes Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia, Georgia Tech & Duke.

The Big 10 takes Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, N.C. State, and Notre Dame/or Miami.


5. So in other words not much has changed or is likely to change for 2 to 6 years.
Happy world, as perfect as possible edition:

B1G: Add Missouri and kansas. Move Purdue east. Great at 16 with no real worries for rivalries getting lost. 16 and done.

PAC: Add Texas, Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State. PAC accepts the 2 lessers to stay competitive and stretch to central time zone. 16 and ready to roll.

ACC: Add UConn. Lets ND stay indy for football, but good for everything else

SEC: Add WV to replace Missouri.

Everyone else: SOL.
(07-05-2016 04:12 PM)5thTiger Wrote: [ -> ]Happy world, as perfect as possible edition:

B1G: Add Missouri and kansas. Move Purdue east. Great at 16 with no real worries for rivalries getting lost. 16 and done.

PAC: Add Texas, Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State. PAC accepts the 2 lessers to stay competitive and stretch to central time zone. 16 and ready to roll.

ACC: Add UConn. Lets ND stay indy for football, but good for everything else

SEC: Add WV to replace Missouri.

Everyone else: SOL.

It would be even better if the ACC didn't have to take UConn and could stay at 14 like the SEC.
9 game conference schedules for the ACC and SEC, but I would allow the crossover rivalries to count as conference games (Clemson/SC, Kentucky/Louisville, GT/Georgia, FSU/Florida, Wake Forest/Vanderbilt, Pitt/West Virginia maybe Tennessee/VT ((evens out the numbers at 50% of teams in both leagues)) ).
Okay, the networks are balking at the notion of adding and paying more for 2 to 4 G5 schools. If FOX and ESPN can't cooperate to place the present members of the Big 12 then perhaps ESPN should just place 4 in each of the ACC and SEC and end it.

Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas and Iowa State to the SEC.

Texas, T.C.U./Baylor, Kansas State, West Virginia to the ACC.

I say perhaps the PAC might take Texas Tech and T.C.U. to get a piece of Texas.
If we go 2 and only from the Big 12.

1. OU
2. WVU or Oklahoma State

If we go 4.

1. OU
2. Kansas
3. Oklahoma State
4. WVU

This is assuming we aren't getting Texas. I hope Texas isn't an option.
SEC would have to add a North Carolina school. The ACC schools can't leave because of the GOR. So ECU is the logically pick. Football school, awesome fan base, SEC would own the state.
Brett McMurphy was interviewed on the Dave Glenn Show, a syndicated show out of NC, on expansion and specifically ECU's chances.

Thought it was interesting for those watching ECU's ambitions to enter a Power conference.

McMurphy's portion ends around the 16 minute mark.

Podcast

McMurphy, who words for ESPN, thinks:

1. Big 12's decision will be made in Oct.

2. 2/3 or 3/4 of the 18 schools have no shot at getting in, everyone knows that, but the Big 12 wants to give fellow Presidents a chance to make their argument.

3. Less and less likely they add 4. More likely they add 2, possibly none.

4. Only people who know who's going to be picked are the 10 Presidents. We don't know what Big 12's specific criteria is, what Presidents' priorities are.

5. Hasn't heard of ECU being seriously considered. Thinks BYU, Cincinnati, and Houston are the leaders.

6. Unless Big Ten or SEC decides to go to 16, there will probably be no more expansion that might involve schools like ECU

7. When GORs expire, Power conferences might eat their own and that could open the door for schools like ECU.
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