Earlier articles today make it appear that the Pac-12 is demoting the Las Vegas Bowl from the #5 selection to the bottom selection (#7). It also looks like the Pac-12 is leaving the New Mexico Bowl. That would leave the Mountain West with just a single bowl against the bottom bowl qualifier from the Pac-12. That means the current best G-5 bowl is vs the bottom bowl qualifier from a P-5 conference (CUSA and the MW each have this). Additionally, it doesn't appear that any G-5 conference has more than one bowl game vs a P-5 opponent. Those are the bars we have to beat in order to have the best bowl line-up in the G-5.
The Pac-12 is not expected to renew its contract with the New Mexico Bowl when it runs out after this season, according to two sources. Conference USA will likely replace the Pac-12 and play the Mountain West Conference for the 2014-19 cycle, according to a source.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...exico-bowl
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Access Bowl or bust for G5 schools that want to face a big name P5 team in a bowl.
Exactly the writing on the wall that many of us saw for some time now. Get that AAC champ vs MWC champ game up and running, now. There literally are no other options.
Well atleast they have some bowls. I'm not aware of any that we have outside of the Beef
I have to believe there is some collusion or under the table nonsense going on that is causing these bowl decisions.
(06-24-2013 01:03 PM)bearcatfan Wrote: [ -> ]I have to believe there is some collusion or under the table nonsense going on that is causing these bowl decisions.
This.
(06-24-2013 01:03 PM)bearcatfan Wrote: [ -> ]I have to believe there is some collusion or under the table nonsense going on that is causing these bowl decisions.
I don't even think there has to be. I don't see what's hard to understand about the P5 not wanting to play in bowls against the G5 and being able to dictate that they won’t and the bowls acceding. Why in the world would the bowls be against this anyway?
(06-24-2013 01:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]Well atleast they have some bowls. I'm not aware of any that we have outside of the Beef
Im not at all concerned about that. We will have bowls. lol...The question is will we give a flying fig about any of them?
Basically for us, it keeps coming back to the same bottom line---if we get the Liberty Bowl vs the Big-12 #4/5---we actually can at least say we have a nice #1 bowl. Building from the Liberty, we could add the Military vs ACC #7, the LA Christmas Bowl vs MW/BYU/Pac-12 #7, a bowl vs the Sunbelt champ in New Orleans, a bowl vs the MAC champ in Miami (or St Pete), and maybe two of either the Armed Forces Bowl in Ft Worth, BBVA Compass in Birmingham, Hawaii, or the Independence Bowl.
On the other hand, we are looking at a similar line up with probably the top game being vs the MW #1 somewhere in Texas. If not, our lineup is pretty much going to blow.
(06-24-2013 01:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]Well atleast they have some bowls. I'm not aware of any that we have outside of the Beef
The rest of their bowls are terrible. We can pick up these types of bowls at any time. Getting bowls is not the problem. Getting good bowls is.
(06-24-2013 12:59 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly the writing on the wall that many of us saw for some time now. Get that AAC champ vs MWC champ game up and running, now. There literally are no other options.
That is what I thought 2 months ago. I have kind of been sleeping on this bowl business, but if the AAC does not still have a piece of the Liberty Bowl, then the AAC and MWC might be lining up a lot of bowls.
AAC #2 v. MWC #2 ?
AAC #3 v. MWC #3 ?
AAC # 4 v. MWC # 4 ?
I don't even know where CUSA, SB or the MAC will even fit into this stuff. Maybe the AAC and the MWC can grab the Sun Bowl if it is not already gone.
(06-24-2013 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]Well atleast they have some bowls. I'm not aware of any that we have outside of the Beef
Im not at all concerned about that. We will have bowls. lol...The question is will give a flying fig about any of them?
There will be plenty of spots to fill when these conferences dont fill their spots. I would love to see the G5 conferences tell the P5 to go pound sand when they need us to fill games. Sorry boys, you screw us...now deal with it...
(06-24-2013 01:10 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:03 PM)bearcatfan Wrote: [ -> ]I have to believe there is some collusion or under the table nonsense going on that is causing these bowl decisions.
I don't even think there has to be. I don't see what's hard to understand about the P5 not wanting to play in bowls against the G5 and being able to dictate that they won’t and the bowls acceding. Why in the world would the bowls be against this anyway?
So they feel that any P5 team is a better option than Boise, or Cincinnati, or other non P5 schools?
(06-24-2013 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]Well atleast they have some bowls. I'm not aware of any that we have outside of the Beef
Im not at all concerned about that. We will have bowls. lol...The question is will give a flying fig about any of them?
Yeah I have no concern about numbers. This league will sign however many crappy bowls it needs, but the question is will it sign even 1 worth going to? The answer is likely no.
(06-24-2013 01:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]Well atleast they have some bowls. I'm not aware of any that we have outside of the Beef
Im not at all concerned about that. We will have bowls. lol...The question is will give a flying fig about any of them?
Yeah I have no concern about numbers. This league will sign however many crappy bowls it needs, but the question is will it sign even 1 worth going to? The answer is likely no.
Guess Thompson from MWC is doing as bad as Aresco is doing regarding Bowls vs P5 opponents
(06-24-2013 01:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]Well atleast they have some bowls. I'm not aware of any that we have outside of the Beef
Im not at all concerned about that. We will have bowls. lol...The question is will give a flying fig about any of them?
Yeah I have no concern about numbers. This league will sign however many crappy bowls it needs, but the question is will it sign even 1 worth going to? The answer is likely no.
The MWC schools are just as good as the other bullcrap so called P5 opponents that the AAC are trying to play against. What difference does it make. Play a crappy middle of the road ACC team or the #2 MWC team?
Its not collusion...its preference. And not just preference by the P5 conferences, but by the TV execs that set up the Bowls. Bowls are being kept afloat by TV, not by people actually attending.
Keep in mind those TV execs have paid a TON of money (over paid IMO) to the P5 conferences.
The key to G5 is grassroots...create atmosphere's, bring winning programs, travel well and watch other G5 programs. The key is not fight with each other, but identify your strong programs and root for them, watch them in the OOC. As well another key is to NOT watch the P5 stuff. I don't care if Nick Saban's hair is out of place, its immaterial to who I root for.
With G5 programs starting up in Atlanta, Charlotte, Tidewater, San Antonio, as well as others...those fans need to sign up and buy in, further siphoning off fans of P5 members. The collective nature of the G5 can be a force...but if folks continue to pull for the flagship because "that's who I grew up with" because thats what Wal-Mart sells...then it will lead to another level being created.
Stop buying the cheap t-shirts, other crappy merchandise and watching their crappy games. Start watching yours and other G5 members. Start making it cool to be a G5 member because of the atmosphere at your games and don't be a fair weather fan. Go to the sports bars and watch your game and not the P5 crap.
Give you an example...the ULL-ECU game last year had almost 50K in the Superdome and had good TV ratings. That's an example of what the G5 can do if the conditions are right. Create more of that and Bowl execs and TV folks will notice.
(06-24-2013 01:22 PM)PirateMarv Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]Well atleast they have some bowls. I'm not aware of any that we have outside of the Beef
Im not at all concerned about that. We will have bowls. lol...The question is will give a flying fig about any of them?
Yeah I have no concern about numbers. This league will sign however many crappy bowls it needs, but the question is will it sign even 1 worth going to? The answer is likely no.
The MWC schools are just as good as the other bullcrap so called P5 opponents that the AAC are trying to play against. What difference does it make. Play a crappy middle of the road ACC team or the #2 MWC team?
Depends on which crappy middle of the road ACC team you are talking about. The answer is likely to be I'd rather ECU play the ACC team, because honestly I don't care about MWC teams. I understand some of them are pretty good, but they don't interest me, I don't see them play often, and ECU has no history with them. If you are talking about middle of the road ACC programs like GT, NC State, UNC, UVA, Miami, or whoever the answer is clear, the ACC program.
(06-24-2013 01:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2013 01:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote: [ -> ]Well atleast they have some bowls. I'm not aware of any that we have outside of the Beef
Im not at all concerned about that. We will have bowls. lol...The question is will give a flying fig about any of them?
Yeah I have no concern about numbers. This league will sign however many crappy bowls it needs, but the question is will it sign even 1 worth going to? The answer is likely no.
Guess Thompson from MWC is doing as bad as Aresco is doing regarding Bowls vs P5 opponents
Yup. They should go bowling together--buy a couple of pitchers of beer and get to work.
The American schools need to make sure these bowls regret their decisions. The P5 lower-end teams will travel about as well as the upper-end G5, but the perception is that the gap is significantly wider. If the American can make an impact, I suspect the next cycle will be a bit different. Travel to our bowl games and watch them on TV. The American will have to make its own name as we move forward.
(06-24-2013 01:34 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]The American schools need to make sure these bowls regret their decisions. The P5 lower-end teams will travel about as well as the upper-end G5, but the perception is that the gap is significantly wider. If the American can make an impact, I suspect the next cycle will be a bit different. Travel to our bowl games and watch them on TV. The American will have to make its own name as we move forward.
Agree. If we do well, travel 20K to every bowl game, the bowls will take notice.