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Haven't they been doing that for years?

(06-05-2013 10:44 AM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ]Haven't they been doing that for years?

It's for cost cutting purposes.

I'd much rather see near zero interest loans made availible with a cap of $5-6,000/year. Not everyone needs a stipend or will want to pay a loan back if not necessary. It would only be a matter of time before a FCS athlete would bring suit against the state and University for his/her right to a stipend that is being provided at a larger state system school.

Why don't they just get a student loan like nearly all 'regular' students get?!? There are plenty of students who work multiple jobs, 40+ hrs/wk just to AFFORD to go to college. They don't have extra money to spend on movies or food or whatever. These student-athletes already get free food as a part of their scholarship. They get free books for class. They get free housing (or if they live off-campus, they get a check for what it would cost to live in a dorm, and usually living off-campus is 1/2 the price of living on campus). So they are basically getting paid. They can stop their b!tch!ng.

Why not pay high school players, too? Jr. high? Where does it stop?

I haven't read enough about this; where does the money come from? Is the school supposed to ante this up? We just read that some faculty at UT are b!tching that athletics isn't cutting enough. I agree that it's a slippery slope. It started with 2k, now it's 4k; any amount will never be enough because, one way or another, the kids will blow it all.

(06-05-2013 02:46 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote: [ -> ]Why not pay high school players, too? Jr. high? Where does it stop?

I haven't read enough about this; where does the money come from? Is the school supposed to ante this up? We just read that some faculty at UT are b!tching that athletics isn't cutting enough. I agree that it's a slippery slope. It started with 2k, now it's 4k; any amount will never be enough because, one way or another, the kids will blow it all.

And it can't be just football. Will men's basketball be included? Baseball? Everyone? What about sports that give partial scholarships (like baseball)? Counting just football (85 scholarships x2 [to cover for Title IV]) would be $680,000. Where is that $$$ coming from? Especially since only a handful of schools athletics department's are in the black (isn't it something like 6 schools?).

(06-05-2013 03:56 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-05-2013 02:46 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote: [ -> ]Why not pay high school players, too? Jr. high? Where does it stop?

I haven't read enough about this; where does the money come from? Is the school supposed to ante this up? We just read that some faculty at UT are b!tching that athletics isn't cutting enough. I agree that it's a slippery slope. It started with 2k, now it's 4k; any amount will never be enough because, one way or another, the kids will blow it all.

And it can't be just football. Will men's basketball be included? Baseball? Everyone? What about sports that give partial scholarships (like baseball)? Counting just football (85 scholarships x2 [to cover for Title IV]) would be $680,000. Where is that $$$ coming from? Especially since only a handful of schools athletics department's are in the black (isn't it something like 6 schools?).

I think we'll see more schools in the black since these big conferences are signing mega TV deals. The Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 are all giving each member $ 20 million +, the ACC $17-20 million each and the PAC 12 $19 million per school

This is, IMO, the breaking point where the big 5 make a move to be classified into a new division where they control everything. The NCAA will have no say since they are totally dependent on the $$$ coming from the big 5. Game over.

Three words - out of control.

its a well known fact that scholarship athletes are barred from legally working. give them $100 a game so they can eat, pay their phone bill etc. never leave your students out in the cold.

(06-05-2013 08:27 PM)crusher38 Wrote: [ -> ]its a well known fact that scholarship athletes are barred from legally working. give them $100 a game so they can eat, pay their phone bill etc. never leave your students out in the cold.

They are not barred from working.

There is no reason to pay these athletes a single penny. They are getting THOUSANDS of dollars worth of education, room and board, books, etc. that other students don't stand a chance of getting unless they are valedictorian. They are getting paid very well - it's called a free education. They will graduate (ahem) with no student loans, while everyone else will be paying for years and years. Nope - not even reasonable.

I don't think it should be a school or conference's job to pay the athletes. It becomes too complicated and expensive, especially if all schools are supposed to pay the same stipends to all athletes.

That said, athletes should be allowed to make money on their image and likeness. Everybody else in the world makes money off them, so why can't they themselves earn any money from their name, picture, uniform, etc.?

(06-06-2013 05:19 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think it should be a school or conference's job to pay the athletes. It becomes too complicated and expensive, especially if all schools are supposed to pay the same stipends to all athletes.

That said, athletes should be allowed to make money on their image and likeness. Everybody else in the world makes money off them, so why can't they themselves earn any money from their name, picture, uniform, etc.?

I don't think that many players in the MAC are going to be making any money from their name etc. However, athletes who are getting full scholarships can make out very well in other ways. For example, room and board. Players get the cost of living on campus, however almost all live off campus with roommates for a fraction of what they receive. They pocket thousands of dollars. Players who are eligible for Pell Grants can still receive this money even if they are on an athletic scholarship. That's $5,500 a year and never has to be paid back.

(06-06-2013 07:56 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2013 05:19 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think it should be a school or conference's job to pay the athletes. It becomes too complicated and expensive, especially if all schools are supposed to pay the same stipends to all athletes.

That said, athletes should be allowed to make money on their image and likeness. Everybody else in the world makes money off them, so why can't they themselves earn any money from their name, picture, uniform, etc.?

I don't think that many players in the MAC are going to be making any money from their name etc. However, athletes who are getting full scholarships can make out very well in other ways. For example, room and board. Players get the cost of living on campus, however almost all live off campus with roommates for a fraction of what they receive. They pocket thousands of dollars. Players who are eligible for Pell Grants can still receive this money even if they are on an athletic scholarship. That's $5,500 a year and never has to be paid back.

That's what I think most people don't realize - if they live off campus, they get a check for the cost of what it would be to live on campus. At UT it costs around $7k to like in the dorm for the year (or around $1k/month), they get $7k given to them (I believe I heard that UT student-athletes get a check once a month for this). And off-campus housing can go as low as $300/mo, and up to $700/mo for the nicer apartments. So they're still pocketing at least a couple hundred a month.

(06-06-2013 07:56 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2013 05:19 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think it should be a school or conference's job to pay the athletes. It becomes too complicated and expensive, especially if all schools are supposed to pay the same stipends to all athletes.

That said, athletes should be allowed to make money on their image and likeness. Everybody else in the world makes money off them, so why can't they themselves earn any money from their name, picture, uniform, etc.?

I don't think that many players in the MAC are going to be making any money from their name etc. However, athletes who are getting full scholarships can make out very well in other ways. For example, room and board. Players get the cost of living on campus, however almost all live off campus with roommates for a fraction of what they receive. They pocket thousands of dollars. Players who are eligible for Pell Grants can still receive this money even if they are on an athletic scholarship. That's $5,500 a year and never has to be paid back.

I'm sure things have changed somewhat over the years, but I can assure you we were not pocketing thousands when I played. I lived with 4 other guys in a crappy neighborhood. The monthly check went towards housing and food. The money did not last the entire month. Heck, I knew guys who were not using their heat in the dead of winter in order to save cash...they bundled up in their winter jackets to sleep. I was fortunate that my family could afford to send me money, which I used for food and going out...a big night was dropping $10 or $15 at the Pig or Rocket Inn. Yes, we were fortunate to be on scholarship, but it wasn't as glamorous as some on here may think. Football or any other sport is your job...believe me, you earn every bit of the scholarship you are given. Free Ride my A**

(06-06-2013 09:03 PM)TampaRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2013 07:56 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-06-2013 05:19 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think it should be a school or conference's job to pay the athletes. It becomes too complicated and expensive, especially if all schools are supposed to pay the same stipends to all athletes.

That said, athletes should be allowed to make money on their image and likeness. Everybody else in the world makes money off them, so why can't they themselves earn any money from their name, picture, uniform, etc.?

I don't think that many players in the MAC are going to be making any money from their name etc. However, athletes who are getting full scholarships can make out very well in other ways. For example, room and board. Players get the cost of living on campus, however almost all live off campus with roommates for a fraction of what they receive. They pocket thousands of dollars. Players who are eligible for Pell Grants can still receive this money even if they are on an athletic scholarship. That's $5,500 a year and never has to be paid back.

I'm sure things have changed somewhat over the years, but I can assure you we were not pocketing thousands when I played. I lived with 4 other guys in a crappy neighborhood. The monthly check went towards housing and food. The money did not last the entire month. Heck, I knew guys who were not using their heat in the dead of winter in order to save cash...they bundled up in their winter jackets to sleep. I was fortunate that my family could afford to send me money, which I used for food and going out...a big night was dropping $10 or $15 at the Pig or Rocket Inn. Yes, we were fortunate to be on scholarship, but it wasn't as glamorous as some on here may think. Football or any other sport is your job...believe me, you earn every bit of the scholarship you are given. Free Ride my A**

But that's what a lot of 'regular' students have to do as well. They work multiple jobs just to pay for tuition, then have to figure out how to pay for books, food, parking, etc.

On another note, when people say "everyone is getting rich off of the student-athletes...", that's like saying professors are getting rich off of students. ADs, coaches, etc. are paid to coach, keep the athletic dept going, etc. Just like professors are paid to educate the students. There are professors making $100k, $200k. Presidents making over $1M. So should regular students be paid because professors & presidents are getting rich off of students???

Regular students on full scholarships can work any job they would like and earn as much money (from jobs, internships, fellowships, etc.) as they would like while on scholarship. Athletes on full scholarship are extremely limited in what they can do work wise (thanks to so many schools hooking athletes up with no-show jobs from boosters). When an athlete's uniform or name or image is used to make money for the school, conference, TV network, bowl game, shoe manufacturer, and so on, the athlete sees none of the revenue from that.

Texas A&M has an entire line of Johnny Manziel gear on its website. But I'm sure they just picked #2 out of a hat and I'm sure the play on his last name on the Heisman shirt was pure coincidence... The only people making money off Manziel's image and likeness are Texas A&M, Adidas, and whoever the third-party is that runs the official online store. In any other walk of life, it would be illegal to not give Manziel a piece of the money earned from his image and likeness.

Without proper minor leagues in pro football or basketball, athletes are forced to play in the NCAA and it is not right that they cannot earn money off of their image and likeness when everybody else does.

Beyond making money off their image and likeness, the NCAA goes way too far restricting money they can make outside of an athlete's activities as a student. Look up the Jeremy Bloom case and the absurd ruling the NCAA made to ban him for life. Student-athletes have absurd restrictions put on them that other students don't have.

Like I said earlier, the best comparison is between an athlete on a full-ride and a student on an academic full-ride. Why is it that an academic does have the restrictive rules??? Oh yeah, because the academic can't potentially make the school, conference, bowl game, NCAA, shoe company, etc. a lot of money while a student, so there's no reason to whore them out while limiting them from making a cent outside of the scholarship.

To stop schools and other places from making jerseys with a player's number, the NCAA should only allow schools to print jerseys with only 2 select numbers. For UT football, it could be #1 (just because #1 seems to be a good generic number for fans) or #72 (because UT likes to use 72 since UT was start in 1872) or #10 (for 10 MAC Championships).

(06-05-2013 09:01 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-05-2013 08:27 PM)crusher38 Wrote: [ -> ]its a well known fact that scholarship athletes are barred from legally working. give them $100 a game so they can eat, pay their phone bill etc. never leave your students out in the cold.

They are not barred from working.

making a max of $2,000 a year isnt considered "working"


thats highway robbery