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That's horrible. We've let Delta d!ck us around for years, and its gotten us absolutely nowhere.

Delta sucks. And seems to be making no effort to remedy the situation. I have had nothing but bad experiences with them over the last ten years or so. In fact, it seems at times they go out of their way to screw you over. I try to fly some other airline when I can.

FYI the three letter designation for Memphis International Airport is MEM. MIA is Miami.

hopefully someone picks up the ball, but I doubt it as I don't think Memphis gets a ton of convention business anymore, right?

I will continue to go out of my way to choose another airline than Delta. Darn, I wish Horizon and Alaska Airlines flew here!

Our Airport Authority bears some blame for this, too. Lots of cronyism there over many, many years.

Memphis Int'l is still a Hub airport...

Just not for people.

But Delta sucks.

Maybe one day, the relative lack of origination passengers will be balanced by lower ticket costs as airlines try to attract fliers.

Symptomatic of a declining economy and the hits will keep on coming.

Memphis is one of the more expensive airports to fly out of, so maybe they should consider what will it take to make the fares more competitive. In comparison the cost of living and the cost of labor in Memphis is supposedly lower compared to other cities, so why does it cost more to fly out of Memphis than many other cities by comparison? Memphis gives up fares too often to Little Rock and Nashville because of ticket prices.

(06-04-2013 11:37 PM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis is one of the more expensive airports to fly out of, so maybe they should consider what will it take to make the fares more competitive. In comparison the cost of living and the cost of labor in Memphis is supposedly lower compared to other cities, so why does it cost more to fly out of Memphis than many other cities by comparison? Memphis gives up fares too often to Little Rock and Nashville because of ticket prices.

Probably because the bulk of Northwest's and then Delta's passengers didn't originate here so the passengers from here were price gouged. Now that we won't be a hub, and the airport will rely on multiple airlines trying to get customers for profitable routes, the ticket prices will go down. Unfortunately the airport traffic will fall and the shops and restaurants will suffer.

i had to laugh when I saw steve cohen comment about delta having broken promises...


hee


pot, meet kettle
and so on...

(06-04-2013 11:37 PM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis is one of the more expensive airports to fly out of, so maybe they should consider what will it take to make the fares more competitive. In comparison the cost of living and the cost of labor in Memphis is supposedly lower compared to other cities, so why does it cost more to fly out of Memphis than many other cities by comparison? Memphis gives up fares too often to Little Rock and Nashville because of ticket prices.

MEM is not one of the most expensive airports to fly in and out of, it is THE MOST expensive airport. Maybe now we can get some reasonable prices.

When Northwest was here we were told that the higher prices we paid to fly were due to the cost of being a hub and having so many direct flights and international flights. Delta came in and strategically cut most of the direct flights but kept the high prices. Now we are being de-hubbed. I really hope other carriers come into MEM to pick up the open gates left by delta. MEM's OD numbers are not great, but they are comparable to other similarly sized metro areas. An airline can be profitable flying in and out of MEM, but prices have to come down to draw more air travelers.

(06-08-2013 07:55 AM)tigertate Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-04-2013 11:37 PM)SayWhat? Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis is one of the more expensive airports to fly out of, so maybe they should consider what will it take to make the fares more competitive. In comparison the cost of living and the cost of labor in Memphis is supposedly lower compared to other cities, so why does it cost more to fly out of Memphis than many other cities by comparison? Memphis gives up fares too often to Little Rock and Nashville because of ticket prices.

MEM is not one of the most expensive airports to fly in and out of, it is THE MOST expensive airport. Maybe now we can get some reasonable prices.

I said one of the more expensive as the list provided will attest. While I agree Memphis is ranked as the highest rate per average ticket, by 16 cents over Cincinnati, it is only marginally higher than the 6th place Newark, being just $6.91 higher on average. If Memphis was grossly higher than the other cities on Boyd's list then claiming we are the "MOST expensive" would have more merit.

$476.22 Memphis
$476.06 Cincinnati
$474.92 Dulles
$473.10 Huntsville
$472.76 Houston
$469.31 Newark
$449.46 Harrisburg
$443.72 Buttchuggerville
$439.86 Madison
$428.26 Cleveland

Upon further research I looked at the Bureau of Transportation and the up to date info showing the fourth quarter of 2012 shows Memphis is now in the 6th spot and Huntsville is now the #1. Here is a list showing 100 US airports.
Table 14: Ranked by 4th Quarter 2012 Average Domestic Fare (current$)

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Fares are based on domestic itinerary fares. Itinerary fares consist of round-trip fares unless the customer does not purchase a return trip. In that case, the one-way fare is included. Fares are based on the total ticket value which consists of the price charged by the airlines plus any additional taxes and fees levied by an outside entity at the time of purchase. Fares include only the price paid at the time of the ticket purchase and do not include other fees paid at the airport or onboard the aircraft. Averages do not include frequent-flyer or “zero fares” or a few abnormally high reported fares.

Top 100 airports* (based on 2011 U.S. originating domestic passengers) ranked by average domestic itinerary fare in 4Q 2012 (current$)
Rank Airport Unadjusted Average Domestic Itinerary Fares (current$) Pct. Change
4Q 2000 4Q 2009 4Q 2010 4Q 2011 4Q 2012 2000-2012 2011-2012
1 Huntsville, AL 463 490 424 474 544 17.4 14.8
2 Cincinnati, OH 466 384 428 502 518 11.1 3.3
3 Houston Bush, TX 405 390 425 494 501 23.7 1.4
4 Washington Dulles 489 404 418 474 493 0.8 4.1
5 Newark-Liberty, NJ 458 406 460 474 484 5.8 2.2
6 Memphis, TN 377 401 403 484 480 27.4 -0.8
7 Madison, WI 400 368 415 469 470 17.5 0.3
8 Knoxville TN 420 413 428 425 463 10.4 9.0
9 Cleveland, OH 349 352 373 431 458 31.2 6.2
10 Grand Rapids, MI 395 412 360 418 455 15.1 8.9
11 Harrisburg, PA 453 371 391 442 446 -1.5 1.0
12 Newport News/Williamsburg, VA 265 283 292 328 431 62.4 31.4
13 Tulsa, OK 302 331 360 412 430 42.4 4.3
14 Pensacola, FL 415 392 358 433 429 3.3 -1.0
15 Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN 391 347 377 425 423 8.0 -0.5
16 San Francisco, CA 456 351 377 419 422 -7.5 0.8
17 Burlington, VT 378 352 377 408 420 10.9 2.9
18 Charleston, SC 431 383 448 411 419 -2.9 2.0
19 Jackson, MS 327 360 366 411 419 28.1 1.9
20 Richmond, VA 460 324 340 399 412 -10.3 3.2
21 Greensboro/High Point, NC 348 364 347 401 411 18.1 2.5
22 Albany, NY 322 351 374 403 411 27.5 2.0
23 Los Angeles, CA 358 355 371 407 409 14.2 0.4
24 Dallas-Fort Worth, TX 447 378 395 421 407 -9.0 -3.4
25 Detroit, MI 342 336 348 387 406 18.7 5.1
26 Oklahoma City, OK 306 346 367 400 405 32.5 1.5
27 Syracuse, NY 380 356 365 413 405 6.6 -2.0
28 New York JFK, NY 443 336 363 396 404 -8.8 1.9
29 Hartford, CT 340 371 362 389 403 18.7 3.6
30 Fresno, CA 386 378 385 416 402 4.1 -3.3
31 Charlotte, NC 495 340 345 397 397 -19.8 0.2
32 Wichita, KS 419 329 345 403 397 -5.2 -1.5
33 Greenville/Spartanburg, SC 481 422 410 380 394 -18.1 3.6
34 Norfolk/Virginia Beach, VA 387 355 360 394 394 1.8 0.0
35 Salt Lake City, UT 291 318 345 372 393 35.3 5.7
36 Seattle/Tacoma, WA 345 322 344 368 391 13.2 6.2
37 White Plains, NY 552 283 309 359 390 -29.3 8.5
38 Austin, TX 351 322 341 376 389 10.9 3.4
39 Birmingham, AL 306 332 344 388 389 26.9 0.1
40 Portland, ME 437 313 343 363 389 -11.1 7.0
41 Boise, ID 268 305 320 367 389 45.1 6.0
42 Chicago O'Hare, IL 406 338 357 374 388 -4.5 3.6
43 Philadelphia, PA 414 325 344 382 387 -6.5 1.3
44 Des Moines, IA 395 390 388 422 387 -2.1 -8.2
45 Louisville, KY 288 330 345 389 385 33.6 -1.1
46 Little Rock, AR 298 324 354 380 385 29.3 1.3
47 San Antonio, TX 304 309 326 362 381 25.1 5.1
48 El Paso, TX 258 305 339 374 378 46.5 1.2
49 Indianapolis, IN 309 295 308 371 376 21.5 1.4
Avg U.S. Average Domestic Itinerary Fare 340 320 335 368 374 9.9 1.5
50 Colorado Springs, CO 411 368 381 469 372 -9.5 -20.7
51 Boston, MA 405 336 326 353 371 -8.2 5.1
52 Omaha, NE 309 311 331 372 370 20.0 -0.3
53 Washington Reagan National 351 366 360 381 370 5.4 -3.0
54 Columbus, OH 313 293 308 354 368 17.6 4.1
55 Tucson, AZ 287 325 342 383 368 28.3 -3.8
56 Nashville, TN 294 308 325 353 367 24.7 4.1
57 Spokane, WA 251 299 309 344 367 45.8 6.6
58 Santa Ana (Orange County), CA 366 286 329 359 366 -0.1 1.8
59 Manchester, NH 323 306 313 341 365 13.1 7.2
60 Portland, OR 315 340 355 371 365 15.7 -1.5
61 Jacksonville, FL 284 290 299 351 363 27.8 3.7
62 Flint, MI 308 278 290 349 363 17.9 4.1
63 Dayton, OH 339 304 316 356 362 6.9 1.7
64 San Diego, CA 305 303 329 355 362 18.6 2.1
65 Pittsburgh, PA 422 294 302 342 362 -14.2 5.6
66 New Orleans, LA 271 297 301 343 361 33.4 5.3
67 Atlanta, GA 354 330 318 378 361 1.8 -4.6
68 Providence, RI 308 310 315 333 359 16.9 7.9
69 Albuquerque, NM 270 303 322 349 358 32.3 2.4
70 Miami, FL 365 322 331 351 356 -2.5 1.5
71 New York LaGuardia, NY 350 313 327 361 354 1.2 -2.0
72 Kansas City, MO 281 280 303 333 351 25.1 5.5
73 Sacramento, CA 267 288 315 345 351 31.6 1.8
74 Raleigh/Durham, NC 300 287 306 347 349 16.5 0.7
75 St. Louis, MO 352 297 312 340 347 -1.4 2.2
76 San Jose, CA 315 265 295 329 342 8.8 4.2
77 Rochester, NY 346 285 306 352 338 -2.3 -3.9
78 Ontario/San Bernardino, CA 255 282 299 327 338 32.6 3.2
79 Houston Hobby, TX 219 265 281 304 336 53.2 10.4
80 Phoenix, AZ 269 286 306 324 334 24.3 3.0
81 Milwaukee, WI 363 249 259 304 332 -8.6 9.2
82 Reno, NV 221 286 294 338 327 48.1 -3.3
83 Akron/Canton, OH 291 270 279 307 321 10.5 4.5
84 Denver, CO 419 292 299 329 320 -23.4 -2.5
85 Islip, NY 233 272 283 301 320 37.5 6.5
86 Baltimore, MD 277 269 284 322 318 14.8 -1.1
87 Buffalo/Niagara, NY 259 258 277 320 313 20.7 -2.3
88 West Palm Beach/Palm Beach, FL 315 270 277 317 311 -1.0 -1.9
89 Tampa, FL 276 272 278 314 309 12.1 -1.5
90 Chicago Midway, Il 221 257 275 290 304 37.7 4.7
91 Ft. Myers, FL 296 254 247 313 300 1.3 -4.1
92 Oakland, CA 243 254 271 287 299 22.8 4.2
93 Bellingham, WA 357 237 225 271 291 -18.6 7.5
94 Dallas Love, TX 198 235 255 277 283 43.2 2.2
95 Burbank/Glendale/Pasadena, CA 188 245 264 299 282 49.9 -5.8
96 Orlando, FL 274 239 243 274 276 0.4 0.5
97 Las Vegas, NV 226 241 256 267 268 18.5 0.3
98 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 254 240 244 269 267 5.4 -0.7
99 Long Beach, CA 300 230 234 229 234 -22.2 2.0
100 Atlantic City, NJ 227 190 156 189 157 -30.7 -16.5


Rank Metropolitan areas ranked by average domestic itinerary fare in 4Q 2012 (current$) Unadjusted Average Domestic Itinerary Fares (current$) Pct. Change
4Q 2000 4Q 2009 4Q 2010 4Q 2011 4Q 2012 2000-2012 2011-2012
1 Greater Houston 338 348 374 418 439 29.7 4.9
2 Greater New York City 407 346 373 402 406 -0.3 0.9
3 Greater Dallas/Fort Worth 384 343 364 391 380 -0.9 -2.7
4 Greater San Francisco 362 309 334 370 378 4.6 2.3
5 Greater Los Angeles 327 319 339 373 377 15.1 1.0
6 Greater Washington DC 344 330 339 376 372 8.0 -1.0
7 Greater Boston 376 328 323 349 369 -1.9 5.7
8 Greater Chicago 348 311 332 348 362 3.8 4.0

Airports included in metropolitan areas:

Greater Boston: Boston, Manchester, Providence
Greater Chicago: Midway, O'Hare
Greater Dallas-Fort Worth: Dallas-Fort Worth, Love
Greater Houston: Hobby, Bush Intercontinental
Greater Los Angeles: Burbank/Glendale/Pasadena, Long Beach, Los Angeles Int'l, Ontario, Santa Ana (Orange County)
Greater New York: Islip (Long Island), La Guardia, JFK, Newark, Newburgh, White Plains
Greater San Francisco: Oakland, San Francisco, San Jose
Greater Washington DC: Baltimore, Reagan National, Dulles

Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistics, Origin and Destination Survey: DB1BTicket

* Not including Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico.

Note: Percent change based on unrounded numbers