Consider this scenario:
Loyola-IL, Belmont, Oral Roberts to MVC (Southland at 13, Horizon at 8, OVC at 11)
IPFW and Oakland to Horizon Summit at 7)
Western Illinois to OVC (Summit at 6)
UTPA to Southland (WAC at 7)
Omaha, NDSU, USD, SDSU, Denver to WAC (Summit at 1)
James Madison to Sun Belt (CAA at 8)
Elon, Albany, Stony Brook, Coastal Carolina to CAA (SoCon at 7, America East at 7, Big South at 11)
ETSU, VMI, Mercer, Kennesaw State to SoCon (Atlantic Sun at 7, Big South at 10)
USC Upstate, Lipscomb to Big South (A-Sun at 5)
IUPUI, Northern Kentucky to Horizon (Summit at 0, A-Sun at 5)
FGCU, Stetson, Jacksonville, North Florida, NJIT to America East (A-Sun at 0)
(04-16-2013 10:02 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]Consider this scenario:
Loyola-IL, Belmont, Oral Roberts to MVC (Southland at 13, Horizon at 8, OVC at 11)
IPFW and Oakland to Horizon Summit at 7)
Western Illinois to OVC (Summit at 6)
UTPA to Southland (WAC at 7)
Omaha, NDSU, USD, SDSU, Denver to WAC (Summit at 1)
James Madison to Sun Belt (CAA at 8)
Elon, Albany, Stony Brook, Coastal Carolina to CAA (SoCon at 7, America East at 7, Big South at 11)
ETSU, VMI, Mercer, Kennesaw State to SoCon (Atlantic Sun at 7, Big South at 10)
USC Upstate, Lipscomb to Big South (A-Sun at 5)
IUPUI, Northern Kentucky to Horizon (Summit at 0, A-Sun at 5)
FGCU, Stetson, Jacksonville, North Florida, NJIT to America East (A-Sun at 0)
Totally agree that the ASun and Summit are at high risk of disbanding.
Instead of AEast absorbing the ASun and the WAC absorbing the Summit, could see the ASun and Summit temporarily merging, adding DII schools (to minimize travel and rebuilding), and then after a number of years, redividing. Would be a very weird conference, but there are DII schools in both regions looking to move up.
I think it'd be nice if we did. I don't think it'll happen though. I'd like to see some of the conferences get together and redistribute so there are fewer of them.
Maybe if you incentivized large conferences. Change the NCAA payout to be per team and give 80% for conferences below 10 and 100% to conferences of 10 or more to start it off.
it certainly wouldn't be the worst thing to happen
(04-16-2013 10:39 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote: [ -> ]it certainly wouldn't be the worst thing to happen
I can see Omaha going to the WAC. Denver and the Dakotas, not so much. I think the WAC becomes too large at 12.
(04-16-2013 11:08 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2013 10:39 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote: [ -> ]it certainly wouldn't be the worst thing to happen
I can see Omaha going to the WAC. Denver and the Dakotas, not so much. I think the WAC becomes too large at 12.
The WAC is so geographically widespread that a larger membership that permits divisional play would be desirable.
I thought this thread was going to be about the WAC and Sunbelt.
(04-16-2013 10:12 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of AEast absorbing the ASun and the WAC absorbing the Summit, could see the ASun and Summit temporarily merging, adding DII schools (to minimize travel and rebuilding), and then after a number of years, redividing. Would be a very weird conference, but there are DII schools in both regions looking to move up.
Agreed on both, though you never know about the value of the WAC brand. But your take is sound the other hand, with schools like Seattle and UCSB being so far west, the ASUN/Summit might prefer the likes of Lindenwood, UNA, Bellarmine to move up.
I also couldn't see the AEast reach so far south. It's a regional league that values cost-containment, cobbled together with schools who each value lax, BB, and hockey differently. If they lose UA and SBU they;d just go back to 8-9 with NJIT or whatever they could get form the NEC, mainly CCSU & Bryant.
I'm for any move with Omaha that forces them to get rid of that dirtbag Trev Alberts as the AD.
All this "Summit this," and "summit that" resulted in them dropping two programs -- one just hours after it won its third straight Division II national title.
Yes, Alberts cut the wrestling program the NIGHT they won the NCAA D2 title.
(04-16-2013 11:23 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2013 11:08 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2013 10:39 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote: [ -> ]it certainly wouldn't be the worst thing to happen
I can see Omaha going to the WAC. Denver and the Dakotas, not so much. I think the WAC becomes too large at 12.
The WAC is so geographically widespread that a larger membership that permits divisional play would be desirable.
Divisions for the WAC would be fine, I agree.
I don't think Nostradamus could predict the future of the WAC. Crazy conference. Could restart FBS football, could die, could defacto merge with the Summit, I've given up prognasticating.
IF it comes down to the Summit or the WAC, I think the WAC will win, because it is worth more money.
I think it is going to take a couple years to play out. Everyone seems to be moving in baby steps. I think when the Big East adds more schools for 2014 then the A ten will add schools, and the Horizon will add schools, and then it will sort itself out.
The danger for the WAC is NMSU going all sports to the Belt, and UTPA being invited to the SLC. I think the odds are low, but that is the one scenario that could put the WAC autobid at risk and give the advantage back to the Summit.
(04-17-2013 02:41 AM)CPslograd Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2013 11:23 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2013 11:08 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2013 10:39 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote: [ -> ]it certainly wouldn't be the worst thing to happen
I can see Omaha going to the WAC. Denver and the Dakotas, not so much. I think the WAC becomes too large at 12.
The WAC is so geographically widespread that a larger membership that permits divisional play would be desirable.
Divisions for the WAC would be fine, I agree.
I don't think Nostradamus could predict the future of the WAC. Crazy conference. Could restart FBS football, could die, could defacto merge with the Summit, I've given up prognasticating.
IF it comes down to the Summit or the WAC, I think the WAC will win, because it is worth more money.
I think it is going to take a couple years to play out. Everyone seems to be moving in baby steps. I think when the Big East adds more schools for 2014 then the A ten will add schools, and the Horizon will add schools, and then it will sort itself out.
The danger for the WAC is NMSU going all sports to the Belt, and UTPA being invited to the SLC. I think the odds are low, but that is the one scenario that could put the WAC autobid at risk and give the advantage back to the Summit.
Given that UTPA tried to get into the Southland just the past year and was denied, they aren't in any danger of moving from the WAC.
If ORU is invited to the MVC, the SLC could rethink UTPA.
(04-17-2013 10:29 AM)CPslograd Wrote: [ -> ]If ORU is invited to the MVC, the SLC could rethink UTPA.
With Abilene Christian, Univ of Incarnate Word, Houston Baptist and Univ of New Orleans (who is starting football in 2015) joining next year bringing the conference to 12 football schools, I don't think they'll be in a hurry to add even with 13 schools (A&M-CC is non-fb) for the rest of the sports.
Also, since UTPA is starting men's soccer as a requirement for WAC membership, the Southland is now in the rear-view mirror since they don't sponsor men's soccer.
(Edit: On a side note: A&M-CC just broke ground on a new track/soccer field for the new women's soccer program...I might wonder if the WAC can pull them from the Southland when UTPA gets going but not sure how strong the admins are tied to the Southland.)
Good point about mens soccer, hadn't thought about that.
(04-17-2013 10:29 AM)CPslograd Wrote: [ -> ]If ORU is invited to the MVC, the SLC could rethink UTPA.
The Southland has shown time and again that they are not interested in UTPA. Pan Am must have really pissed somebody off (or it could just be that they don't play football) . With Abilene Christian's recent move into the league, I wouldn't be surprised to see more Lone Star Conference teams moving up with them. All of the teams listed below have football and some success at the D2 level.
Tarleton State (located between Abilene and Dallas/Fort Worth) just approved a new athletic fee which will completely overhaul their athletic facilities. According to sources, this is what kept them out when they applied in 2005. The new president seems confident that a move to D1 FCS could happen after these improvements are done.
West Texas A&M is located just outside of Amarillo. They are currently D2, but formerly played in the Missouri Valley with a 20,000 person stadium, access to local Minor league facilities.
Midwestern State (Wichita Falls) and Angelo State (San Angelo) are both located in midsized West Texas media markets. The Southland's brand is regional, and they are just looking for ways to push their game of the week to other mid-sized markets.
If they don't want to stretch the footprint, A&M-Commerce is an East Texas located between Dallas and the rest of the conference. They have 11,000 students and a stadium that is on the average for SLC size.
If they really want South Texas, they could look at Texas A&M-Kingsville. The Javelinas are the team of South Texas with 7 National titles, a 15,000 person stadium, a committed fanbase. They are the only football team south of San Antonio and it is located between Corpus Christi and the Rio Grande Valley (with alumni bases in both markets and San Antonio)
(04-17-2013 10:52 AM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ] (04-17-2013 10:29 AM)CPslograd Wrote: [ -> ]If ORU is invited to the MVC, the SLC could rethink UTPA.
With Abilene Christian, Univ of Incarnate Word, Houston Baptist and Univ of New Orleans (who is starting football in 2015) joining next year bringing the conference to 12 football schools, I don't think they'll be in a hurry to add even with 13 schools (A&M-CC is non-fb) for the rest of the sports.
Also, since UTPA is starting men's soccer as a requirement for WAC membership, the Southland is now in the rear-view mirror since they don't sponsor men's soccer.
That could change. With Incarnate Word, HBU, Central Arkansas and Oral Roberts the Southland now has enough full members who sponsor men's soccer where they can go find affiliates and make it a conference sport; the chances increase if Texas A&M CC starts their own program up. I doubt the Southland would do that though.
(04-17-2013 12:21 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ] (04-17-2013 10:52 AM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ] (04-17-2013 10:29 AM)CPslograd Wrote: [ -> ]If ORU is invited to the MVC, the SLC could rethink UTPA.
With Abilene Christian, Univ of Incarnate Word, Houston Baptist and Univ of New Orleans (who is starting football in 2015) joining next year bringing the conference to 12 football schools, I don't think they'll be in a hurry to add even with 13 schools (A&M-CC is non-fb) for the rest of the sports.
Also, since UTPA is starting men's soccer as a requirement for WAC membership, the Southland is now in the rear-view mirror since they don't sponsor men's soccer.
That could change. With Incarnate Word, HBU, Central Arkansas and Oral Roberts the Southland now has enough full members who sponsor men's soccer where they can go find affiliates and make it a conference sport; the chances increase if Texas A&M CC starts their own program up. I doubt the Southland would do that though.
While true, I don't think most of those schools could support FCS football and men's soccer while the need to add more women's sports to meet Title 9 issues.
If Texas A&M-CC added men's soccer, they may be a WAC candidate coming up soon as UTPA would be a great travel partner.
(04-17-2013 10:29 AM)CPslograd Wrote: [ -> ]If ORU is invited to the MVC, the SLC could rethink UTPA.
Don't count on that happening. In the rare chance that we go to twelve teams I don't see Oral Roberts being one of them.
(04-17-2013 01:03 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2013 10:12 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of AEast absorbing the ASun and the WAC absorbing the Summit, could see the ASun and Summit temporarily merging, adding DII schools (to minimize travel and rebuilding), and then after a number of years, redividing. Would be a very weird conference, but there are DII schools in both regions looking to move up.
Agreed on both, though you never know about the value of the WAC brand. But your take is sound the other hand, with schools like Seattle and UCSB being so far west, the ASUN/Summit might prefer the likes of Lindenwood, UNA, Bellarmine to move up.
I also couldn't see the AEast reach so far south. It's a regional league that values cost-containment, cobbled together with schools who each value lax, BB, and hockey differently. If they lose UA and SBU they;d just go back to 8-9 with NJIT or whatever they could get form the NEC, mainly CCSU & Bryant.
Schools rumored to have interest in the ASUN are Nova Southeastern, Columbus St, West Georgia (needs a football spot), Lincoln Memorial, Wingate, and maybe Georgia Regents and North Georgia. UNA would look at it too. Maybe even more Florida schools like Tampa and Barry would upgrade.
For the Summit, if they went with a football option, Grand Valley St, Wayne St, and maybe even Saginaw Valley St become options. Later Lindenwood or a school like Washburn. Southern Indiana and Bellarmine are thought to have interest.
(04-17-2013 01:19 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote: [ -> ] (04-17-2013 10:29 AM)CPslograd Wrote: [ -> ]If ORU is invited to the MVC, the SLC could rethink UTPA.
Don't count on that happening. In the rare chance that we go to twelve teams I don't see Oral Roberts being one of them.
Then the WAC needs to try to add ORU. Give'm the MBB tournament every four years or so, give'm money, whatever. Would be a great add for the WAC.