How committed is American Metro Conference in bringing two other service academies?
Old BE has always wanted to stay at 12. But invitations could be given if Army and Air Force want to join. How realistic is this?
Once hypothetically Conference Metro add Air Force, can we make a pitch to BYU again?
Or what is your guys vision in American Metro Conference? What are your strategies and targets?
(04-02-2013 01:42 PM)Pony94 Wrote: [ -> ]no
No, only because we cant. If we could, then yes,yes,yes.
(04-02-2013 01:41 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: [ -> ]How committed is American Metro Conference in bringing two other service academies?
I'm sure the conference is committed but there's zero indication of mutual interest from Army or Air Force.
(04-02-2013 01:42 PM)Pony94 Wrote: [ -> ]no
Air Force isnt coming. Thier preference is to stay with Colorado St and Wyoming. Unless the plan includes them, I doubt there is any interest in within the AF leadership to become an outlier in a far flung non-AQ conference. Theres just not much motivation for them to make that move at this point.
Given thier location, Army could be an option if they decide they can compete. The geography would work well for Army....not so sure they can handle the competition level.
(04-02-2013 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2013 01:42 PM)Pony94 Wrote: [ -> ]no
Air Force isnt coming. Thier prefence is to stay with Colorado St and Wyoming. Unless the plan includes them, I doubt there is any interest in within the AF leadership to become an outlier in a far flung non-AQ conference. Theres just not much motivation for them to make that move at this point.
Given thier location, Army could be an option if they decide they can compete. The geography would work well for Army....not so sure they can handle the competition level.
If their preference was to stay with Wyoming and Colorado State, why Air Force almost joined BE?
Tulsa could be a good geographic partner, all in the mid-west.
The big reason one year ago was the TV $$. Now we get tons of exposure and more than 80% football games on TV.
Just hard to imagine how someone like Air Force could turn down that.
I would love to have all of the service academies, but Im not too sure they want to join. Army is the most likely, but they tried and left the old CUSA just a decade ago.
(04-02-2013 01:53 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: [ -> ]If their preference was to stay with Wyoming and Colorado State, why Air Force almost joined BE?
Just hard to imagine how someone like Air Force could turn down that.
Didn't they turn down the nBE when it was believed the conf was going to be well paid? If so, why would they accept now?
Face it, Army won't come do to their inability to compete and Air Force can make far more as an Independent or stay where they are.
Oh and the BYU Luxury Liner was never venturing to a port near you.
Can we move along now.......
(04-02-2013 01:41 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: [ -> ]How committed is American Metro Conference in bringing two other service academies?
Old BE has always wanted to stay at 12. But invitations could be given if Army and Air Force want to join. How realistic is this?
Once hypothetically Conference Metro add Air Force, can we make a pitch to BYU again?
Or what is your guys vision in American Metro Conference? What are your strategies and targets?
I would have added Army and Navy together so that two good bball programs could be added. Now that Tulsa is coming, it makes no sense to just add Navy and one good bball program. Instead, I would make concessions and go after BYU again. It was a much better choice than Boise St to begin with. BYU has its own network that could probably broadcast the other 10% of fb games and some of the 40-something% of bball games that won't be televised just to entice it to join. BYU would make more money than the other schools, but this conference will need another national brand once Louisville arrives on the shores of the ACC in its life boat....
(04-02-2013 02:11 PM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2013 01:41 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: [ -> ]How committed is American Metro Conference in bringing two other service academies?
Old BE has always wanted to stay at 12. But invitations could be given if Army and Air Force want to join. How realistic is this?
Once hypothetically Conference Metro add Air Force, can we make a pitch to BYU again?
Or what is your guys vision in American Metro Conference? What are your strategies and targets?
I would have added Army and Navy together so that two good bball programs could be added. Now that Tulsa is coming, it makes no sense to just add Navy and one good bball program. Instead, I would make concessions and go after BYU again. It was a much better choice than Boise St to begin with. BYU has its own network that could probably broadcast the other 10% of fb games and 40-something% of bball games that won't be televised. BYU would make more money than the other schools, but this conference will need another national brand once Louisville arrives on the shores of the ACC in its life boat....
With Tulsa coming, you don't see Navy being added alone, that is what you are trying to say?
Why not? Just asking...
BYU would be interesting. Let them keep the TV deal they have with ESPN while this conference provides them playoff bowl access. Add Southern Miss as 14 to finish off the league.
West: BYU, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, Southern Miss
East: UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF
Probably not going to happen but that would be a heck of a league. Not a bad place to wait out the next wave of realignment.
(04-02-2013 02:15 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2013 02:11 PM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2013 01:41 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: [ -> ]How committed is American Metro Conference in bringing two other service academies?
Old BE has always wanted to stay at 12. But invitations could be given if Army and Air Force want to join. How realistic is this?
Once hypothetically Conference Metro add Air Force, can we make a pitch to BYU again?
Or what is your guys vision in American Metro Conference? What are your strategies and targets?
I would have added Army and Navy together so that two good bball programs could be added. Now that Tulsa is coming, it makes no sense to just add Navy and one good bball program. Instead, I would make concessions and go after BYU again. It was a much better choice than Boise St to begin with. BYU has its own network that could probably broadcast the other 10% of fb games and 40-something% of bball games that won't be televised. BYU would make more money than the other schools, but this conference will need another national brand once Louisville arrives on the shores of the ACC in its life boat....
With Tulsa coming, you don't see Navy being added alone, that is what you are trying to say?
Why not? Just asking...
BYU has more to offer, which I explained.... Moreover, imagine a western division with BYU, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, etc...not bad, in fact would be what this conference needs. However, I would invite Army and Navy when more teams eventually leave this conference.
(04-02-2013 02:03 PM)Steve509 Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't they turn down the nBE when it was believed the conf was going to be well paid? If so, why would they accept now?
No one knows but I bet if I check this thread tomorrow it'll be 10 pages.
(04-02-2013 01:53 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2013 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2013 01:42 PM)Pony94 Wrote: [ -> ]no
Air Force isnt coming. Thier prefence is to stay with Colorado St and Wyoming. Unless the plan includes them, I doubt there is any interest in within the AF leadership to become an outlier in a far flung non-AQ conference. Theres just not much motivation for them to make that move at this point.
Given thier location, Army could be an option if they decide they can compete. The geography would work well for Army....not so sure they can handle the competition level.
If their preference was to stay with Wyoming and Colorado State, why Air Force almost joined BE?
Tulsa could be a good geographic partner, all in the mid-west.
The big reason one year ago was the TV $$. Now we get tons of exposure and more than 80% football games on TV.
Just hard to imagine how someone like Air Force could turn down that.
They didnt join. In fact, they didnt join when they had partners in Boise and SDSU. They didnt join when the conference was expected to sign a contract that would pay 10 million a year per school. If they turned the BE down then--why on earth would they accept now?
(04-02-2013 02:19 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote: [ -> ]BYU would be interesting. Let them keep the TV deal they have with ESPN while this conference provides them playoff bowl access. Add Southern Miss as 14 to finish off the league.
West: BYU, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, Southern Miss
East: UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF
Probably not going to happen but that would be a heck of a league. Not a bad place to wait out the next wave of realignment.
I'm with you on BYU.... It's not even about the money anymore with this conference.
(04-02-2013 01:41 PM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: [ -> ]How committed is American Metro Conference in bringing two other service academies?
Old BE has always wanted to stay at 12. But invitations could be given if Army and Air Force want to join. How realistic is this?
Once hypothetically Conference Metro add Air Force, can we make a pitch to BYU again?
Or what is your guys vision in American Metro Conference? What are your strategies and targets?
I've been saying for months (even before ECU got the invite) that BYU will not / would not come to the former Big East. That still stands.
Air Force and Army like where they are as well and IMHO the fact that Navy joins in 2015 really has little effect on them changing their minds. They can still play Navy OOC (without doing a "lateral" move) and they know that. There's really no reason for them to move.
(04-02-2013 02:25 PM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2013 02:19 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote: [ -> ]BYU would be interesting. Let them keep the TV deal they have with ESPN while this conference provides them playoff bowl access. Add Southern Miss as 14 to finish off the league.
West: BYU, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, Southern Miss
East: UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF
Probably not going to happen but that would be a heck of a league. Not a bad place to wait out the next wave of realignment.
I'm with you on BYU.... It's not even about the money anymore with this conference.
A big reason (IMHO) why the western division of the Big East fell apart was that the conference leadership was *too* focused on going after BYU when everyone should have realized they had zero interest in anyone other than the Big 12 and Pac-12 (the latter of which will never invite them for political reasons, anyway). Take attackcoog's post about Air Force even further with BYU: BYU turned the Big East down when they were actually projecting ACC-type TV money and still had Louisville and Rutgers. I said this over a year ago here: BYU has completely different rationale than every single other school at the FBS level. Part of it is identity as a national (or even international) school, part of it is having a high sense of self worth on one level, and another part of it is that it needs to hook itself in being perceived as "special" in a way that trumps (or is at least equal to) rival Utah's membership in the Pac-12 on another level. BYU can trumpet itself as being "special" as an independent ("We have a national fan base!") in a way that it can't as a member of any Gang of Five conference. Believe me - that's a HUGE deal with their alumni base much more than having to play New Mexico State and Idaho in November. The Big East wasted valuable time pursuing BYU when it could have added virtually any other MWC school besides Air Force that it wanted to last year (and thereby would have retained Boise State and San Diego State in the process without having to give Boise any type of special TV deal)... and that's when the Big East actually had some hypothetical leverage. That leverage is completely gone now.
(04-02-2013 02:19 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote: [ -> ]BYU would be interesting. Let them keep the TV deal they have with ESPN while this conference provides them playoff bowl access. Add Southern Miss as 14 to finish off the league.
West: BYU, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, Southern Miss
East: UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF
Probably not going to happen but that would be a heck of a league. Not a bad place to wait out the next wave of realignment.
If you could get BYU to take that deal I'd be just fine with it. I'd say thats a long shot. To me, its about building the best confernece possible at this time--so I'd at least approach them with the option. I'd also give BYU the option of all-sports.
I'd make that move and I'd also add VCU and Witchata.