adding ULL and stAte would move UAB east and give USM ULL and La Tech as close schools with good traveling fan bases. by moving to two 8 team divisions it would cut travel costs. it also puts uab back with traditional rivals UNCC, WKU, and ODU.
I'd have no problem going to 16 but we already have a team in Louisiana. Why not add Delaware instead of ULL and just move one of the Florida schools to the West side so that the West teams can take a trip to Florida on occasion as well? FAU and FIU can have a permanent cross division rivalry in football.
East:
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
UAB
ODU
Charlotte
Delaware
FIU
West:
Southern Miss
La Tech
Arkansas State
UTSA
North Texas
FAU
Rice
UTEP
(03-31-2013 08:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd have no problem going to 16 but we already have a team in Louisiana. Why not add Delaware instead of ULL and just move one of the Florida schools to the West side so that the West teams can take a trip to Florida on occasion as well? FAU and FIU can have a permanent cross division rivalry in football.
East:
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
UAB
ODU
Charlotte
Delaware
FIU
West:
Southern Miss
La Tech
Arkansas State
UTSA
North Texas
FAU
Rice
UTEP
The Florida schools want to stay together. Besides, ull is at the other end of the state from LA tech.
Also, I'm not too enamored with Delaware, I think they'd have a tough time maintaining their current tradition of winning at this level an I think they realize that, which is why they're reluctant to move up.
Would like to find a way to keep UAB and USM in the East together. There has been scuttlebutt of doing that but I'm afraid USM will go west.
Here's the problem with going to 16. There are two and they are both revenue based.
1. There is no one else that can be added that's going to allow the per team annual TV value to remain the same. If you're old guard you've already seen your TV revenue reduced by about $150,000.
2. The playoff revenue distribution is going to be done by conference not by team so the more teams you have the less each team will get. There is absolutely no circumstance that warrants additional adds. Frankly and though I admit Western was the logical choice to be added I would have been ok with staying at 13. Hell, Southern Miss may announce they're leaving next and by continuing to add all we do is ensure we're going to have to keep adding when someone else leaves but it's also going to reduce revenue. And revenue is one of the reasons we have been striving to be in this league.
So if you're old guard why do you want to continue to see your revenues decline and if your the newbie you're looking around saying wait a minute why would we continue to take actions that undermine the reason we came here in the first place?
The Tech preference:
1. Don't add anyone right now; sit tight and see what happens.
2. New Mexico State (basketball and Aggie Vision).
3. Texas State (tons of potential).
4. Any school within the United States or Canada looking for a new conference.
5. University of Louisiana Hyphen Lafayette.
6. University of Louisiana Hyphen Monroe.
I really doubt Southern Miss is going anywhere.[/align]
Quote:So if you're old guard why do you want to continue to see your revenues decline and if your the newbie you're looking around saying wait a minute why would we continue to take actions that undermine the reason we came here in the first place?
While adding more mouths to feed at the table isn't an optimal solution, UAB in a grouping with 4 Texas schools is close to our worst case scenario. Although we do recruit there, it is so far down our area of primary targeting that playing in Texas simply won't help our recruiting to the degree playing in Florida would.
UAB lobbied for MTSU, WKU, ODU and Charlotte and ending up in a division without some or all of those is simply not in our school's best interest.
Even breaking away and forming a new south-eastern / south-central conference would be better than having our football team stuck making two road trips to Texas every season.
This current grouping of C-USA schools is far from stable, adding two while not the best option, is better than leading the eastern schools having an airport meeting a few years down the line.
(03-31-2013 09:28 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the problem with going to 16. There are two and they are both revenue based.
1. There is no one else that can be added that's going to allow the per team annual TV value to remain the same. If you're old guard you've already seen your TV revenue reduced by about $150,000.
2. The playoff revenue distribution is going to be done by conference not by team so the more teams you have the less each team will get. There is absolutely no circumstance that warrants additional adds. Frankly and though I admit Western was the logical choice to be added I would have been ok with staying at 13. Hell, Southern Miss may announce they're leaving next and by continuing to add all we do is ensure we're going to have to keep adding when someone else leaves but it's also going to reduce revenue. And revenue is one of the reasons we have been striving to be in this league.
So if you're old guard why do you want to continue to see your revenues decline and if your the newbie you're looking around saying wait a minute why would we continue to take actions that undermine the reason we came here in the first place?
Not necessarily. The method of distribution is up to the Gang of Five. The latest rumor is that each team in the Go5 will get $1 million and the remainder of the money will be divided between the conferences based on competitiveness. The #1 conference will get more than the #2 conference which will get more than the #3 conference, etc.
I think the powers that be have to consider a few points before further expansion:
1. Who is available? What value would they add to the conference? A school like Ohio would seem to be a great add (although I realize that's highly unlikely). A school with a mediocre fan base and/or record of success...not so much.
2. Will the reduction in TV money/school be offset by a reduction in travel costs from more compact East/West divisions? Or will it at least be close to offsetting the TV money reduction?
3. Which division is acceptable to USM? If moving west is intolerable to them, it would create problems. If they're ambivalent, then that would be the easiest solution.
I would love to keep at least UAB in the East to re-establish rivalries with ODU, Charlotte and WKU (and create new ones with MTSU). I think that would be in the league's best interest long term. Likewise, I would love to keep USM in the East, but I understand that may not be possible.
I agree with previous posters that the Florida twins have to stay together, probably in the East. Culturally, I think that's the best fit. I also think we would look really stupid with 2 Florida schools in the West division. Kind of like SDSU being in the "Big East."
(03-31-2013 10:07 AM)Funslinger Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2013 09:28 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the problem with going to 16. There are two and they are both revenue based.
1. There is no one else that can be added that's going to allow the per team annual TV value to remain the same. If you're old guard you've already seen your TV revenue reduced by about $150,000.
2. The playoff revenue distribution is going to be done by conference not by team so the more teams you have the less each team will get. There is absolutely no circumstance that warrants additional adds. Frankly and though I admit Western was the logical choice to be added I would have been ok with staying at 13. Hell, Southern Miss may announce they're leaving next and by continuing to add all we do is ensure we're going to have to keep adding when someone else leaves but it's also going to reduce revenue. And revenue is one of the reasons we have been striving to be in this league.
So if you're old guard why do you want to continue to see your revenues decline and if your the newbie you're looking around saying wait a minute why would we continue to take actions that undermine the reason we came here in the first place?
Not necessarily. The method of distribution is up to the Gang of Five. The latest rumor is that each team in the Go5 will get $1 million and the remainder will be divided between the conferences based on competitiveness. The #1 conference will get more than the #2 conference which will get more than the #3 conference, etc.
if thats the case then we would want to take ull and stAte to weaken the belt and strengthen CUSA.
(03-31-2013 09:30 AM)RougeDawg Wrote: [ -> ]The Tech preference:
1. Don't add anyone right now; sit tight and see what happens.
2. New Mexico State (basketball and Aggie Vision).
3. Texas State (tons of potential).
4. Any school within the United States or Canada looking for a new conference.
5. University of Louisiana Hyphen Lafayette.
6. University of Louisiana Hyphen Monroe.
7. Troy State
FIFY
(03-31-2013 10:09 AM)Maryland Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]I think the powers that be have to consider a few points before further expansion:
1. Who is available? What value would they add to the conference? A school like Ohio would seem to be a great add (although I realize that's highly unlikely). A school with a mediocre fan base and/or record of success...not so much.
2. Will the reduction in TV money/school be offset by a reduction in travel costs from more compact East/West divisions? Or will it at least be close to offsetting the TV money reduction?
3. Which division is acceptable to USM? If moving west is intolerable to them, it would create problems. If they're ambivalent, then that would be the easiest solution.
I would love to keep at least UAB in the East to re-establish rivalries with ODU, Charlotte and WKU (and create new ones with MTSU). I think that would be in the league's best interest long term. Likewise, I would love to keep USM in the East, but I understand that may not be possible.
I agree with previous posters that the Florida twins have to stay together, probably in the East. Culturally, I think that's the best fit. I also think we would look really stupid with 2 Florida schools in the West division. Kind of like SDSU being in the "Big East."
As the lone remaining charter member of C-USA that has always been in the conference, Southern Miss should get its choice of division placement. If we want to be in the East, we should be in the East.
(03-31-2013 10:14 AM)Funslinger Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Maryland Monarch' pid='9177531' dateline='1364742552']
As the lone remaining charter member of C-USA that has always been in the conference, Southern Miss should get its choice of division placement. If we want to be in the East, we should be in the East.
That's the way it should be. But Southern Miss (and UAB) are the only schools in which Britain Banowsky had nothing to do with bringing into C-USA. And from the way I've seen Banowsky operate the last year, your charter status may bring you the precise opposite treatment from which you deserve.
(03-31-2013 10:07 AM)Funslinger Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2013 09:28 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the problem with going to 16. There are two and they are both revenue based.
1. There is no one else that can be added that's going to allow the per team annual TV value to remain the same. If you're old guard you've already seen your TV revenue reduced by about $150,000.
2. The playoff revenue distribution is going to be done by conference not by team so the more teams you have the less each team will get. There is absolutely no circumstance that warrants additional adds. Frankly and though I admit Western was the logical choice to be added I would have been ok with staying at 13. Hell, Southern Miss may announce they're leaving next and by continuing to add all we do is ensure we're going to have to keep adding when someone else leaves but it's also going to reduce revenue. And revenue is one of the reasons we have been striving to be in this league.
So if you're old guard why do you want to continue to see your revenues decline and if your the newbie you're looking around saying wait a minute why would we continue to take actions that undermine the reason we came here in the first place?
Not necessarily. The method of distribution is up to the Gang of Five. The latest rumor is that each team in the Go5 will get $1 million and the remainder of the money will be divided between the conferences based on competitiveness. The #1 conference will get more than the #2 conference which will get more than the #3 conference, etc.
Only if you think we're not going to be better than the MAC and Sun Belt already. If we're already going to be better then it doesn't make sense to add just to weaken a league that's already going to be weaker than us. Even under this model we're going to get the same amount if we're just a little bit better than we would if we were immensely better.
(03-31-2013 08:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd have no problem going to 16 but we already have a team in Louisiana. Why not add Delaware instead of ULL and just move one of the Florida schools to the West side so that the West teams can take a trip to Florida on occasion as well? FAU and FIU can have a permanent cross division rivalry in football.
East:
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
UAB
ODU
Charlotte
Delaware
FIU
West:
Southern Miss
La Tech
Arkansas State
UTSA
North Texas
FAU
Rice
UTEP
2/3 of the State of Louisiana's population of 4.6 million people reside along to I-10/U.S. 90 corridor that runs East/West from the Texas/La/ border to the Mississippi/LA. border. 820,000 people reside within a 50 mile radius of Lafayette...La. Tech and UL might as well be in different states...
We don't have to keep the football, basketball, and/or non-revenue sports divisions the same. We could split the F_U schools for football with permanent rival status in order to give both divisions a Florida trip, but keep them together in other sports. We could also put North Texas or Rice in the "East" for football for a similar reason. Because those schools are in the Miami/Dallas/Houston hubs, it really isn't that much more expensive to get there (than say a Ruston or Huntington). In fact, the in-a-plane distance between Huntington and Dallas is only 15 miles longer than between Huntington and Miami.
(03-31-2013 10:14 AM)Funslinger Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2013 10:09 AM)Maryland Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]I think the powers that be have to consider a few points before further expansion:
1. Who is available? What value would they add to the conference? A school like Ohio would seem to be a great add (although I realize that's highly unlikely). A school with a mediocre fan base and/or record of success...not so much.
2. Will the reduction in TV money/school be offset by a reduction in travel costs from more compact East/West divisions? Or will it at least be close to offsetting the TV money reduction?
3. Which division is acceptable to USM? If moving west is intolerable to them, it would create problems. If they're ambivalent, then that would be the easiest solution.
I would love to keep at least UAB in the East to re-establish rivalries with ODU, Charlotte and WKU (and create new ones with MTSU). I think that would be in the league's best interest long term. Likewise, I would love to keep USM in the East, but I understand that may not be possible.
I agree with previous posters that the Florida twins have to stay together, probably in the East. Culturally, I think that's the best fit. I also think we would look really stupid with 2 Florida schools in the West division. Kind of like SDSU being in the "Big East."
As the lone remaining charter member of C-USA that has always been in the conference, Southern Miss should get its choice of division placement. If we want to be in the East, we should be in the East.
It's free info so take it for what its worth but I've heard we really want to be in the West. (we = Southern Miss).
Same hear cyc. I think the issue becomes what do you do with three teams in the center (UAB, MT, WKU). One has to go west unless they come up with a different model like Greenmississippi brought up which is actually an interesting idea.
(03-31-2013 12:23 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Same hear cyc. I think the issue becomes what do you do with three teams in the center (UAB, MT, WKU). One has to go west unless they come up with a different model like Greenmississippi brought up which is actually an interesting idea.
Since we don't know the final outcome, it makes for a tough debate. However, I like G's concept as well, and would do what it takes to make the most "cents" out of the this.