03-31-2013, 01:16 AM
by getting the NCAA to pass a new rule allowing 20 member conferences to have a four game conference playoff, will the other conferences follow their lead and also go to 20?
(03-31-2013 01:16 AM)Lurker Above Wrote: [ -> ]by getting the NCAA to pass a new rule allowing 20 member conferences to have a four game conference playoff, will the other conferences follow their lead and also go to 20?
(03-31-2013 06:40 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote: [ -> ]I still don't see 20 happening, but if it did, I don't think everyone would necessarily go to 20. While there are enough quality schools in the eastern half of the US to have three 20-team conferences (and maybe four), the west just doesn't have enough schools that will be attractive enough to warrant the increase in teams. Of course, if the PAC wanted to reconsider something with schools from the Big XII, then they could get to 20 easily, but I don't think it will happen. The Big 10 or the SEC may do it and I could even see the ACC, but it's hard for me to envision a good PAC 20-team lineup, expecially if it didn't include Texas, Oklahoma or both.
(03-31-2013 06:47 AM)bearcat29 Wrote: [ -> ]the good old ACC is what is going to change!!!!(03-31-2013 06:40 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote: [ -> ]I still don't see 20 happening, but if it did, I don't think everyone would necessarily go to 20. While there are enough quality schools in the eastern half of the US to have three 20-team conferences (and maybe four), the west just doesn't have enough schools that will be attractive enough to warrant the increase in teams. Of course, if the PAC wanted to reconsider something with schools from the Big XII, then they could get to 20 easily, but I don't think it will happen. The Big 10 or the SEC may do it and I could even see the ACC, but it's hard for me to envision a good PAC 20-team lineup, expecially if it didn't include Texas, Oklahoma or both.
going to 16 will decrease my love of CFB, 20 will kill it.
I really hope the B10 implode in the end.
(03-31-2013 06:40 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote: [ -> ]I still don't see 20 happening, but if it did, I don't think everyone would necessarily go to 20. While there are enough quality schools in the eastern half of the US to have three 20-team conferences (and maybe four), the west just doesn't have enough schools that will be attractive enough to warrant the increase in teams. Of course, if the PAC wanted to reconsider something with schools from the Big XII, then they could get to 20 easily, but I don't think it will happen. The Big 10 or the SEC may do it and I could even see the ACC, but it's hard for me to envision a good PAC 20-team lineup, expecially if it didn't include Texas, Oklahoma or both.There are roughly 3 cut off points for investment in sports that separates the would be upper tier teams from the rest, 60 teams, 67 teams, and 71 teams. That is why 60, 64, 68, and 72 have been the most possible numbers for an upper tier. The most definitive break occurs at 60.
(03-31-2013 08:38 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]Twenty team conferences are very possible, especially for the Big Ten. I think the SEC will want to stick to 16 teams if at all possible but there is that chance that they end up helping another really big move in order to secure the votes of those two major groupings of Universities.
That being said I don't see the NCAA rule being for 20 teams but instead for 16 teams so that the smaller conferences will see it as achieveable. They are part of the NCAA too. Their votes are definitely achieveable but they will need to be thrown a small bone so they can show that off to their peoples when they get questioned about why they went along with it all.
(03-31-2013 09:03 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ](03-31-2013 08:38 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]Twenty team conferences are very possible, especially for the Big Ten. I think the SEC will want to stick to 16 teams if at all possible but there is that chance that they end up helping another really big move in order to secure the votes of those two major groupings of Universities.
That being said I don't see the NCAA rule being for 20 teams but instead for 16 teams so that the smaller conferences will see it as achieveable. They are part of the NCAA too. Their votes are definitely achieveable but they will need to be thrown a small bone so they can show that off to their peoples when they get questioned about why they went along with it all.
He1nous as often as you cite the NCAA I am going to remind you that if we move to 60 or 64 upper tier teams there is not going to be an NCAA for them. There will be a breakaway.
(03-31-2013 09:04 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ](03-31-2013 09:03 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ](03-31-2013 08:38 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]Twenty team conferences are very possible, especially for the Big Ten. I think the SEC will want to stick to 16 teams if at all possible but there is that chance that they end up helping another really big move in order to secure the votes of those two major groupings of Universities.
That being said I don't see the NCAA rule being for 20 teams but instead for 16 teams so that the smaller conferences will see it as achieveable. They are part of the NCAA too. Their votes are definitely achieveable but they will need to be thrown a small bone so they can show that off to their peoples when they get questioned about why they went along with it all.
He1nous as often as you cite the NCAA I am going to remind you that if we move to 60 or 64 upper tier teams there is not going to be an NCAA for them. There will be a breakaway.
I disagree, that is why I cite the NCAA as I do. I think the rest of the schools will cave to the demands and the Majors will give them a bone to chew on so that it looks like they got something in return.
(03-31-2013 09:11 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ](03-31-2013 09:04 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ](03-31-2013 09:03 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ](03-31-2013 08:38 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]Twenty team conferences are very possible, especially for the Big Ten. I think the SEC will want to stick to 16 teams if at all possible but there is that chance that they end up helping another really big move in order to secure the votes of those two major groupings of Universities.
That being said I don't see the NCAA rule being for 20 teams but instead for 16 teams so that the smaller conferences will see it as achieveable. They are part of the NCAA too. Their votes are definitely achieveable but they will need to be thrown a small bone so they can show that off to their peoples when they get questioned about why they went along with it all.
He1nous as often as you cite the NCAA I am going to remind you that if we move to 60 or 64 upper tier teams there is not going to be an NCAA for them. There will be a breakaway.
I disagree, that is why I cite the NCAA as I do. I think the rest of the schools will cave to the demands and the Majors will give them a bone to chew on so that it looks like they got something in return.
This is a money grab. The upper tier schools, if they move, are moving for money. The loss of revenue to the NCAA in all sports but football will be the reason behind the scenes for their decision to breakaway. Basketball in particular would be much more lucrative for the big schools without the NCAA.
(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote: [ -> ]I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.If the NCAA won't allow semi-final games, the major conference can bypass the NCAA altogether by forming their own regulatory organization. That might be the best solution all around, since the NCAA has proven itself pretty incompetent more often than not lately...
However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami
I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.
(03-31-2013 09:44 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote: [ -> ]A cutoff at 60+1 would require a split from the NCAA, and all the baggage that goes with it.
(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote: [ -> ]I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.
However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami
I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.
(03-31-2013 10:26 AM)buffdog Wrote: [ -> ]60 teams limit the eyeballs for the respective conference networks. At least 4-20 team conferences. The PAC has apparently already done informal inquiry of what MWC programs could be potential adds.
(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote: [ -> ]I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.
However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami
I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.