Saw this form the Idaho message board. This a message from their AD on their move to the Big Sky for oly sports and Sunbelt for football. In the content he states the distriubtion for the Go5.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=205&f=2664&t=11421547
So I appears they've pretty much settle things. What I still can't seem to find is if the $82 million is part of the Access Bowl or separate from it so the conference who has a team represented gets additional money the is separate from the bowl.
Quote:Of the approximately $82 million that will be distributed and divided among the five non-AQ conferences, $60 million will be allocated to the non-AQ conferences equally. Equally means that each conference will receive $1 million for each of the football schools in its conference.
So the Sun Belt gets $1 million/year each for NMSU, Idaho, and any other football team they invite to their party.
That might mean that adding more schools for these leagues is low-risk: Every school they add contributes $1 million/year to the conference kitty, and the conference can subtract out however much they want to retain for expenses before distributing the rest. If the conference takes out 20-30 percent of that money for "overhead", then every new team in a "non contract" conference contributes a couple hundred thousand a year to the conference's budget for conference operations just by being there.
That gives "non contract" conference commissioners a self-perpetuating reason to push for more expansion, whether or not that expansion advances the interests of the existing members of the conference.
Quote:Of the approximately $82 million that will be distributed and divided among the five non-AQ conferences, $60 million will be allocated to the non-AQ conferences equally. Equally means that each conference will receive $1 million for each of the football schools in its conference. So for 2014, the Sun Belt will receive $12 million ($1 million x 12 football schools) to be divided amongst its members. The remaining $22 million from the total $82 million allocation will be distributed based on the following formula:
Conference ranked #1 $6.4 million
#2 $5.4 million
#3 $4.4 million
#4 $3.4 million
#5 $2.4 million
One small problem here: There will be 59 non-AQ programs in 2014, not 60. It also doesn't say what will be used to rank the conferences. The BCS computers will no longer be a part of the process.
That would also explain Karl Benson's comment about conferences with 12 teams getting a larger cut of the playoff money.
There is also a large math error in the text above this:
Quote:With the recent adoption of the new four-team playoff system by the BCS, significantly more revenue (from the current $120 million to $420 million) will be infused into the BCS system. While the BCS conferences will still capture in excess of 71 percent of this total revenue, the 29 percent to be distributed to the non-AQ conferences is significant.
29% of $420M is $121.8M, not $82M.
(03-29-2013 02:46 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Of the approximately $82 million that will be distributed and divided among the five non-AQ conferences, $60 million will be allocated to the non-AQ conferences equally. Equally means that each conference will receive $1 million for each of the football schools in its conference.
So the Sun Belt gets $1 million/year each for NMSU, Idaho, and any other football team they invite to their party.
That might mean that adding more schools for these leagues is low-risk: Every school they add contributes $1 million/year to the conference kitty, and the conference can subtract out however much they want to retain for expenses before distributing the rest. If the conference takes out 20-30 percent of that money for "overhead", then every new team in a "non contract" conference contributes a couple hundred thousand a year to the conference's budget for conference operations just by being there.
That gives "non contract" conference commissioners a self-perpetuating reason to push for more expansion, whether or not that expansion advances the interests of the existing members of the conference.
Well then members need to pay attention and not rubber stamp additions, I.e. Tulane
(03-29-2013 02:51 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Of the approximately $82 million that will be distributed and divided among the five non-AQ conferences, $60 million will be allocated to the non-AQ conferences equally. Equally means that each conference will receive $1 million for each of the football schools in its conference. So for 2014, the Sun Belt will receive $12 million ($1 million x 12 football schools) to be divided amongst its members. The remaining $22 million from the total $82 million allocation will be distributed based on the following formula:
Conference ranked #1 $6.4 million
#2 $5.4 million
#3 $4.4 million
#4 $3.4 million
#5 $2.4 million
One small problem here: There will be 59 non-AQ programs in 2014, not 60. It also doesn't say what will be used to rank the conferences. The BCS computers will no longer be a part of the process.
I wondering if there will be 1 more FCS upgrade. i.e.) Tulsa to C-TBA, WKU to CUSA and 1 FCS to Sunbelt to stay at 12.
This guy is full of it. 60 million divided equally would mean 60/5=12 million per conference. For something like the CUSA or MAC- they're not going to get extra money for having 13 or 14 schools. They're going to get 12 million.
Also, I find it incredible that there would be no money for the team that goes to the BCS. That just doesn't pass the smell test at all.
Aresco- 12 with Tulsa and Navy
CUSA- 14
MAC- 13
MWC 12
SBC 12
that equals 63 teams not 59. I guess it could be 59 if Aresco only 11, CUSA not with Charlotte or ODU(though thought ODU was in for '14), and then SBC without App St or Ga Southern
(03-29-2013 02:46 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Of the approximately $82 million that will be distributed and divided among the five non-AQ conferences, $60 million will be allocated to the non-AQ conferences equally. Equally means that each conference will receive $1 million for each of the football schools in its conference.
So the Sun Belt gets $1 million/year each for NMSU, Idaho, and any other football team they invite to their party.
That might mean that adding more schools for these leagues is low-risk: Every school they add contributes $1 million/year to the conference kitty, and the conference can subtract out however much they want to retain for expenses before distributing the rest. If the conference takes out 20-30 percent of that money for "overhead", then every new team in a "non contract" conference contributes a couple hundred thousand a year to the conference's budget for conference operations just by being there.
That gives "non contract" conference commissioners a self-perpetuating reason to push for more expansion, whether or not that expansion advances the interests of the existing members of the conference.
I interpret that differently. Each conference gets $12 million, not $1 million per school. So if you have more schools, you split it more ways. Now if you are an independent you get next to nothing. I think BYU and Army get 200k.
Right now it is projected 65 AQ schools (14*3+12+10+ND) and 64 non-AQ (11 BETBN + 13 MAC + 14 CUSA + 12 MWC + 12 SB + Army + BYU).
(03-29-2013 03:10 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2013 02:46 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Of the approximately $82 million that will be distributed and divided among the five non-AQ conferences, $60 million will be allocated to the non-AQ conferences equally. Equally means that each conference will receive $1 million for each of the football schools in its conference.
So the Sun Belt gets $1 million/year each for NMSU, Idaho, and any other football team they invite to their party.
That might mean that adding more schools for these leagues is low-risk: Every school they add contributes $1 million/year to the conference kitty, and the conference can subtract out however much they want to retain for expenses before distributing the rest. If the conference takes out 20-30 percent of that money for "overhead", then every new team in a "non contract" conference contributes a couple hundred thousand a year to the conference's budget for conference operations just by being there.
That gives "non contract" conference commissioners a self-perpetuating reason to push for more expansion, whether or not that expansion advances the interests of the existing members of the conference.
I interpret that differently. Each conference gets $12 million, not $1 million per school. So if you have more schools, you split it more ways. Now if you are an independent you get next to nothing. I think BYU and Army get 200k.
Right now it is projected 65 AQ schools (14*3+12+10+ND) and 64 non-AQ (11 BETBN + 13 MAC + 14 CUSA + 12 MWC + 12 SB + Army + BYU).
Army and BYU are a seperate entity. They only get I think it was like 200-300k..
(03-29-2013 03:04 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is full of it. 60 million divided equally would mean 60/5=12 million per conference. For something like the CUSA or MAC- they're not going to get extra money for having 13 or 14 schools. They're going to get 12 million.
Also, I find it incredible that there would be no money for the team that goes to the BCS. That just doesn't pass the smell test at all.
The $82 million for the G5 is split three ways here:
$60M = $1M to each G5 school
$12M to be divided equally among the 5 conferences = $2.4M/conference
$10M to be split among the top four conferences, based on performance ($4M to the top conference, $3M to the 2nd, $2M to the 3rd, and $1M to the 4th)
There will be an additional bonus for a team that makes the BCS, but that money comes out of the "expenses" according to McMurphy. That is separate from the G5 money.
The overall pot for the playoff (not including the contract bowls) is $470M. About $125M comes off the top for the "expenses" (as McMurphy put it which include the $37.5M for the APR component, a stipend to help travel expenses and the appearance bonuses for those who make playoff or access bowls). That leaves about $345M which will be split 75% to the power 5 (about $259M to be divided equally) and 25% to the G5 (to be divided as above).
(03-29-2013 02:46 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Of the approximately $82 million that will be distributed and divided among the five non-AQ conferences, $60 million will be allocated to the non-AQ conferences equally. Equally means that each conference will receive $1 million for each of the football schools in its conference.
So the Sun Belt gets $1 million/year each for NMSU, Idaho, and any other football team they invite to their party.
That might mean that adding more schools for these leagues is low-risk: Every school they add contributes $1 million/year to the conference kitty, and the conference can subtract out however much they want to retain for expenses before distributing the rest. If the conference takes out 20-30 percent of that money for "overhead", then every new team in a "non contract" conference contributes a couple hundred thousand a year to the conference's budget for conference operations just by being there.
That gives "non contract" conference commissioners a self-perpetuating reason to push for more expansion, whether or not that expansion advances the interests of the existing members of the conference.
Actually, its the opposite in one respect. Assuming that the pool of funds available to fund the 1 mill per school is not limitless, there will eventually be a reduction in the per school amount if more teams get added to the pool.
That being said, its not the fault of the SBC if they have to keep moving teams up because CUSA wants to have 16 teams.
(03-29-2013 03:10 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2013 02:46 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Of the approximately $82 million that will be distributed and divided among the five non-AQ conferences, $60 million will be allocated to the non-AQ conferences equally. Equally means that each conference will receive $1 million for each of the football schools in its conference.
So the Sun Belt gets $1 million/year each for NMSU, Idaho, and any other football team they invite to their party.
That might mean that adding more schools for these leagues is low-risk: Every school they add contributes $1 million/year to the conference kitty, and the conference can subtract out however much they want to retain for expenses before distributing the rest. If the conference takes out 20-30 percent of that money for "overhead", then every new team in a "non contract" conference contributes a couple hundred thousand a year to the conference's budget for conference operations just by being there.
That gives "non contract" conference commissioners a self-perpetuating reason to push for more expansion, whether or not that expansion advances the interests of the existing members of the conference.
I interpret that differently. Each conference gets $12 million, not $1 million per school. So if you have more schools, you split it more ways. Now if you are an independent you get next to nothing. I think BYU and Army get 200k.
Right now it is projected 65 AQ schools (14*3+12+10+ND) and 64 non-AQ (11 BETBN + 13 MAC + 14 CUSA + 12 MWC + 12 SB + Army + BYU).
Agree. I see it as each conference gets a base of $12 million before performance bonus. If you have 14 members there is less money per school. Smart to sit at 12 only if you are a non AQ if that is true. That is the only way to keep more FCS programs from flooding in and pocketing $1 million. No way they pay by program number
(03-29-2013 03:06 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]Aresco- 12 with Tulsa and Navy
CUSA- 14
MAC- 13
MWC 12
SBC 12
that equals 63 teams not 59. I guess it could be 59 if Aresco only 11, CUSA not with Charlotte or ODU(though thought ODU was in for '14), and then SBC without App St or Ga Southern
Right. In 2014, ODU and Charlotte won't be full FBS members yet, but will play in CUSA as transition teams. App St. and Ga Southern are in the same boat. Navy is still an independent in 2014. If SBC adds one more, then there will be 63 non-AQ members in 2015.
(03-29-2013 03:04 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is full of it. 60 million divided equally would mean 60/5=12 million per conference. For something like the CUSA or MAC- they're not going to get extra money for having 13 or 14 schools. They're going to get 12 million.
Also, I find it incredible that there would be no money for the team that goes to the BCS. That just doesn't pass the smell test at all.
Agreed, this seems to simple.
G05 top ranked team & conference should get a few extra mil.
So what happens if 10 more FCS teams move up?
Also the last place G05 conference should get $0 of the rank money while
HOWEVER, if true that puts the difference between the TV+BCS money of the Sun Belt and A-12/MWC at around 2.3mil per team per year. Comparing that to a typical G05 athletic budget...its that is not that much.
A conference which is more regionally travel friendly like CUSA (2014) or MAC could close that gap quickly.
Again I agree it doesn't seem like the numbers are right.
(03-29-2013 03:13 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2013 03:04 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is full of it. 60 million divided equally would mean 60/5=12 million per conference. For something like the CUSA or MAC- they're not going to get extra money for having 13 or 14 schools. They're going to get 12 million.
Also, I find it incredible that there would be no money for the team that goes to the BCS. That just doesn't pass the smell test at all.
The $82 million for the G5 is split three ways here:
$60M = $1M to each G5 school
$12M to be divided equally among the 5 conferences = $2.4M/conference
$10M to be split among the top four conferences, based on performance ($4M to the top conference, $3M to the 2nd, $2M to the 3rd, and $1M to the 4th)
There will be an additional bonus for a team that makes the BCS, but that money comes out of the "expenses" according to McMurphy. That is separate from the G5 money.
The overall pot for the playoff (not including the contract bowls) is $470M. About $125M comes off the top for the "expenses" (as McMurphy put it which include the $37.5M for the APR component, a stipend to help travel expenses and the appearance bonuses for those who make playoff or access bowls). That leaves about $345M which will be split 75% to the power 5 (about $259M to be divided equally) and 25% to the G5 (to be divided as above).
Ah...so the Access Bowl money is separate so the conference represented gets the bowl money on top the of playoff $$.
(03-29-2013 03:15 PM)billings Wrote: [ -> ]Agree. I see it as each conference gets a base of $12 million before performance bonus. If you have 14 members there is less money per school. Smart to sit at 12 only if you are a non AQ if that is true. That is the only way to keep more FCS programs from flooding in and pocketing $1 million. No way they pay by program number
Yup that is the way it needs to be.
(03-29-2013 03:13 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2013 03:04 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is full of it. 60 million divided equally would mean 60/5=12 million per conference. For something like the CUSA or MAC- they're not going to get extra money for having 13 or 14 schools. They're going to get 12 million.
Also, I find it incredible that there would be no money for the team that goes to the BCS. That just doesn't pass the smell test at all.
The $82 million for the G5 is split three ways here:
$60M = $1M to each G5 school
$12M to be divided equally among the 5 conferences = $2.4M/conference
$10M to be split among the top four conferences, based on performance ($4M to the top conference, $3M to the 2nd, $2M to the 3rd, and $1M to the 4th)
There will be an additional bonus for a team that makes the BCS, but that money comes out of the "expenses" according to McMurphy. That is separate from the G5 money.
The overall pot for the playoff (not including the contract bowls) is $470M. About $125M comes off the top for the "expenses" (as McMurphy put it which include the $37.5M for the APR component, a stipend to help travel expenses and the appearance bonuses for those who make playoff or access bowls). That leaves about $345M which will be split 75% to the power 5 (about $259M to be divided equally) and 25% to the G5 (to be divided as above).
For year 1 it may be 1 million per school- but after expansion- all 5 are at 12 or more teams- in year 2 it's 63 teams at least. I don't see the BE or MWC wanting to encourage further expansion by saying it's 1 mil per school flatly.
(03-29-2013 03:22 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2013 03:13 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2013 03:04 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is full of it. 60 million divided equally would mean 60/5=12 million per conference. For something like the CUSA or MAC- they're not going to get extra money for having 13 or 14 schools. They're going to get 12 million.
Also, I find it incredible that there would be no money for the team that goes to the BCS. That just doesn't pass the smell test at all.
The $82 million for the G5 is split three ways here:
$60M = $1M to each G5 school
$12M to be divided equally among the 5 conferences = $2.4M/conference
$10M to be split among the top four conferences, based on performance ($4M to the top conference, $3M to the 2nd, $2M to the 3rd, and $1M to the 4th)
There will be an additional bonus for a team that makes the BCS, but that money comes out of the "expenses" according to McMurphy. That is separate from the G5 money.
The overall pot for the playoff (not including the contract bowls) is $470M. About $125M comes off the top for the "expenses" (as McMurphy put it which include the $37.5M for the APR component, a stipend to help travel expenses and the appearance bonuses for those who make playoff or access bowls). That leaves about $345M which will be split 75% to the power 5 (about $259M to be divided equally) and 25% to the G5 (to be divided as above).
Ah...so the Access Bowl money is separate so the conference represented gets the bowl money on top the of playoff $$.
Yes, but don't get too excited. The appearance pool is only about $80M and has to go to the four teams in the playoffs, plus the two access spots. It may be as much as $10M for the access spot. What still isn't exactly clear is what happens to the contract bowl money when the contract bowls host the playoffs. I'm guessing the contract conferences keep their share as their "appearance bonus" but we will find out in year one of this as the Rose and Sugar will host the first pair of semifinals.
(03-29-2013 03:32 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2013 03:22 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2013 03:13 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2013 03:04 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is full of it. 60 million divided equally would mean 60/5=12 million per conference. For something like the CUSA or MAC- they're not going to get extra money for having 13 or 14 schools. They're going to get 12 million.
Also, I find it incredible that there would be no money for the team that goes to the BCS. That just doesn't pass the smell test at all.
The $82 million for the G5 is split three ways here:
$60M = $1M to each G5 school
$12M to be divided equally among the 5 conferences = $2.4M/conference
$10M to be split among the top four conferences, based on performance ($4M to the top conference, $3M to the 2nd, $2M to the 3rd, and $1M to the 4th)
There will be an additional bonus for a team that makes the BCS, but that money comes out of the "expenses" according to McMurphy. That is separate from the G5 money.
The overall pot for the playoff (not including the contract bowls) is $470M. About $125M comes off the top for the "expenses" (as McMurphy put it which include the $37.5M for the APR component, a stipend to help travel expenses and the appearance bonuses for those who make playoff or access bowls). That leaves about $345M which will be split 75% to the power 5 (about $259M to be divided equally) and 25% to the G5 (to be divided as above).
Ah...so the Access Bowl money is separate so the conference represented gets the bowl money on top the of playoff $$.
Yes, but don't get too excited. The appearance pool is only about $80M and has to go to the four teams in the playoffs, plus the two access spots. It may be as much as $10M for the access spot. What still isn't exactly clear is what happens to the contract bowl money when the contract bowls host the playoffs. I'm guessing the contract conferences keep their share as their "appearance bonus" but we will find out in year one of this as the Rose and Sugar will host the first pair of semifinals.
Well, I'm realistic that the Access Bowl won't be as much and the Rose Bowl but in order the bonus setup for the MWC, the team represented would get 1/2 of the bowl $$ while the rest goes to the conference. If they $$ wasn't separate from the playoff then the MWC would not be able to do that kind of bonus.
Still that clarifies what I needed to know. Thanks!
(03-29-2013 03:27 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2013 03:13 PM)CommuterBob Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2013 03:04 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]This guy is full of it. 60 million divided equally would mean 60/5=12 million per conference. For something like the CUSA or MAC- they're not going to get extra money for having 13 or 14 schools. They're going to get 12 million.
Also, I find it incredible that there would be no money for the team that goes to the BCS. That just doesn't pass the smell test at all.
The $82 million for the G5 is split three ways here:
$60M = $1M to each G5 school
$12M to be divided equally among the 5 conferences = $2.4M/conference
$10M to be split among the top four conferences, based on performance ($4M to the top conference, $3M to the 2nd, $2M to the 3rd, and $1M to the 4th)
There will be an additional bonus for a team that makes the BCS, but that money comes out of the "expenses" according to McMurphy. That is separate from the G5 money.
The overall pot for the playoff (not including the contract bowls) is $470M. About $125M comes off the top for the "expenses" (as McMurphy put it which include the $37.5M for the APR component, a stipend to help travel expenses and the appearance bonuses for those who make playoff or access bowls). That leaves about $345M which will be split 75% to the power 5 (about $259M to be divided equally) and 25% to the G5 (to be divided as above).
For year 1 it may be 1 million per school- but after expansion- all 5 are at 12 or more teams- in year 2 it's 63 teams at least. I don't see the BE or MWC wanting to encourage further expansion by saying it's 1 mil per school flatly.
I don't see the Top 5 wanting even more FBS schools either