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(03-27-2013 11:14 PM)Bearcat04 Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, I hear from a lot of fans that he's not even good enough for UC. Why would any other program want him?

What fans?

(03-28-2013 08:29 AM)ctipton Wrote: [ -> ]3-point shot: Coaching carousel whirls
March, 28, 2013

By Andy Katz | ESPN.com

1. Minnesota coveted VCU’s Shaka Smart, but his former boss, current Golden Gophers athletic director Norwood Teague, couldn’t convince Smart to come to the Twin Cities (he should know Smart is loyal to VCU) for the head-coaching job from which Tubby Smith was just fired. According to sources, the Gophers have now turned their attention to Iowa State’s Fred Hoiberg and Butler’s Brad Stevens. We’ll see, but I’ll be shocked if either were to go to Minnesota. Hoiberg is the Mayor in Ames (it's his alma mater) and has Iowa State in a good place after back-to-back NCAA tournament appearances. If Hoiberg were to leave for Minnesota, the NBA's Timberwolves, not the Gophers, would make more sense. I can’t see Stevens bolting, either, with how much he loves the Butler way and working for AD Barry Collier. Stevens can have a lifetime contract at Butler, much like Mark Few has at Gonzaga. If they can't convince either of these two, the Gophers may make a play for Cincinnati’s Mick Cronin. But Cronin is from Cincinnati and loves his gig, too. The only reason he might listen is if he sees the need to go to a school in a more stable conference.

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http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal...Today_Team

Ugh.. Katz...

Mick has been one of the loudest voices at UC in his belief that Cincinnati will be in the ACC/Big 12 within the next few years. Given all of the other factors that are tying him to the program and school, why would he bolt purely out of "conference stability" when he wholeheartedly believes UC will be moving from the "have nots" to the "haves" in such a short time?

(03-28-2013 08:43 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2013 10:19 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ]Mick Cronin is going nowhere. He is a single father and his dad attends every practice. If one of the mega jobs within 200 miles like Uk, IU, or UL wanted him I'd imagine he may listen but he's not going any further than that.

Can't believe that any UC fan would call U of L a bigger job....Pitino gets paid more than Mick because he produces better results & packs the arena full. A UC coach who produced comparable results would earn comparable dollars.

It's a bigger job because of the resources available, and now conference affiliation, not because of the paycheck. You really believe UC would pay almost $4 million a year to a basketball coach?

(03-28-2013 07:29 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2013 11:14 PM)Bearcat04 Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, I hear from a lot of fans that he's not even good enough for UC. Why would any other program want him?

Which UC fans?

Just because this is a sensible board doesn't mean everyone is happy with Mick. Last Friday I had to sit through "fire the midget" chants from guys in UC shirts while watching the game at a party. The trolls on Bearcattalk have been trashing Mick for the past week for his so-called mediocre results. I'm just glad that we have a collection of intelligent fans on this board.

(03-28-2013 08:18 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2013 08:03 AM)bearcat54 Wrote: [ -> ]Can you imagine the devastation that would be imposed on Mick's skin in California, especially southern california? SUN POISONING is not a pretty thing to see.
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if we ever would lose Mick, we'll experience for the rest of our lives, a constant revolving door of basketball coaches. It would be pretty similar to what our football program goes through. A coach having a good 2 or 3 years and then running off to a better paying program. A school the size of UC and having the resources available of the many large corporations in Cincinnati boggles my mind in how this school struggles with finances. Lots of mismanagement for years of previous administrations. We should have been in better shape than UK and UL.

I disagree with this. Our last basketball coach stayed 16 years and did not leave until he was forced out. There is no evidence to suggest UC would experience that kind of revolving door. Look at schools like Butler and VCU who have been able to lock down Stevens and Smart respectively. Both may leave some day... but it is going to take a special job.

I'd take it one step further ... Kennedy didn't leave on his own accord and weren't the previous 2 coaches, before Huggs, fired? I do not see a revolving door for bball.

(03-28-2013 08:52 AM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2013 08:32 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ]Mick has done a decent, not outstanding, job. If he has interest from other programs, I expect that Whit will make modest efforts to retain him, and failing that, he will simply upgrade to a more proven coach. See CBJ to TT.

Tubby? Or even Howland?

If Mick were to leave I'd go after Bruce Pearl. Dude has more than served his time for lying about a minor infraction.

I like Bruce. I do not see any real baggage there either. I believe his daughter attends UC too, if I'm not mistaken.

However, Mick is not going anywhere.

(03-28-2013 09:36 AM)bearcatmill Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2013 08:52 AM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2013 08:32 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ]Mick has done a decent, not outstanding, job. If he has interest from other programs, I expect that Whit will make modest efforts to retain him, and failing that, he will simply upgrade to a more proven coach. See CBJ to TT.

Tubby? Or even Howland?

If Mick were to leave I'd go after Bruce Pearl. Dude has more than served his time for lying about a minor infraction.

I like Bruce. I do not see any real baggage there either. I believe his daughter attends UC too, if I'm not mistaken.

However, Mick is not going anywhere.

I dont think he's going anywhere either. It was just a what if scenario. Pearl was one of those few coaches who could recruit elite talent and get fans excited. Great personality. I didnt know he had a daughter at UC.

(03-28-2013 10:05 AM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ]I dont think he's going anywhere either. It was just a what if scenario. Pearl was one of those few coaches who could recruit elite talent and get fans excited. Great personality. I didnt know he had a daughter at UC.

She's on the UC dance team. Pearl attended at least one UC home game this year.

(03-28-2013 08:43 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2013 10:19 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ]Mick Cronin is going nowhere. He is a single father and his dad attends every practice. If one of the mega jobs within 200 miles like Uk, IU, or UL wanted him I'd imagine he may listen but he's not going any further than that.

Can't believe that any UC fan would call U of L a bigger job....Pitino gets paid more than Mick because he produces better results & packs the arena full. A UC coach who produced comparable results would earn comparable dollars.

UL is the generates more basketball revenue, by far, than any other program.
Their revenue trumps many many BCS football programs. The Yum Center lease is a built in money machine.

(03-28-2013 09:11 AM)subflea Wrote: [ -> ]It's a bigger job because of the resources available, and now conference affiliation, not because of the paycheck. You really believe UC would pay almost $4 million a year to a basketball coach?

Hell no, sir.

I would think Mick would only leave for a big job in the area because of his family, especially his daughter, Louisville, UK, IU, O$U. I don't see any of those opening anytime soon. Maybe a traditional power in the midwest he'd consider like Kansas, UNC, Duke, etc, but I don't see him heading to the west coast. His recruiting comfort area is in the East and Midwest.

(03-28-2013 09:36 AM)bearcatmill Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2013 08:52 AM)Marcus Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2013 08:32 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ]Mick has done a decent, not outstanding, job. If he has interest from other programs, I expect that Whit will make modest efforts to retain him, and failing that, he will simply upgrade to a more proven coach. See CBJ to TT.

Tubby? Or even Howland?

If Mick were to leave I'd go after Bruce Pearl. Dude has more than served his time for lying about a minor infraction.

I like Bruce. I do not see any real baggage there either. I believe his daughter attends UC too, if I'm not mistaken.

However, Mick is not going anywhere.

I would just ignore the show cause issue that the NCAA has imposed on Pearl. That has at least three years left I believe.

(03-28-2013 08:43 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2013 10:19 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ]Mick Cronin is going nowhere. He is a single father and his dad attends every practice. If one of the mega jobs within 200 miles like Uk, IU, or UL wanted him I'd imagine he may listen but he's not going any further than that.

Can't believe that any UC fan would call U of L a bigger job....Pitino gets paid more than Mick because he produces better results & packs the arena full. A UC coach who produced comparable results would earn comparable dollars.

You saw UL's basketball revenue numbers, right? To say we're on equal footing with them right now would be foolish, they're 80 min. from their second final 4 in a row.

(03-28-2013 08:43 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2013 10:19 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ]Mick Cronin is going nowhere. He is a single father and his dad attends every practice. If one of the mega jobs within 200 miles like Uk, IU, or UL wanted him I'd imagine he may listen but he's not going any further than that.

Can't believe that any UC fan would call U of L a bigger job....Pitino gets paid more than Mick because he produces better results & packs the arena full. A UC coach who produced comparable results would earn comparable dollars.

I don't understand how you couldn't call Louisville a bigger job. We pack the arena full regardless of how good or bad the team is (see Denny Crum's last couple years) and we're able to pay Pitino $4 million a year because the department generates so much revenue. You think if Pitino was hired at Cincinnati and had the same success there he's had here he wouldn't have been picked up by another program by now? He's been here for 12 years because it's one of the best jobs in the country and he knows it.

Not putting down Cincinnati but Louisville is much more attractive. When Pitino retires we can pull any head coach not at UK, Kansas, UNC, Duke, Georgetown, Syracuse, Indiana, Ohio State, or Michigan State. Could Cincinnati do the same?

(03-28-2013 11:17 AM)gocards#1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2013 08:43 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2013 10:19 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ]Mick Cronin is going nowhere. He is a single father and his dad attends every practice. If one of the mega jobs within 200 miles like Uk, IU, or UL wanted him I'd imagine he may listen but he's not going any further than that.

Can't believe that any UC fan would call U of L a bigger job....Pitino gets paid more than Mick because he produces better results & packs the arena full. A UC coach who produced comparable results would earn comparable dollars.

I don't understand how you couldn't call Louisville a bigger job. We pack the arena full regardless of how good or bad the team is (see Denny Crum's last couple years) and we're able to pay Pitino $4 million a year because the department generates so much revenue. You think if Pitino was hired at Cincinnati and had the same success there he's had here he wouldn't have been picked up by another program by now? He's been here for 12 years because it's one of the best jobs in the country and he knows it.

Not putting down Cincinnati but Louisville is much more attractive. When Pitino retires we can pull any head coach not at UK, Kansas, UNC, Duke, Georgetown, Syracuse, Indiana, Ohio State, or Michigan State. Could Cincinnati do the same?

I think the majority of posters here agree with you. It's really not even an argument. In fairness though, we hung on to Huggins for a long time. UC might not be Louisville, but it is not a stepping stone program.

Louisville’s basketball program is by far the richest in the nation. Thanks in large part to a beautiful new publicly-financed arena that has sent its revenues through the roof, the program hauled in more than $40 million in revenue last year. It made anywhere between $23 million to $28 million in profits, far more than any other school.

Pitino made $4.8 million this year; with bonuses, he made $7.5 million in 2011.

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013/03/...?mobile=nc

(03-28-2013 11:17 AM)gocards#1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-28-2013 08:43 AM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-27-2013 10:19 PM)RealDeal Wrote: [ -> ]Mick Cronin is going nowhere. He is a single father and his dad attends every practice. If one of the mega jobs within 200 miles like Uk, IU, or UL wanted him I'd imagine he may listen but he's not going any further than that.

Can't believe that any UC fan would call U of L a bigger job....Pitino gets paid more than Mick because he produces better results & packs the arena full. A UC coach who produced comparable results would earn comparable dollars.

I don't understand how you couldn't call Louisville a bigger job. We pack the arena full regardless of how good or bad the team is (see Denny Crum's last couple years) and we're able to pay Pitino $4 million a year because the department generates so much revenue. You think if Pitino was hired at Cincinnati and had the same success there he's had here he wouldn't have been picked up by another program by now? He's been here for 12 years because it's one of the best jobs in the country and he knows it.

Not putting down Cincinnati but Louisville is much more attractive. When Pitino retires we can pull any head coach not at UK, Kansas, UNC, Duke, Georgetown, Syracuse, Indiana, Ohio State, or Michigan State. Could Cincinnati do the same?

I agree with most of what you said except for the implication UC is a stepping stone for bball. You would have to go all the way back to the 70's (Catlett) to find a coach who left on his own accord. If Pitino was here and made UC a success/generating income, they would find the money.

(03-28-2013 11:17 AM)gocards#1 Wrote: [ -> ]You think if Pitino was hired at Cincinnati and had the same success there he's had here he wouldn't have been picked up by another program by now?

Nobody ever picked off Huggs. If Pitino were here, producing the kind of results that he's produced at U of L, the financials of our entire athletic department would look a lot different.

(03-28-2013 11:17 AM)gocards#1 Wrote: [ -> ]Not putting down Cincinnati but Louisville is much more attractive. When Pitino retires we can pull any head coach not at UK, Kansas, UNC, Duke, Georgetown, Syracuse, Indiana, Ohio State, or Michigan State. Could Cincinnati do the same?

The program has been down since Huggs was run out by an administration that was de-emphasizing BB. There's a new, athetics-friendly, administration in place, and UC remains an extremely attractive job. If Mick leaves, I wouldn't take it for granted that he would be replaced by any mid-major coach not named Stevens.

Meh. I don't see Mick EVER going anywhere else. But I'll play along with the "what if" scenario.

I don't want to see Mick leave. But if he did, it would bother me a little, but not a lot. Nor would I blame him, if the place he jumped to had conference stability, huge fan support, history of success, great facilities, tradition, etc., better financial resources for the b-ball program, etc. UC doesn't have all those things..........YET.

And obviously it would depend on who UC replaced him with. And honestly, with the break up of the Big East and UC being hung out to dry in the leftover conference, I'm not convinced UC is that great of a basketball job right now. More reason I wouldn't blame Mick for leaving. Not so sure UC could get a quality coach. Wouldn't surprise me if they ended up with a retread coach like Tubby Smith. Big name........but not considered a great recruiter.

I dunno. I don't see anything happening anyway. And probably a good thing in terms of UC's conference situation right now. It's a bad time to have to replace a head coach.

There is a lot of stink about that arena that gives UL so much revenue yet is near bankruptcy!
No disrespect to the Cards, but something in that deal is rotten in Denmark!