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Things i will never understand about Murphy:
1) Run a three man weave offense until there are 5 seconds on the shot clock and whoever is left with the rock jack up a shot.
2 ) Could we try to mix up our defense? Not even syracuse runs 100% zone. Our defense is really misleading bcuz we slow the game way down.
3) Dereck Thompson was an All-MAC type caliber player and Murphy did not run any sets to get him the ball. Worse yet, D T barely played during the beginning and middle part of the season. If Murphy cant be successful with a player like DT then i am giving up......
4) Jamaal Harris helped this team more last year than this year.....see point #3
5) Ray Lee is transferring.....

6)Flooring We have the horses to run but he runs a stall offense.....that is a paradox
Dear luckeyone1,
I don't necessarily disagree, especially point one. Where is Lee going? First I've heard of that.
(03-09-2013 05:44 PM)luckeyone1 Wrote: [ -> ]Things i will never understand about Murphy:
1) Run a three man weave offense until there are 5 seconds on the shot clock and whoever is left with the rock jack up a shot.
2 ) Could we try to mix up our defense? Not even syracuse runs 100% zone. Our defense is really misleading bcuz we slow the game way down.
3) Dereck Thompson was an All-MAC type caliber player and Murphy did not run any sets to get him the ball. Worse yet, D T barely played during the beginning and middle part of the season. If Murphy cant be successful with a player like DT then i am giving up......
4) Jamaal Harris helped this team more last year than this year.....see point #3
5) Ray Lee is transferring.....

6)Flooring We have the horses to run but he runs a stall offense.....that is a paradox

No we don't have the horses to run with anyone.
This season has been an embarrassment. Murphy has gotten the bare minimum out of this team. We have beaten 1 bad Big 10 team--which is our signature win and 1 decent MAC team (WMU), and that is it. Why ANYONE would come to EMU and play that joke of an offense and then nothing but zone defense is beyond me. This is what happens when you have a desperate AD who hires an unproven coach on an impulse without giving other more worthy candidates a chance to make their case.

You think they mailed it in today? just wait until the next game when the guys see that all they have to lose to end the season. I predict ZERO effort. If I was president Martin I would fire both Gragg and Murphy and start over. This program is a disaster. No one cares anymore. Of the 800+ fans today, I bet half were Toledo fans.
(03-09-2013 05:44 PM)luckeyone1 Wrote: [ -> ]5) Ray Lee is transferring.....

that's quite a statement. speculation on your part or done deal?
It came from a reliable source.........
How much do you guys want to bet that Murphy will have success at EMU and will have a long coaching career? As a coach you cannot predict certain things, for example how do you know if Riley will decide to play or not? With his production I would rather have 4 people in the court. How do you predict that your seniors will be the softest group of seniors we have seen in years?

You guys give these guys wayyy to much credit. DT is not an all MAC player PERIOD. He is a one dimensional player, with no defense and super slowness for a guard. Harris is a good shot blocker and that's it. Every other part of his game is mediocre at best. Matt is Matt brings energy and some toughness here and there but has limitations. Compare these guys to the last senior classes we have had.

I am really going to judge Murph by next two years, I am curious how he resolves the big man situation (who will come, can they make an impact right away, will Riley be back?) and our PG situation. I think we will be okay with scoring.
(03-09-2013 08:10 PM)luckeyone1 Wrote: [ -> ]It came from a reliable source.........

It must be true, if it was on the Internet. So why was he on the bench today, if he's transferring?
(03-09-2013 09:35 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]How much do you guys want to bet that Murphy will have success at EMU and will have a long coaching career? As a coach you cannot predict certain things, for example how do you know if Riley will decide to play or not? With his production I would rather have 4 people in the court. How do you predict that your seniors will be the softest group of seniors we have seen in years?

You guys give these guys wayyy to much credit. DT is not an all MAC player PERIOD. He is a one dimensional player, with no defense and super slowness for a guard. Harris is a good shot blocker and that's it. Every other part of his game is mediocre at best. Matt is Matt brings energy and some toughness here and there but has limitations. Compare these guys to the last senior classes we have had.

I am really going to judge Murph by next two years, I am curious how he resolves the big man situation (who will come, can they make an impact right away, will Riley be back?) and our PG situation. I think we will be okay with scoring.

Great post. Agree with everything.
(03-09-2013 09:35 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]How much do you guys want to bet that Murphy will have success at EMU and will have a long coaching career? As a coach you cannot predict certain things, for example how do you know if Riley will decide to play or not? With his production I would rather have 4 people in the court. How do you predict that your seniors will be the softest group of seniors we have seen in years?

You guys give these guys wayyy to much credit. DT is not an all MAC player PERIOD. He is a one dimensional player, with no defense and super slowness for a guard. Harris is a good shot blocker and that's it. Every other part of his game is mediocre at best. Matt is Matt brings energy and some toughness here and there but has limitations. Compare these guys to the last senior classes we have had.

I am really going to judge Murph by next two years, I am curious how he resolves the big man situation (who will come, can they make an impact right away, will Riley be back?) and our PG situation. I think we will be okay with scoring.

People keep asking if Riley will be back -- I don't get it.

Is there a chance he quits basketball altogether? I'm asking y'all since I have no clue. Maybe he just doesn't like to play, I don't know. But, let's not act like Murphy won't renew his scholarship -- we need all the semi-warm bodied bigs we can get with the graduation of Harris and Balkema.
(03-09-2013 10:45 PM)holybovine Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2013 09:35 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]How much do you guys want to bet that Murphy will have success at EMU and will have a long coaching career? As a coach you cannot predict certain things, for example how do you know if Riley will decide to play or not? With his production I would rather have 4 people in the court. How do you predict that your seniors will be the softest group of seniors we have seen in years?

You guys give these guys wayyy to much credit. DT is not an all MAC player PERIOD. He is a one dimensional player, with no defense and super slowness for a guard. Harris is a good shot blocker and that's it. Every other part of his game is mediocre at best. Matt is Matt brings energy and some toughness here and there but has limitations. Compare these guys to the last senior classes we have had.

I am really going to judge Murph by next two years, I am curious how he resolves the big man situation (who will come, can they make an impact right away, will Riley be back?) and our PG situation. I think we will be okay with scoring.

People keep asking if Riley will be back -- I don't get it.

Is there a chance he quits basketball altogether? I'm asking y'all since I have no clue. Maybe he just doesn't like to play, I don't know. But, let's not act like Murphy won't renew his scholarship -- we need all the semi-warm bodied bigs we can get with the graduation of Harris and Balkema.
Not much of a warm body if he just stands there and does his wave as they go by defense.
(03-09-2013 09:59 PM)EagleSam Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2013 08:10 PM)luckeyone1 Wrote: [ -> ]It came from a reliable source.........

It must be true, if it was on the Internet. So why was he on the bench today, if he's transferring?

Well, Luckyone1, has laid down a marker of sorts with his statement about Lee.

He'll be proven correct or incorrect.
(03-09-2013 06:21 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]This season has been an embarrassment. Murphy has gotten the bare minimum out of this team. We have beaten 1 bad Big 10 team--which is our signature win and 1 decent MAC team (WMU), and that is it.

Who is the bad Big 10 team? 05-stirthepot

We beat a pretty good Purdue team. 03-idea

Purdue finished 8 - 10 in easily the best collegiate conference.

For those who believe in the 'grass is greener' UDM is out of the Horizon tourney. Oakland probably won't last long. Etc. etc.
I'd say they're (Purdue) a mediocre team that got some nice wins in the Big Ten. That's a better win than A LOT of MAC teams can brag about, so I don't see why Bob W is so hellbent on discrediting it. He will take it to his grave that this is the worst team in the Big Ten (like he projected), despite their middle of the pack record. But that's beside the point of this thread.

As to the OP's original statement, I think you are wayyy overvaluing the talent on this team. I agree that Murphy should've played Jamell more (especially at 5) for offensive purposes (as in, he isn't COMPLETELY useless offensively, like Riley is), but Harris isn't a good rebounder and gets caught out of position all the time defensively, having to rely on his athleticism to make up for it. DT isn't a good defender, and takes way too many contested/dumb/unnecessary 3's that kill possessions.

Truth be told, I think only Bryant, Sims, and "good" Riley would even be in the rotation for the good MAC teams. Sims was a pleasant surprise this year...he really improved his outside shooting. If we use him at his natural 2-guard position next year, I think he will have a very good senior season. Other than that, we severely overvalued the talent we thought we had at the beginning of the season. Blame Murphy's "offense" all you want, but any time we tried to fast break, someone dribbled it off their shoe, or fired it out of bounds. Our slow pace and 2-3 zone kept us in games and gave us a chance to win, as much as it kills many of you to admit.

The loss of Lampley to graduation also hurt more than any of us thought. He took care of the ball and created his own shot...hopefully Talley can bring some of that to the table next year.

Murphy can be a frustrating coach at times, but to put ALL of the blame on him and say he should be fired is laughable at this point. He can't make the layups and shoot the free throws for these guys. If we have another disappointing year next season, when it's a roster of all of his players (except Sims, who's become "his player" anyway, since Ram never used him), then I'll start thinking it's time for a change. But the fact is, we overachieved last year with a dreadful team, and we followed it up by just "achieving" with a bad team. That's how it works sometimes.
(03-09-2013 09:35 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]How much do you guys want to bet that Murphy will have success at EMU and will have a long coaching career? As a coach you cannot predict certain things, for example how do you know if Riley will decide to play or not? With his production I would rather have 4 people in the court. How do you predict that your seniors will be the softest group of seniors we have seen in years?

You guys give these guys wayyy to much credit. DT is not an all MAC player PERIOD. He is a one dimensional player, with no defense and super slowness for a guard. Harris is a good shot blocker and that's it. Every other part of his game is mediocre at best. Matt is Matt brings energy and some toughness here and there but has limitations. Compare these guys to the last senior classes we have had.

I am really going to judge Murph by next two years, I am curious how he resolves the big man situation (who will come, can they make an impact right away, will Riley be back?) and our PG situation. I think we will be okay with scoring.
Disagree. Your eyes are not deceiving you. That is "the formless weave, chuck up a shot as the shot clock expires offense" that you are seeing and that is the "one zone fits all" defense that has been run all season long. This is the MAC, every team is flawed. However, there is more than enough talent on this team to compete in their conference. Part of being a good coach is getting the most out of the players you have and fostering improvement. Have you seen any improvement whatsoever in Murphy's 2 full seasons? The guy has to go. He is a fraud and I will be banging this drum until he is gone.

If rumors prove true (Lee and Riley leaving the program) there could be a mass exodus. I never thought things could get worse than the Ramsey era, but here we are.

Although I am pulling mightily for Ron English to have a rebound year, realistically it could be another tough football season. If that is the case, when is Gragg going to finally be held accountable for all his failed hires?
(03-10-2013 05:46 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2013 06:21 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]This season has been an embarrassment. Murphy has gotten the bare minimum out of this team. We have beaten 1 bad Big 10 team--which is our signature win and 1 decent MAC team (WMU), and that is it.

Who is the bad Big 10 team? 05-stirthepot

We beat a pretty good Purdue team. 03-idea

Purdue finished 8 - 10 in easily the best collegiate conference.

For those who believe in the 'grass is greener' UDM is out of the Horizon tourney. Oakland probably won't last long. Etc. etc.
Purdue is a pretty good team? They have a losing record and lost to Bucknell. Maybe sit this next one out, champ. 04-chairshot
(03-10-2013 08:28 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2013 09:35 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]How much do you guys want to bet that Murphy will have success at EMU and will have a long coaching career? As a coach you cannot predict certain things, for example how do you know if Riley will decide to play or not? With his production I would rather have 4 people in the court. How do you predict that your seniors will be the softest group of seniors we have seen in years?

You guys give these guys wayyy to much credit. DT is not an all MAC player PERIOD. He is a one dimensional player, with no defense and super slowness for a guard. Harris is a good shot blocker and that's it. Every other part of his game is mediocre at best. Matt is Matt brings energy and some toughness here and there but has limitations. Compare these guys to the last senior classes we have had.

I am really going to judge Murph by next two years, I am curious how he resolves the big man situation (who will come, can they make an impact right away, will Riley be back?) and our PG situation. I think we will be okay with scoring.
Disagree. Your eyes are not deceiving you. That is "the formless weave, chuck up a shot as the shot clock expires offense" that you are seeing and that is the "one zone fits all" defense that has been run all season long. This is the MAC, every team is flawed. However, there is more than enough talent on this team to compete in their conference. Part of being a good coach is getting the most out of the players you have and fostering improvement. Have you seen any improvement whatsoever in Murphy's 2 full seasons? The guy has to go. He is a fraud and I will be banging this drum until he is gone.

If rumors prove true (Lee and Riley leaving the program) there could be a mass exodus. I never thought things could get worse than the Ramsey era, but here we are.

Although I am pulling mightily for Ron English to have a rebound year, realistically it could be another tough football season. If that is the case, when is Gragg going to finally be held accountable for all his failed hires?

Things are worse than the Ramsey era?! You've officially lost your mind. Were you sleeping during his last season? Where we were one of the worst teams in the MAC? Where we got BLOWN OUT by WMU on Earl Boykins day (the same WMU players that Murphy beat twice, btw). You either have an insanely short memory, or you hate Murphy so much that you go to incredible, baseless extremes. Or maybe both.
(03-10-2013 08:44 AM)EagleSam Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-10-2013 08:28 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2013 09:35 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]How much do you guys want to bet that Murphy will have success at EMU and will have a long coaching career? As a coach you cannot predict certain things, for example how do you know if Riley will decide to play or not? With his production I would rather have 4 people in the court. How do you predict that your seniors will be the softest group of seniors we have seen in years?

You guys give these guys wayyy to much credit. DT is not an all MAC player PERIOD. He is a one dimensional player, with no defense and super slowness for a guard. Harris is a good shot blocker and that's it. Every other part of his game is mediocre at best. Matt is Matt brings energy and some toughness here and there but has limitations. Compare these guys to the last senior classes we have had.

I am really going to judge Murph by next two years, I am curious how he resolves the big man situation (who will come, can they make an impact right away, will Riley be back?) and our PG situation. I think we will be okay with scoring.
Disagree. Your eyes are not deceiving you. That is "the formless weave, chuck up a shot as the shot clock expires offense" that you are seeing and that is the "one zone fits all" defense that has been run all season long. This is the MAC, every team is flawed. However, there is more than enough talent on this team to compete in their conference. Part of being a good coach is getting the most out of the players you have and fostering improvement. Have you seen any improvement whatsoever in Murphy's 2 full seasons? The guy has to go. He is a fraud and I will be banging this drum until he is gone.

If rumors prove true (Lee and Riley leaving the program) there could be a mass exodus. I never thought things could get worse than the Ramsey era, but here we are.

Although I am pulling mightily for Ron English to have a rebound year, realistically it could be another tough football season. If that is the case, when is Gragg going to finally be held accountable for all his failed hires?

Things are worse than the Ramsey era?! You've officially lost your mind. Were you sleeping during his last season? Where we were one of the worst teams in the MAC? Where we got BLOWN OUT by WMU on Earl Boykins day (the same WMU players that Murphy beat twice, btw). You either have an insanely short memory, or you hate Murphy so much that you go to incredible, baseless extremes. Or maybe both.

Like!04-rock
Just some thoughts..

First off, when we played Purdue and they lost to that Bucknell team they were a BAD Big Ten team. However, that team has started to figure a lot of things out and are playing much better basketball at the end of the season. They looked really solid against Michigan and beat up on an extremely talented but underachieving Minnesota team. Bucknell is a win over Lafayette at home away from being an NCAA Tournament. I think Purdue is an example of what good coaching can do for a team as I think Painter is an extremely solid coach for them. I'd say that Purdue is a pretty average team in the best conference in the country.

Second off, I think a lot of the problem we as a group have when it comes to the performance of this year's team is that we overvalued the talent of the recruits that transferred in. I'm not going to say that I wasn't also duped into thinking the same thing as well. When we read about the pedigrees of the players we got and more importantly the SIZE of the players that we got, all of us started to get big eyed and started to think about the great possibilities of what could happen. So now when they're not performing, we're all pissed off because they aren't meeting our expectations. We need to put it into perspective. If these guys transferred from schools such as Wyoming, such as Arkansas, such as Syracuse there was a REASON they transferred and weren't playing much at those programs. In addition, we also need to put it into perspective that this is the first year that these guys played together for a full season. So, you'd like to think that you'll see some more cohesiveness from the team next year.

Third off, these last two years were easily the most frustrating that I've watched EMU Basketball. In the past, there were genuinely a large number of games that EMU would just get destroyed in and you'd just have to laugh at how pathetic it was. Now Eastern is frustratingly close in a lot of these games and are playing a completely mind numbing brand of offense. I know I'm beating this drum to death too, but I still remember hearing Murphy say at the beginning of the year that he lets his players essentially freelance on offense and he focused his efforts on defense. It still blows my mind at how cohesive this team can be defensively and then completely change their attitude on offense and try to do everything on their own. You'd like to think that will all of this bravado that he brings out with his "principles" that he would emphasize TEAM play on the offensive end of the floor.

Defensively this year the 2-3 zone has really done its job, just like it did last year. In general, the 2-3 zone's idea is to bog down the opponents offense and force them to take outside shots. Guess what? It has done that. The problem? We've run into a ton of teams who when we've forced them to take these outside shots, they're nailing them in the games we've lost. In the games we've won, they've missed them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%E2%80%933_zone_defense

Fourth off, ever hear of the "sophomore slump" theory? Last year, Murphy was running a 2-3 zone that the other MAC coaches weren't used to being run as consistently as it was. We win the MAC West thanks to it. This year, the coaches have adjusted to it a bit more but we're still in a large chunk of these games and finished a mediocre 7-9. If we continue to be this mediocre next year I'll start buying into our negativity a bit more. I think Murphy needs to be more creative offensively and be willing to change things a bit more defensively if a team is hitting 3's.

Fifth off, this team can beat NIU and Bowling Green if they WANT to. The other knock I can make against Murphy is that I don't see much passion out of his team at all outside of Bryant. I'd like to see a little more fight and desire out of these guys, instead of this listless attitude. I'm not meaning this as another knock on Riley, but every time they show him after a play he has this almost emotionless, dumbfounded look on his face. That's not exactly showing me much fight or fire. Then again, it's also tough to show that when you're only playing in front of a few hundred fans each home game too.

Just some random ideas. Fire away.
(03-10-2013 09:05 AM)TheCrumbIsHere Wrote: [ -> ]Just some thoughts..

First off, when we played Purdue and they lost to that Bucknell team they were a BAD Big Ten team. However, that team has started to figure a lot of things out and are playing much better basketball at the end of the season. They looked really solid against Michigan and beat up on an extremely talented but underachieving Minnesota team. Bucknell is a win over Lafayette at home away from being an NCAA Tournament. I think Purdue is an example of what good coaching can do for a team as I think Painter is an extremely solid coach for them. I'd say that Purdue is a pretty average team in the best conference in the country.

Second off, I think a lot of the problem we as a group have when it comes to the performance of this year's team is that we overvalued the talent of the recruits that transferred in. I'm not going to say that I wasn't also duped into thinking the same thing as well. When we read about the pedigrees of the players we got and more importantly the SIZE of the players that we got, all of us started to get big eyed and started to think about the great possibilities of what could happen. So now when they're not performing, we're all pissed off because they aren't meeting our expectations. We need to put it into perspective. If these guys transferred from schools such as Wyoming, such as Arkansas, such as Syracuse there was a REASON they transferred and weren't playing much at those programs. In addition, we also need to put it into perspective that this is the first year that these guys played together for a full season. So, you'd like to think that you'll see some more cohesiveness from the team next year.

Third off, these last two years were easily the most frustrating that I've watched EMU Basketball. In the past, there were genuinely a large number of games that EMU would just get destroyed in and you'd just have to laugh at how pathetic it was. Now Eastern is frustratingly close in a lot of these games and are playing a completely mind numbing brand of offense. I know I'm beating this drum to death too, but I still remember hearing Murphy say at the beginning of the year that he lets his players essentially freelance on offense and he focused his efforts on defense. It still blows my mind at how cohesive this team can be defensively and then completely change their attitude on offense and try to do everything on their own. You'd like to think that will all of this bravado that he brings out with his "principles" that he would emphasize TEAM play on the offensive end of the floor.

Defensively this year the 2-3 zone has really done its job, just like it did last year. In general, the 2-3 zone's idea is to bog down the opponents offense and force them to take outside shots. Guess what? It has done that. The problem? We've run into a ton of teams who when we've forced them to take these outside shots, they're nailing them in the games we've lost. In the games we've won, they've missed them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%E2%80%933_zone_defense

Fourth off, ever hear of the "sophomore slump" theory? Last year, Murphy was running a 2-3 zone that the other MAC coaches weren't used to being run as consistently as it was. We win the MAC West thanks to it. This year, the coaches have adjusted to it a bit more but we're still in a large chunk of these games and finished a mediocre 7-9. If we continue to be this mediocre next year I'll start buying into our negativity a bit more. I think Murphy needs to be more creative offensively and be willing to change things a bit more defensively if a team is hitting 3's.

Fifth off, this team can beat NIU and Bowling Green if they WANT to. The other knock I can make against Murphy is that I don't see much passion out of his team at all outside of Bryant. I'd like to see a little more fight and desire out of these guys, instead of this listless attitude. I'm not meaning this as another knock on Riley, but every time they show him after a play he has this almost emotionless, dumbfounded look on his face. That's not exactly showing me much fight or fire. Then again, it's also tough to show that when you're only playing in front of a few hundred fans each home game too.

Just some random ideas. Fire away.

I agree on most of what you have written but add that DT and Austen play with a lot of emotion as well but Austen tries to do much. 04-bow
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