Do you guys still want to add Tulsa and/or USM?
I know I'm being a smartass but this was my fear with adding them to begin with. I don't want my school splitting any part of the money now.
2.0 per school versus 1.8. Is 200,000 worth either program that offers pretty decent basketball and football and a history with many of the nBE schools. At this point the money don't mean much and for me never really did. The meaningful matchups mean alot though with SOS and natural rivalries, so IMHO, YES.
(02-22-2013 07:36 PM)Cooglius Caeser Wrote: [ -> ]Do you guys still want to add Tulsa and/or USM?
I know I'm being a smartass but this was my fear with adding them to begin with. I don't want my school splitting any part of the money now.
Actually, my thinking is with the value so low--does it really make a difference? A couple of hundred thousand a school? Does it really matter to give the conference a little more security? If we do that, then really S Miss is the only real consistent threat from CUSA. I also think its irrelevent. If I remember correctly the deal adjusts for membership, which is where the 20-23 number was coming for. If they matched the deal financially, I suspect the ESPN deal does the same. Adding Tulsa might reduce earnings per team, but it would not be due to splitting the media contract. In fact, the media contract might be the only revenue stream that isnt reduced on a per-team basis by adding Tulsa.
We remain as we are... I say No.
In reading the story on ESPN it made it seem like the $20M included a championship game. Doesn't that mean the Big East HAS to add another team?
(02-22-2013 07:54 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: [ -> ]In reading the story on ESPN it made it seem like the $20M included a championship game. Doesn't that mean the Big East HAS to add another team?
beat me to it.
you guys should add umass. Having one school in the lower 110s apparently isn't enough for the temple fans.
you will need to add four teams to get to 12 and keep up with the mwc after uconn and cinn leave.
Houston will probably move to a better league in the next five years anyway if they can get back to where they were under sumlin.
If you want the best teams then add the best programs available if you want markets and teams with no tradition and potential then do what cusa is doing.
Cusa pulled it off with USf and Ucf.
Tulsa fans could care less about the money. Houston fans shouldn't either.
Is Navy still joining the nBE?
(02-22-2013 07:54 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: [ -> ]In reading the story on ESPN it made it seem like the $20M included a championship game. Doesn't that mean the Big East HAS to add another team?
No. It does not. It simply means that if the BE decides to expand and include a CCG, it will be covered by ESPN.
(02-22-2013 08:19 PM)Steve509 Wrote: [ -> ]Is Navy still joining the nBE?
I would say no. Best bet would be stay at 10 if they don't and try to get a champ game at 10 just like the Big12
(02-22-2013 07:54 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: [ -> ]In reading the story on ESPN it made it seem like the $20M included a championship game. Doesn't that mean the Big East HAS to add another team?
Another article also said that the BE is likely to support the B12 push to get a CCG for only 10 teams. I bet the thought is that Navy decides to stay independent leaving the BE with 10 teams.
B12 already said they are dropping the request.
(02-22-2013 09:08 PM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]B12 already said they are dropping the request.
No they aren't. They said they won't necessarily put on a CCG, but they still want the option to do it with 10 teams. The XII are still full bore on that request.
I just read that some where else. Must have misread a thread a day or 2 ago. Heck It isn't like BE fans have any distractions or anything.
(02-22-2013 09:08 PM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]B12 already said they are dropping the request.
Wouldn't get approved @ 10 anyway.
Add Umass if Navy is on board.
(02-22-2013 09:21 PM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]I just read that some where else. Must have misread a thread a day or 2 ago. Heck It isn't like BE fans have any distractions or anything.
I think you're referring to this article:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/48746327/n..._football/
where Bob Bowlsby said that the XII might not have a CCG, even though they are pushing for the rule to change.
Quote:The Big 12 wants the option to play a conference championship football game with only 10 members. That doesn't mean it will.
Speaking at a function for Oklahoma State's Spears School of Business, Commissioner Bob Bowlsby said it doesn't make good business sense right now for the Big 12 to have a championship game.
"Take a look at the attendance on the conference championship games this year and take a look at the TV ratings," Bowlsby said. "They aren't the kind of things that are going to invite you to take that up as a new business proposition."
Bowlsby said late last month the league will seek permission from the NCAA to be able to hold a title game with 10 teams. Current NCAA rules require leagues to have at least 12 members to hold a football title game.
Bowlsby said Wednesday that proposal is intended to deregulate how conferences are allowed to determine a champion.
"If that includes a playoff between two high-ranked teams, that's fine," Bowlsby said. "If it requires a playoff between the winners of two divisions, that's fine. But it shouldn't have to be two six-team divisions. It could be two five-team divisions. It just seems like an obvious place where deregulation makes a lot of sense."
The XII wants the option. They just don't necessarily intend to exercise that option if it gets approved.
I'm now of the opinion that this ordeal really cant get any worse, so we might as well make the conference fun to watch. Bring on Tulsa and USM.
My only issue is, I DO want to appeal to the northern teams still. Temple and UConn need some company up there. If Navy is still on board, I think a northern team should be first in
(02-22-2013 09:57 PM)Kruciff Wrote: [ -> ]I'm now of the opinion that this ordeal really cant get any worse, so we might as well make the conference fun to watch. Bring on Tulsa and USM.
My only issue is, I DO want to appeal to the northern teams still. Temple and UConn need some company up there. If Navy is still on board, I think a northern team should be first in
Tulsa just has limited potential to me. Stadium that only holds 20k and Smallest enrollment. If they start to stink at FB what would be the value? Umass has basketball history and they are a flagship. That is worth the risk of their FB team. You can see ESPN and others like the idea of more sexy basketball match ups. The could slide in nice with Uconn and Temple in the north.
(02-22-2013 09:57 PM)Kruciff Wrote: [ -> ]I'm now of the opinion that this ordeal really cant get any worse, so we might as well make the conference fun to watch. Bring on Tulsa and USM.
My only issue is, I DO want to appeal to the northern teams still. Temple and UConn need some company up there. If Navy is still on board, I think a northern team should be first in
If Navy is still on board--that is a northern team. I'd add Tulsa and be done (if you prefer S Miss over Tulsa, that would be ok too). I would be fine with adding UMass for olympic sports to balance off Navy. To be truthful, I think we could help the conference by adding 2 or 3 basktball only programs. I know the anti-hybrid folks will hate the idea, but adding say three of Fordham (NY), VCU, UMass (Boston), or Wichata St might be help our basketball regain some lost market value.