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Dear realistEagle,
I am sick to death about these companies that manufacture sporting goods overseas. Isn't there one manufacturer that makes things in the United States? That is to whom I would take my business.
I stopped buying any Nike apparel, when I found out they refused to open a shoe factory in Flint, Michigan because they (Nike) said the workers there didn't want to make shoes. It really boiled down to Nike not wanting to pay higher wages in America.
(02-22-2013 11:39 AM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear realistEagle,
I am sick to death about these companies that manufacture sporting goods overseas. Isn't there one manufacturer that makes things in the United States? That is to whom I would take my business.
I stopped buying any Nike apparel, when I found out they refused to open a shoe factory in Flint, Michigan because they (Nike) said the workers there didn't want to make shoes. It really boiled down to Nike not wanting to pay higher wages in America.

My information on this is VERY old, but I remember when New Balance (Mass.) might have been the big name athletic shoe manufacturer still producing shoes in the U.S.A.

A little O/T for a sports board, but the argument Nike is making is a fraud.

Labor, like any good or commodity, is subject to the laws of supply and demand.

For example, if McDonalds wants high quality workers, with excellent communication skills, etc. all they need to do is move their salary scale to the price/labor point where it becomes desirable for more capable workers to take those employment opportunities.

Nine bucks an hour isn't what I have in mind. 03-lmfao
I really wonder if the difference in profits would be that much larger if these companies actually located their factories in the United States? I remember a while back I read that if Apple was to locate their factories in the States the products would be a few bucks more expensive and the reason why they won't do that is that they do not want to anger the costumer. Are we Americans really that cheap/greedy? Crap, I will pay the extra dollars if it benefits our nations and the people who need the jobs.
My other issue is:

If a company wants to locate their factories overseas go ahead BUT treat these peoples as human beings and not animals. It is insane what these corporations do to those poor people. If someone wants some examples just look up the American corporations in Columbia and Latin America in general. Coca Cola is one awful one and the banana brand Chiquita (spelling?) Both groups have been linked to funding guerrilla groups to terrorize the workers... 03-banghead
(02-22-2013 11:48 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:39 AM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear realistEagle,
I am sick to death about these companies that manufacture sporting goods overseas. Isn't there one manufacturer that makes things in the United States? That is to whom I would take my business.
I stopped buying any Nike apparel, when I found out they refused to open a shoe factory in Flint, Michigan because they (Nike) said the workers there didn't want to make shoes. It really boiled down to Nike not wanting to pay higher wages in America.

My information on this is VERY old, but I remember when New Balance (Mass.) might have been the big name athletic shoe manufacturer still producing shoes in the U.S.A.

A little O/T for a sports board, but the argument Nike is making is a fraud.

Labor, like any good or commodity, is subject to the laws of supply and demand.

For example, if McDonalds wants high quality workers, with excellent communication skills, etc. all they need to do is move their salary scale to the price/labor point where it becomes desirable for more capable workers to take those employment opportunities.

Nine bucks an hour isn't what I have in mind. 03-lmfao

New Balance is still in the US. Their shoes are the only sneakers I will buy.
(02-23-2013 07:53 AM)holybovine Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:48 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:39 AM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear realistEagle,
I am sick to death about these companies that manufacture sporting goods overseas. Isn't there one manufacturer that makes things in the United States? That is to whom I would take my business.
I stopped buying any Nike apparel, when I found out they refused to open a shoe factory in Flint, Michigan because they (Nike) said the workers there didn't want to make shoes. It really boiled down to Nike not wanting to pay higher wages in America.

My information on this is VERY old, but I remember when New Balance (Mass.) might have been the big name athletic shoe manufacturer still producing shoes in the U.S.A.

A little O/T for a sports board, but the argument Nike is making is a fraud.

Labor, like any good or commodity, is subject to the laws of supply and demand.

For example, if McDonalds wants high quality workers, with excellent communication skills, etc. all they need to do is move their salary scale to the price/labor point where it becomes desirable for more capable workers to take those employment opportunities.

Nine bucks an hour isn't what I have in mind. 03-lmfao

New Balance is still in the US. Their shoes are the only sneakers I will buy.
If we're going to switch, I would recommend UnderArmour which is an American based company, er at least I think they are. EMU Steve probably could confirm because I think they're based in MD.
(02-23-2013 09:20 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-23-2013 07:53 AM)holybovine Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:48 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:39 AM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear realistEagle,
I am sick to death about these companies that manufacture sporting goods overseas. Isn't there one manufacturer that makes things in the United States? That is to whom I would take my business.
I stopped buying any Nike apparel, when I found out they refused to open a shoe factory in Flint, Michigan because they (Nike) said the workers there didn't want to make shoes. It really boiled down to Nike not wanting to pay higher wages in America.

My information on this is VERY old, but I remember when New Balance (Mass.) might have been the big name athletic shoe manufacturer still producing shoes in the U.S.A.

A little O/T for a sports board, but the argument Nike is making is a fraud.

Labor, like any good or commodity, is subject to the laws of supply and demand.

For example, if McDonalds wants high quality workers, with excellent communication skills, etc. all they need to do is move their salary scale to the price/labor point where it becomes desirable for more capable workers to take those employment opportunities.

Nine bucks an hour isn't what I have in mind. 03-lmfao

New Balance is still in the US. Their shoes are the only sneakers I will buy.
If we're going to switch, I would recommend UnderArmour which is an American based company, er at least I think they are. EMU Steve probably could confirm because I think they're based in MD.

I haven't checked recently but I think they were founded in Baltimore.
(02-22-2013 12:12 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]I really wonder if the difference in profits would be that much larger if these companies actually located their factories in the United States? I remember a while back I read that if Apple was to locate their factories in the States the products would be a few bucks more expensive and the reason why they won't do that is that they do not want to anger the costumer. Are we Americans really that cheap/greedy? Crap, I will pay the extra dollars if it benefits our nations and the people who need the jobs.

I whole-heartedly agree. Everyone is just so damn greedy now-a-days.
(02-23-2013 10:27 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-23-2013 09:20 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-23-2013 07:53 AM)holybovine Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:48 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:39 AM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear realistEagle,
I am sick to death about these companies that manufacture sporting goods overseas. Isn't there one manufacturer that makes things in the United States? That is to whom I would take my business.
I stopped buying any Nike apparel, when I found out they refused to open a shoe factory in Flint, Michigan because they (Nike) said the workers there didn't want to make shoes. It really boiled down to Nike not wanting to pay higher wages in America.

My information on this is VERY old, but I remember when New Balance (Mass.) might have been the big name athletic shoe manufacturer still producing shoes in the U.S.A.

A little O/T for a sports board, but the argument Nike is making is a fraud.

Labor, like any good or commodity, is subject to the laws of supply and demand.

For example, if McDonalds wants high quality workers, with excellent communication skills, etc. all they need to do is move their salary scale to the price/labor point where it becomes desirable for more capable workers to take those employment opportunities.

Nine bucks an hour isn't what I have in mind. 03-lmfao

New Balance is still in the US. Their shoes are the only sneakers I will buy.
If we're going to switch, I would recommend UnderArmour which is an American based company, er at least I think they are. EMU Steve probably could confirm because I think they're based in MD.

I haven't checked recently but I think they were founded in Baltimore.

Founded by a former Maryland football player. Pretty cool story to read up on.

Toledo has a deal with UA.
(02-22-2013 11:26 AM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]Is it time to get someone else ?

http://www.universitybusiness.com/news/e...violations

Those violations seem minor. That student group is probably an organ of the unions working to pressure Adidas to bring their factories into the US or Germany.(where Adidas is from)
(02-22-2013 11:39 AM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear realistEagle,
I am sick to death about these companies that manufacture sporting goods overseas. Isn't there one manufacturer that makes things in the United States? That is to whom I would take my business.
I stopped buying any Nike apparel, when I found out they refused to open a shoe factory in Flint, Michigan because they (Nike) said the workers there didn't want to make shoes. It really boiled down to Nike not wanting to pay higher wages in America.

That’s their right. I have no problem with it. So long as the people overseas are not being abused or paid low wages in comparison to their standard of living then I see no reason to object. It’s called trade. Trade that once help US build our economic might and that which is still integral to our economy today.

It really is hypocritical for Americans to complain about this because once, in the not-so-distant past, we undercut industries in Europe. How the heck do you think we became so wealthy???

I would be remiss if I did not point out that insourcing is on the rise. As transportation and labor costs rise in China and third world countries, manufacturers will be pressured to send their jobs back to their home countries. Their profit margins are being sliced into. So Ken, you may yet live to see your dream of a Nike factory in the US.
(02-22-2013 11:48 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:39 AM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear realistEagle,
I am sick to death about these companies that manufacture sporting goods overseas. Isn't there one manufacturer that makes things in the United States? That is to whom I would take my business.
I stopped buying any Nike apparel, when I found out they refused to open a shoe factory in Flint, Michigan because they (Nike) said the workers there didn't want to make shoes. It really boiled down to Nike not wanting to pay higher wages in America.

My information on this is VERY old, but I remember when New Balance (Mass.) might have been the big name athletic shoe manufacturer still producing shoes in the U.S.A.

A little O/T for a sports board, but the argument Nike is making is a fraud.

Labor, like any good or commodity, is subject to the laws of supply and demand.

For example, if McDonalds wants high quality workers, with excellent communication skills, etc. all they need to do is move their salary scale to the price/labor point where it becomes desirable for more capable workers to take those employment opportunities.

Nine bucks an hour isn't what I have in mind. 03-lmfao

But they don’t want nor do they require those type of workers.

People want to be paid high wages for doing jobs chimpanzees can do. That’s suicide for a business! People call this greed, but the truth is that a business exists to make a profit. It isn’t greed to make money for people who make the companies existence possible.(e.g: stock holders) Many people are too dumb or blinded by parochial views to understand this.

This isn’t to say that there are not greedy businesses or that outsourcing is a wise long term move. There are many of the former and the latter is slow death for business. At some point businesses have to concern themselves--like Henry Ford did--with how much money the lower classes are bringing in. if there salaries fall too low then they can’t buy their goods and if they cannot buy their goods the business collapses.Thus, it is a matter of existential importance for companies to either create jobs in country or to pressure the government to create an atmosphere where they and other businesses can bring home jobs from overseas.
(02-23-2013 12:37 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:26 AM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]Is it time to get someone else ?

http://www.universitybusiness.com/news/e...violations

Those violations seem minor. That student group is probably an organ of the unions working to pressure Adidas to bring their factories into the US or Germany.(where Adidas is from)
Just trying to be a contrarian again, I see. Yawn. 03-zzz
(02-23-2013 12:37 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:26 AM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]Is it time to get someone else ?

http://www.universitybusiness.com/news/e...violations

Those violations seem minor. That student group is probably an organ of the unions working to pressure Adidas to bring their factories into the US or Germany.(where Adidas is from)

Or just a group of students who care about others and understand that Western Corporations take advantage of under developed political systems and situations and people from China/Latin America.
(02-22-2013 12:12 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]I really wonder if the difference in profits would be that much larger if these companies actually located their factories in the United States? I remember a while back I read that if Apple was to locate their factories in the States the products would be a few bucks more expensive and the reason why they won't do that is that they do not want to anger the costumer. Are we Americans really that cheap/greedy? Crap, I will pay the extra dollars if it benefits our nations and the people who need the jobs.

Who are you to criticize others? Are you really that presumptuous to call others “cheep and greedy” when you don’t know the economic pressures they are under?

Besides your arrogance, there also is the matter of your rather ill-defined statement of “a few extra dollars”. What constitutes a few extra dollars? $50? $100? $200? For many that makes a huge difference between being able to afford a quality product like Apple and or not.

You rather bizarrely take a position that HARMS the majority of the lower class. In forcing increases of wages at Walmarts and insourcing jobs from outside the US you are in effect “screw you” to the majority of the working poor who shop at Walmart and buy the cheaper goods from China and elsewhere. It is a fact that far more people shop than buy. A fact of which you do not seem to be aware.

I will grant you that those companies that cater to the upper classes(like Ralph Lauren) ought to place their factories in country or pay their employees a relatively high salary. Their goods are luxuries, not necessities and their targeted market is more-than-capable of paying a little extra.

Unless the sanctimonious windbags on the Left have a grand plan to create tens of millions of high-paying jobs out of thin air such criticism that have been bandied about on here are about as productive as a whale fart.
(02-23-2013 12:57 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-23-2013 12:37 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:26 AM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]Is it time to get someone else ?

http://www.universitybusiness.com/news/e...violations

Those violations seem minor. That student group is probably an organ of the unions working to pressure Adidas to bring their factories into the US or Germany.(where Adidas is from)

Or just a group of students who care about others and understand that Western Corporations take advantage of under developed political systems and situations and people from China/Latin America.
Do you not understand the differences in standard of living?A company does not need to pay them what an US worker would make for it to be a fair wage.

Oh, stop it with this “college kids who care” crap. They are a bunch of self-righteous windbags who haven’t spent a day in the real world. If these kids really cared they’d quit their self-interest driven pursuits, join the Peace Corps, and work to better the lives of people at a real level. Complaining about a lack of severance pay--that US workers don’t get by the way--smacks of kids who are trying too hard to horn in on the glory Martin Luther King and others so deservedly earned.
(02-23-2013 01:03 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 12:12 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]I really wonder if the difference in profits would be that much larger if these companies actually located their factories in the United States? I remember a while back I read that if Apple was to locate their factories in the States the products would be a few bucks more expensive and the reason why they won't do that is that they do not want to anger the costumer. Are we Americans really that cheap/greedy? Crap, I will pay the extra dollars if it benefits our nations and the people who need the jobs.

Who are you to criticize others? Are you really that presumptuous to call others “cheep and greedy” when you don’t know the economic pressures they are under?

Besides your arrogance, there also is the matter of your rather ill-defined statement of “a few extra dollars”. What constitutes a few extra dollars? $50? $100? $200? For many that makes a huge difference between being able to afford a quality product like Apple and or not.

You rather bizarrely take a position that HARMS the majority of the lower class. In forcing increases of wages at Walmarts and insourcing jobs from outside the US you are in effect “screw you” to the majority of the working poor who shop at Walmart and buy the cheaper goods from China and elsewhere. It is a fact that far more people shop than buy. A fact of which you do not seem to be aware.

I will grant you that those companies that cater to the upper classes(like Ralph Lauren) ought to place their factories in country or pay their employees a relatively high salary. Their goods are luxuries, not necessities and their targeted market is more-than-capable of paying a little extra.

Unless the sanctimonious windbags on the Left have a grand plan to create tens of millions of high-paying jobs out of thin air such criticism that have been bandied about on here are about as productive as a whale fart.

Hahaha I lost you at Ralph Lauren being luxurious. I do not think you know what a luxury good is 03-lmfao03-lmfao anyways you are missing the point. I understand that other countries have lower living standards and lower wages. My issue with American companies over seas is not the pay. Of course a farmer in Columbia or pheasant in China who cannot read or write will not be paid 9$ an hour. But they are a HUMAN being and not a DOG. Go do some reading on what happens when these workers ask for some type of rights and to what extent these companies go to terrorize these poor people. That is what I have a problem with not the pay. Oh and about Apple. You never heard about their factories in China? You think that it is okay to treat people like that? Oh and about the lower class. I think it would benefit them to open up some factories around the country. In economic distress it is extremely heard to find any jobs especially minimum wage jobs as our country has plenty of uneducated/immigrant workers who could find a job in a factory like this.
(02-23-2013 01:09 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-23-2013 12:57 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-23-2013 12:37 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 11:26 AM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]Is it time to get someone else ?

http://www.universitybusiness.com/news/e...violations

Those violations seem minor. That student group is probably an organ of the unions working to pressure Adidas to bring their factories into the US or Germany.(where Adidas is from)

Or just a group of students who care about others and understand that Western Corporations take advantage of under developed political systems and situations and people from China/Latin America.
Do you not understand the differences in standard of living?A company does not need to pay them what an US worker would make for it to be a fair wage.

Oh, stop it with this “college kids who care” crap. They are a bunch of self-righteous windbags who haven’t spent a day in the real world. If these kids really cared they’d quit their self-interest driven pursuits, join the Peace Corps, and work to better the lives of people at a real level. Complaining about a lack of severance pay--that US workers don’t get by the way--smacks of kids who are trying too hard to horn in on the glory Martin Luther King and others so deservedly earned.

You should not compare anything to US workers because workers during The European Industrial Revolution had more rights and privileges than we have now. I am surprised that we are allowed bathroom breaks.
(02-23-2013 01:26 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-23-2013 01:03 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2013 12:12 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]I really wonder if the difference in profits would be that much larger if these companies actually located their factories in the United States? I remember a while back I read that if Apple was to locate their factories in the States the products would be a few bucks more expensive and the reason why they won't do that is that they do not want to anger the costumer. Are we Americans really that cheap/greedy? Crap, I will pay the extra dollars if it benefits our nations and the people who need the jobs.

Who are you to criticize others? Are you really that presumptuous to call others “cheep and greedy” when you don’t know the economic pressures they are under?

Besides your arrogance, there also is the matter of your rather ill-defined statement of “a few extra dollars”. What constitutes a few extra dollars? $50? $100? $200? For many that makes a huge difference between being able to afford a quality product like Apple and or not.

You rather bizarrely take a position that HARMS the majority of the lower class. In forcing increases of wages at Walmarts and insourcing jobs from outside the US you are in effect “screw you” to the majority of the working poor who shop at Walmart and buy the cheaper goods from China and elsewhere. It is a fact that far more people shop than buy. A fact of which you do not seem to be aware.

I will grant you that those companies that cater to the upper classes(like Ralph Lauren) ought to place their factories in country or pay their employees a relatively high salary. Their goods are luxuries, not necessities and their targeted market is more-than-capable of paying a little extra.

Unless the sanctimonious windbags on the Left have a grand plan to create tens of millions of high-paying jobs out of thin air such criticism that have been bandied about on here are about as productive as a whale fart.

Hahaha I lost you at Ralph Lauren being luxurious. I do not think you know what a luxury good is 03-lmfao03-lmfao anyways you are missing the point. I understand that other countries have lower living standards and lower wages. My issue with American companies over seas is not the pay. Of course a farmer in Columbia or pheasant in China who cannot read or write will not be paid 9$ an hour. But they are a HUMAN being and not a DOG. Go do some reading on what happens when these workers ask for some type of rights and to what extent these companies go to terrorize these poor people. That is what I have a problem with not the pay. Oh and about Apple. You never heard about their factories in China? You think that it is okay to treat people like that? Oh and about the lower class. I think it would benefit them to open up some factories around the country. In economic distress it is extremely heard to find any jobs especially minimum wage jobs as our country has plenty of uneducated/immigrant workers who could find a job in a factory like this.

Ralph Lauren is considered an upscale clothier. Obviously not at the level of Versace, but still more expensive then what the Average Joe can afford.

You forget that China is the one “terrorizing” the people, not the companies. Explain to us how a Communist state would permit foreign companies to “terrorize” their workers? Answer: They don’t. There is no terrorizing except that done by the state. You need to stop reading Union and Left Wing propaganda and start thinking for yourself. This isn’t the Henry Clay Frick vs the workers anymore. This a world where everyone lies and distorts to fulfill an agenda.

Unions are a business. I know. I belong to one. And like a business they will do anything they have to do in order to survive. That means the use of propaganda, which socialists and anarchists will gladly produce in order to sell you their vision of the world.

We are all are being manipulated by corporations, government, NGOS, and activist groups. The sooner you realize that the sooner you can start inuring yourself against propaganda.

Oh and insourcing is coming. As I noted earlier the trend is for manufacturing jobs being shipped back here because of an increase in wages overseas and the cost of transportation.
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