(02-23-2013 01:33 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2013 01:09 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2013 12:57 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2013 12:37 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2013 11:26 AM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]Is it time to get someone else ?
http://www.universitybusiness.com/news/e...violations
Those violations seem minor. That student group is probably an organ of the unions working to pressure Adidas to bring their factories into the US or Germany.(where Adidas is from)
Or just a group of students who care about others and understand that Western Corporations take advantage of under developed political systems and situations and people from China/Latin America.
Do you not understand the differences in standard of living?A company does not need to pay them what an US worker would make for it to be a fair wage.
Oh, stop it with this “college kids who care” crap. They are a bunch of self-righteous windbags who haven’t spent a day in the real world. If these kids really cared they’d quit their self-interest driven pursuits, join the Peace Corps, and work to better the lives of people at a real level. Complaining about a lack of severance pay--that US workers don’t get by the way--smacks of kids who are trying too hard to horn in on the glory Martin Luther King and others so deservedly earned.
You should not compare anything to US workers because workers during The European Industrial Revolution had more rights and privileges than we have now. I am surprised that we are allowed bathroom breaks.
Boy, you are out of touch with reality. Firstly, OSHA guarantees that no one works in unsafe conditions. Secondly, everyone is granted a respectable amount of vacation time. Thirdly, the advent of lawsuits and activist groups guarantees that the abuses that produce a Triangle or Homestead are extremely unlikely to happen.Now add social media to this and your ridiculous statement looks even more preposterous.
Are wages stagnant? Yes. Are there bad companies? Also yes. But you have at your disposable the means to change these corrupt entities. Either through legal action or through the power of social media you can change how a company behaves. Our forefathers had nothing of the sort and they worked in FAR WORSE conditions than we do. You need to open a history book, son, because you just don’t know hod good you have it.
(02-23-2013 01:43 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2013 01:26 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2013 01:03 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2013 12:12 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]I really wonder if the difference in profits would be that much larger if these companies actually located their factories in the United States? I remember a while back I read that if Apple was to locate their factories in the States the products would be a few bucks more expensive and the reason why they won't do that is that they do not want to anger the costumer. Are we Americans really that cheap/greedy? Crap, I will pay the extra dollars if it benefits our nations and the people who need the jobs.
Who are you to criticize others? Are you really that presumptuous to call others “cheep and greedy” when you don’t know the economic pressures they are under?
Besides your arrogance, there also is the matter of your rather ill-defined statement of “a few extra dollars”. What constitutes a few extra dollars? $50? $100? $200? For many that makes a huge difference between being able to afford a quality product like Apple and or not.
You rather bizarrely take a position that HARMS the majority of the lower class. In forcing increases of wages at Walmarts and insourcing jobs from outside the US you are in effect “screw you” to the majority of the working poor who shop at Walmart and buy the cheaper goods from China and elsewhere. It is a fact that far more people shop than buy. A fact of which you do not seem to be aware.
I will grant you that those companies that cater to the upper classes(like Ralph Lauren) ought to place their factories in country or pay their employees a relatively high salary. Their goods are luxuries, not necessities and their targeted market is more-than-capable of paying a little extra.
Unless the sanctimonious windbags on the Left have a grand plan to create tens of millions of high-paying jobs out of thin air such criticism that have been bandied about on here are about as productive as a whale fart.
Hahaha I lost you at Ralph Lauren being luxurious. I do not think you know what a luxury good is 
anyways you are missing the point. I understand that other countries have lower living standards and lower wages. My issue with American companies over seas is not the pay. Of course a farmer in Columbia or pheasant in China who cannot read or write will not be paid 9$ an hour. But they are a HUMAN being and not a DOG. Go do some reading on what happens when these workers ask for some type of rights and to what extent these companies go to terrorize these poor people. That is what I have a problem with not the pay. Oh and about Apple. You never heard about their factories in China? You think that it is okay to treat people like that? Oh and about the lower class. I think it would benefit them to open up some factories around the country. In economic distress it is extremely heard to find any jobs especially minimum wage jobs as our country has plenty of uneducated/immigrant workers who could find a job in a factory like this.
Ralph Lauren is considered an upscale clothier. Obviously not at the level of Versace, but still more expensive then what the Average Joe can afford.
You forget that China is the one “terrorizing” the people, not the companies. Explain to us how a Communist state would permit foreign companies to “terrorize” their workers? Answer: They don’t. There is no terrorizing except that done by the state. You need to stop reading Union and Left Wing propaganda and start thinking for yourself. This isn’t the Henry Clay Frick vs the workers anymore. This a world where everyone lies and distorts to fulfill an agenda.
Unions are a business. I know. I belong to one. And like a business they will do anything they have to do in order to survive. That means the use of propaganda, which socialists and anarchists will gladly produce in order to sell you their vision of the world.
We are all are being manipulated by corporations, government, NGOS, and activist groups. The sooner you realize that the sooner you can start inuring yourself against propaganda.
Oh and insourcing is coming. As I noted earlier the trend is for manufacturing jobs being shipped back here because of an increase in wages overseas and the cost of transportation.
Example: in Columbia American companies have been linked to guerrilla groups who terrorized workers and politicians who worked for positive change and had the potential to cut their profits. This a fact not propaganda. Apple and other American companies choose to treat their workers the way they do. The Chinese government just doesn't do anything about it and of course they are at fault as well. Why do you think American companies do not place their facilities in Eastern Europe or the Balkans? In countries hit by the European recession such as Bulgaria people would gladly work for ANY money. The thing is the governments there understand human rights and workers rights. It might take years but we won't be forever in Latin America same goes for China. I do not understand what you are trying to argue about? I understand that companies are ran for profit. But wouldn't world be a little better place if Apple made a billion less but some people would have a better life?
I don't know which was worse -- listening to today's EMU basketball game, or reading this sanctimonious, self-important thread?
(02-23-2013 02:02 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2013 01:43 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2013 01:26 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2013 01:03 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2013 12:12 PM)realistEagle Wrote: [ -> ]I really wonder if the difference in profits would be that much larger if these companies actually located their factories in the United States? I remember a while back I read that if Apple was to locate their factories in the States the products would be a few bucks more expensive and the reason why they won't do that is that they do not want to anger the costumer. Are we Americans really that cheap/greedy? Crap, I will pay the extra dollars if it benefits our nations and the people who need the jobs.
Who are you to criticize others? Are you really that presumptuous to call others “cheep and greedy” when you don’t know the economic pressures they are under?
Besides your arrogance, there also is the matter of your rather ill-defined statement of “a few extra dollars”. What constitutes a few extra dollars? $50? $100? $200? For many that makes a huge difference between being able to afford a quality product like Apple and or not.
You rather bizarrely take a position that HARMS the majority of the lower class. In forcing increases of wages at Walmarts and insourcing jobs from outside the US you are in effect “screw you” to the majority of the working poor who shop at Walmart and buy the cheaper goods from China and elsewhere. It is a fact that far more people shop than buy. A fact of which you do not seem to be aware.
I will grant you that those companies that cater to the upper classes(like Ralph Lauren) ought to place their factories in country or pay their employees a relatively high salary. Their goods are luxuries, not necessities and their targeted market is more-than-capable of paying a little extra.
Unless the sanctimonious windbags on the Left have a grand plan to create tens of millions of high-paying jobs out of thin air such criticism that have been bandied about on here are about as productive as a whale fart.
Hahaha I lost you at Ralph Lauren being luxurious. I do not think you know what a luxury good is anyways you are missing the point. I understand that other countries have lower living standards and lower wages. My issue with American companies over seas is not the pay. Of course a farmer in Columbia or pheasant in China who cannot read or write will not be paid 9$ an hour. But they are a HUMAN being and not a DOG. Go do some reading on what happens when these workers ask for some type of rights and to what extent these companies go to terrorize these poor people. That is what I have a problem with not the pay. Oh and about Apple. You never heard about their factories in China? You think that it is okay to treat people like that? Oh and about the lower class. I think it would benefit them to open up some factories around the country. In economic distress it is extremely heard to find any jobs especially minimum wage jobs as our country has plenty of uneducated/immigrant workers who could find a job in a factory like this.
Ralph Lauren is considered an upscale clothier. Obviously not at the level of Versace, but still more expensive then what the Average Joe can afford.
You forget that China is the one “terrorizing” the people, not the companies. Explain to us how a Communist state would permit foreign companies to “terrorize” their workers? Answer: They don’t. There is no terrorizing except that done by the state. You need to stop reading Union and Left Wing propaganda and start thinking for yourself. This isn’t the Henry Clay Frick vs the workers anymore. This a world where everyone lies and distorts to fulfill an agenda.
Unions are a business. I know. I belong to one. And like a business they will do anything they have to do in order to survive. That means the use of propaganda, which socialists and anarchists will gladly produce in order to sell you their vision of the world.
We are all are being manipulated by corporations, government, NGOS, and activist groups. The sooner you realize that the sooner you can start inuring yourself against propaganda.
Oh and insourcing is coming. As I noted earlier the trend is for manufacturing jobs being shipped back here because of an increase in wages overseas and the cost of transportation.
Example: in Columbia American companies have been linked to guerrilla groups who terrorized workers and politicians who worked for positive change and had the potential to cut their profits. This a fact not propaganda. Apple and other American companies choose to treat their workers the way they do. The Chinese government just doesn't do anything about it and of course they are at fault as well. Why do you think American companies do not place their facilities in Eastern Europe or the Balkans? In countries hit by the European recession such as Bulgaria people would gladly work for ANY money. The thing is the governments there understand human rights and workers rights. It might take years but we won't be forever in Latin America same goes for China. I do not understand what you are trying to argue about? I understand that companies are ran for profit. But wouldn't world be a little better place if Apple made a billion less but some people would have a better life?
American companies don’t run those factories. In China the state controls everything. Do you honestly think that these government let Apple dictate how these employees are treated? No. China doesn’t give a rat’s rash about the rights of anyone. The blame there falls largely on the government.
In Latin America there have been terrorist groups who have used terrorism in the name of workers. I seriously doubt that US companies would in today’s world be using terrorist groups with all the potential hazards that come with the use of such people. The public relations hit would be too great.
More than a few Latin American governments are left wing so I seriously doubt that the problem is prevalent nowadays.If it is than that is the fault of their governments.
Apple already gives these people a better life by paying them for their services. Where would they be without Apple? Did you by chance notice the laid-off workers outside the closed Foxcomm plant in China? They don’t have a job now. What are YOU going to do about it?
If you care so much, start a company, build it into a multibillion dollar corporation, and then grant to your workers all their financial desires. We’ll then see how long your company remains profitable.
(02-23-2013 07:53 AM)holybovine Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2013 11:48 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Ken Barna' pid='8997944' dateline='1361551171']
My information on this is VERY old, but I remember when New Balance (Mass.) might have been the big name athletic shoe manufacturer still producing shoes in the U.S.A.
A little O/T for a sports board, but the argument Nike is making is a fraud.
Labor, like any good or commodity, is subject to the laws of supply and demand.
For example, if McDonalds wants high quality workers, with excellent communication skills, etc. all they need to do is move their salary scale to the price/labor point where it becomes desirable for more capable workers to take those employment opportunities.
Nine bucks an hour isn't what I have in mind.
New Balance is still in the US. Their shoes are the only sneakers I will buy.
I don't know where they manufacture, but New Balance subsidiary, Warrior, is headquartered in Warren. Their gear is worn by EPL Liverpool and many hockey and lacrosse teams.