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Breakdown of "flipping" football recruits
http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/college-recru...-recruits/

D’Von Isaac, defensive lineman: “This was an unusual situation, and UAB tried to put me in the middle of it, which I didn’t appreciate,” Dukes said. “Basically, D’Von went there (UAB) on a visit and liked it, and committed. His parents told UAB they were going to take another visit to Western Kentucky, and they weren’t trying to hide anything at all. They were 100-percent upfront about it. The coaches that were recruiting him at UAB, including the head coach, said that it was OK. Now they weren’t happy about it or jumping for joy but they said it was OK. However, when they are on the way to the official visit, they call and basically say if this kid steps foot on campus, we’re basically going to pull his offer. To me, that’s not the way you do business … I told them I’m going to communicate with the parents but I’m not going to be the one to deliver the bad news. They needed to call them and let them know what changed. So they did. It really not only turned off the parents, but the kid as well. That’s the reason he changed to Western Kentucky.”
"To me, that's not the way to do business..."

To me, that's the only way to do business with these commits who are visiting other schools.

Either you are committed or not. If not, see you later!
& I believe that McGee was very up front about it.

Bye!
See ya.
If it happened just like that, it's pretty sorry on UABs part. I have my doubts that it happened exactly like that
Why would that be pretty sorry on UAB's part? Don't tell UAB you are committed if you still want to shop around. You can say I'm interested but I have a couple of other schools I'm looking at. You can say you haven't decided yet. You could basically say anything. But if you say you are committed, then why would you need to go visit another school? I'm glad McGee handled it this way.
& do you really want to go to a school that considered you at the last minute based on the fact that you committed elsewhere over a school that had been interested in you for a while?
Sayonara
(02-21-2013 09:00 AM)blazers9911 Wrote: [ -> ]Why would that be pretty sorry on UAB's part? Don't tell UAB you are committed if you still want to shop around. You can say I'm interested but I have a couple of other schools I'm looking at. You can say you haven't decided yet. You could basically say anything. But if you say you are committed, then why would you need to go visit another school? I'm glad McGee handled it this way.

+1
I just clicked on the link showing all of the Georgia D1 commits who switched at least once.

This is the one that caught my eye the most.

Blake Rowlinson, WR, Alpharetta: Switched from Troy to Yale

Talk about an extreme switch - Troy to Yale! That's like going from a junior college to Stanford.
If you're going to keep shopping, so are we.
Commit:

transitive verb
1
a : to put into charge or trust : entrust
b : to place in a prison or mental institution
c : to consign or record for preservation
d : to put into a place for disposal or safekeeping
e : to refer (as a legislative bill) to a committee for consideration and report
2
: to carry into action deliberately : perpetrate
3
a : obligate, bind
b : to pledge or assign to some particular course or use
c : to reveal the views of
intransitive verb
1
obsolete : to perpetrate an offense
2
: to obligate or pledge oneself
I applaud Mcgee for taking that stance. In the 4th quarter when the chips are down I want a kid that is committed to UAB in more ways than one. I don't want a guy here that is only here until something better comes along.
(02-21-2013 09:00 AM)blazers9911 Wrote: [ -> ]Why would that be pretty sorry on UAB's part? Don't tell UAB you are committed if you still want to shop around. You can say I'm interested but I have a couple of other schools I'm looking at. You can say you haven't decided yet. You could basically say anything. But if you say you are committed, then why would you need to go visit another school? I'm glad McGee handled it this way.

I agree. But IF (I said I have my doubts) UAB said, "yeah, go ahead, take more visits, we'll stay firm on our commitment" and then while the kid was in the car, on his way, somebody calls to say "oh yeah, we changed our mind...if you don't turn around, we're done." I think that would be sorry.

Again, I doubt that's what happened
Scarbinsky: UAB's Garrick McGee follows Nick Saban's 'you shop, we shop' philosophy
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...sky_7.html

It's every high school player's right to choose his own college, but there's more to that story than the snap judgment from afar that Western Kentucky coach Bobby Petrino stole a player from one of his proteges in UAB coach Garrick McGee.

Anderson said McGee called him "when Kalvin was talking about (taking a visit to) Western Kentucky."

"Coach McGee said, 'Kalvin's our first choice, but I can't be left holding the bag,' " Anderson said.

McGee's philosophy sounds a lot like the "you shop, we shop" approach of Nick Saban. For McGee, Anderson said, his position on Robinson was this: 'If you take the trip to Western Kentucky, I've got to go find me somebody else.' "

"I can totally understand that," Anderson said. "I think Kalvin understood that."

Anderson also knows the desire of high school players, some of whom have never left their home state, to see other places.

"I understand the kid on that," he said. "But if the coach is up front with you, you've got to understand what it means to be committed. Either you're in or you're out."

I understand, from talking to different coaches, that McGee does have that policy. If you commit to UAB, you should be committed to UAB. If you commit to UAB and then take an official visit elsewhere, your spot in UAB's signing class may be gone.

As long as he communicates that policy to recruits - and Anderson said he did in the case of Robinson - that's a straightforward, no-nonsense way to try to ensure that commitment really is a two-way street.
(02-21-2013 09:12 AM)KevMo4UAB Wrote: [ -> ]I just clicked on the link showing all of the Georgia D1 commits who switched at least once.

This is the one that caught my eye the most.

Blake Rowlinson, WR, Alpharetta: Switched from Troy to Yale

Talk about an extreme switch - Troy to Yale! That's like going from a junior college to Stanford.

It's more like going from junior high to, um, Yale.
I wonder how much this has to do with the recruit or any kind of philosophy and how much of it is just a pissing contest between Petrino and McGee. Has this happened only with Western Kentucky or with other schools too? Did McGee do this last year too?

Alabama can afford to have this policy. I don't know if UAB can.
Maybe Mullins & Southern Miss was the same situation. Not sure.
(02-21-2013 09:52 AM)58-56 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-21-2013 09:12 AM)KevMo4UAB Wrote: [ -> ]I just clicked on the link showing all of the Georgia D1 commits who switched at least once.

This is the one that caught my eye the most.

Blake Rowlinson, WR, Alpharetta: Switched from Troy to Yale

Talk about an extreme switch - Troy to Yale! That's like going from a junior college to Stanford.

It's more like going from junior high to, um, Yale.

You are absolutely right. I gave Troy too much credit.
(02-21-2013 09:38 AM)LairDweller Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-21-2013 09:00 AM)blazers9911 Wrote: [ -> ]Why would that be pretty sorry on UAB's part? Don't tell UAB you are committed if you still want to shop around. You can say I'm interested but I have a couple of other schools I'm looking at. You can say you haven't decided yet. You could basically say anything. But if you say you are committed, then why would you need to go visit another school? I'm glad McGee handled it this way.

I agree. But IF (I said I have my doubts) UAB said, "yeah, go ahead, take more visits, we'll stay firm on our commitment" and then while the kid was in the car, on his way, somebody calls to say "oh yeah, we changed our mind...if you don't turn around, we're done." I think that would be sorry.

Again, I doubt that's what happened

+1

1. Georgia HS coaches tend to protect their athletes in these types of situations, there have been several examples involving both UGA and GT this year.

2. GA (metro-atl especially) athletes are coddled, recruited, and covered starting in youth football. They compete in preseason bowls/tournaments, in-season challenges, and post-season bcs-like tournaments/bowl games. Parents get on message boards and radio shows promoting their child and his team while posting/talking smack about the up-coming opponent.
example: complete with highlights, game of the week, and rankings

3. These kids are use to craving, seeking, and getting attention, usually at the urging of their parents and coaches. If they aren't getting enough touches on their current team... they leave, if the coach gets mad at the park and he leaves, parents and players leave. That leads to a lack of loyalty. You can't "commit" to anything or anyone without a sense of loyalty.

Overly simplistic I know, but I have observed it for the past 3 years up close and personal.
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