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ACC- If the B1G takes Boston College, I take Cincy. If the SEC takes NCSU and VT I add Houston and Tulane (adding two new states). Since the ACC is the only major conference focusing Primarily north to south, I would also focus on the west.

B1G- UNC, Duke & UV have already turned them down. It would be hard for the B1G to justify taking Syracuse for the NYC market when they just said they took Rutgers for that reason. Pitt is a no because of Penn St. Ohio St. would say no to Cincy. There is no way Florida St is going to play 50% of their games in 15 degree weather. Georgia Tech would be on an island as isolated as UWV is in the Big 12. That leaves Boston College or UCONN if I go East and Kansas if I go west.

BIG 12 – Is in as precarious a position as Hitler fighting two wars on two fronts (East & West). I would add Boise ST. BYU, SDSU, Fresno St. USF & UCF. This would add Florida and California to my foot print and recruiting area. I would offer each new school twice what they are making in their present conference, with the opportunity to grow to a full share at a pro rate. A conference championship game should more than cover the cost of adding the new teams without taking anything from the present teams. If Kansas left for the B1G then I would throw out Kansas St. (hard ball).

PAC 12- I would go after UNLV, New Mexico, SMU, UTSA, Hawaii & Kansas ST (if the Big 12 threw them out) or UTEP.

SEC- I would add NCSU & VT.

Feel free to perfect my conferences.

thank goodness you aren't because those are some of the damn dumbest ideas I've seen on here

Florida State doesn't fit the profile of the Big 10-not an AAU member

Kansas has no reason to leave the Big 12 and I have no clue why you would ever think that the Big 12 would throw Kansas State out of the league

None of the schools you mentioned as potential Pac 12 schools fit the league's profile

None of the schools you have listed for potential new Big 12 members would add anything to the league except maybe BYU and the Big 12 leadership has already made it clear that BYU is not getting any special treatment so they're out.

(02-19-2013 10:56 PM)Rabonchild Wrote: [ -> ]ACC- If the B1G takes Boston College, I take Cincy. If the SEC takes NCSU and VT I add Houston and Tulane (adding two new states). Since the ACC is the only major conference focusing Primarily north to south, I would also focus on the west.

B1G- UNC, Duke & UV have already turned them down. It would be hard for the B1G to justify taking Syracuse for the NYC market when they just said they took Rutgers for that reason. Pitt is a no because of Penn St. Ohio St. would say no to Cincy. There is no way Florida St is going to play 50% of their games in 15 degree weather. Georgia Tech would be on an island as isolated as UWV is in the Big 12. That leaves Boston College or UCONN if I go East and Kansas if I go west.

BIG 12 – Is in as precarious a position as Hitler fighting two wars on two fronts (East & West). I would add Boise ST. BYU, SDSU, Fresno St. USF & UCF. This would add Florida and California to my foot print and recruiting area. I would offer each new school twice what they are making in their present conference, with the opportunity to grow to a full share at a pro rate. A conference championship game should more than cover the cost of adding the new teams without taking anything from the present teams. If Kansas left for the B1G then I would throw out Kansas St. (hard ball).

PAC 12- I would go after UNLV, New Mexico, SMU, UTSA, Hawaii & Kansas ST (if the Big 12 threw them out) or UTEP.

SEC- I would add NCSU & VT.

Feel free to perfect my conferences.

Post is a total fail.

(02-19-2013 11:08 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote: [ -> ]thank goodness you aren't because those are some of the damn dumbest ideas I've seen on here

Florida State doesn't fit the profile of the Big 10-not an AAU member

Kansas has no reason to leave the Big 12 and I have no clue why you would ever think that the Big 12 would throw Kansas State out of the league

None of the schools you mentioned as potential Pac 12 schools fit the league's profile

None of the schools you have listed for potential new Big 12 members would add anything to the league except maybe BYU and the Big 12 leadership has already made it clear that BYU is not getting any special treatment so they're out.

So "Wilson," does that mean you think NCSU & VT are a good idea?

ACC- If the B1G takes Boston College, I take Cincy. If the SEC takes NCSU and VT I add Houston and Tulane (adding two new states). Since the ACC is the only major conference focusing Primarily north to south, I would also focus on the west.

......and the already disappointing TV deal for the ACC takes a big dip if these moves are made. I'm sure FSU would be thrilled with that.

B1G- UNC, Duke & UV have already turned them down.

Nope

BIG 12 – Is in as precarious a position as Hitler fighting two wars on two fronts (East & West)

The Big 12 is just fine.



Congratulations on one of the craziest posts in a long time. I salute you!

(02-20-2013 07:51 AM)Big 12 Wrote: [ -> ]ACC- If the B1G takes Boston College, I take Cincy. If the SEC takes NCSU and VT I add Houston and Tulane (adding two new states). Since the ACC is the only major conference focusing Primarily north to south, I would also focus on the west.

......and the already disappointing TV deal for the ACC takes a big dip if these moves are made. I'm sure FSU would be thrilled with that.

B1G- UNC, Duke & UV have already turned them down.

Nope

BIG 12 – Is in as precarious a position as Hitler fighting two wars on two fronts (East & West)

The Big 12 is just fine.



Congratulations on one of the craziest posts in a long time. I salute you!

So does that mean the PAC12 is a go?

The Troll is strong in this one...LOL

If I am Delaney, I add the four mid Atlantic ACC schools. Then I target ND along with FSU down the line. If not FSU, set my sights on BC or someone north east.

FSU/Clemson probably in the Big 12 at this point. WF, UL, and Pitt could follow. No brainer adds for the former two, but if I were the SEC, I take FSU/Clemson to protect my regional monopoly. NCSU and VTech also end up in the SEC.

Big 12 could poach from the remaining ACC at this point. Pitt, UL, UC, Cuse all available. But it dilutes the brand and the geography is out of whack. I would stay at 10 unless UL and Pitt really swing the needle. I don't think they do. Leave WVU on an island for the forseeable future.

Pac 12 needs to eventually poach Texoma and others. Baylor will probably force their way in hook or crook. I think you take those 5 schools, plus Kansas schools, and one more. Go for 18-20 team conference. Houston/TCU could be the last school.

(02-20-2013 07:51 AM)Big 12 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-19-2013 10:56 PM)Rabonchild Wrote: [ -> ]B1G- UNC, Duke & UV have already turned them down.

Nope

Congratulations on one of the craziest posts in a long time. I salute you!

its amazing what people will believe simply because they want it to be true...

show me one real sourced article confirming any of these schools turned the BIG down. just one. if a president in any at any of those schools turned down a chance at the BIG and CIC, they should be publicly ridiculed in front of a national audience - then fired. its the financial future of the entire university that would benefit from these moves - not just sports. add to that that the acc (and its sports value) is likely to be on the outside looking in as the best pieces opt for either the BIG or the SEC or the Big 12 and suddenly turning any of the other conferences down - especially the BIG - looks even dumber.

"one of the craziest posts in a long time" is mild for this random string of key strokes.

"honey, don't let the monkey play with the keyboard anymore."

It's a good topic title, bad post.

Big 10- Continue to work on top targets (VA, UNC), knowing that in some cases going to take time to get primary targets. Come up with plans for 16 and larger models.

SEC- Monitor the Big 10. Gauge interest in going to 16 and vet top targets. Get ready for next TV deal.

PAC-12- Sit tight and know that while expansion is unlikely, not going to get raided. Work on growing internally with increased budgets. Work on growing brand within region.

Big-12- Sit tight and wait for Big 10/SEC to move. Make sure GOR is as strong as they'd like to think and even work on solidarity in addition to the GOR, makeing sure everybody is on the same page and needs are met. 10 model is fine but realize not a viable long term model and come with specific expansion scenarios. Don't do too much lobbying behind the scenes, though, as not to show hand. Infrastructurally, ride the wave of Texas oil/gas money and keep building.

ACC- toughest job right now. Try to close ranks as much as possible, but realize that probably not much one can do about losing teams to the SEC and Big 10. Hope you lonly lose 2-4 teams and come up with a model to stave off the Big 12 feasting on leftovers. I would even consider adding Cincy and UConn now, so that if you lose 2 each to the SEC and Big 10, you may be left with a 12 team league, that while weakened, is still viable and may still be more attractive than the some what far away and division structure challenged Big 12 option.

(02-20-2013 11:06 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]ACC- toughest job right now. Try to close ranks as much as possible, but realize that probably not much one can do about losing teams to the SEC and Big 10. Hope you lonly lose 2-4 teams and come up with a model to stave off the Big 12 feasting on leftovers. I would even consider adding Cincy and UConn now, so that if you lose 2 each to the SEC and Big 10, you may be left with a 12 team league, that while weakened, is still viable and may still be more attractive than the some what far away and division structure challenged Big 12 option.

i understand the "add 2 now to be sure to be at least 12 after the SEC and BIG raids" strategy - but shouldn't you go after west virginia and cincinnati (connecticut has nowhere to go - no rush). that reduces the big 12 to 9, while shoring up acc football and west virginia is the only "gettable" big 12 program because of their eastern geography (but no sure thing, i admit - just the acc's best available strategy).

assuming virginia and unc to BIG, virginia tech and ncsu to SEC, i assume notre dame doesn't stay, acc becomes:
north: bc, syracuse, pitt, cincinnati, louisville, west virginia
south: wake, duke, clemson, georgia tech, fsu, miami

big 12 is reduced to: texas, texas tech, baylor, tcu, oklahoma, oklahoma state, kansas, kansas state, iowa state

then hope the pac-12 comes back after texas, texas tech, oklahoma, and oklahoma state

big 12 is now: tcu, baylor, kansas, kansas state and iowa state

acc survives as a big 4; big 12 is diminished to gang of "6"

(02-20-2013 08:52 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]The Troll is strong in this one...LOL

understatement of the week!

(02-20-2013 11:24 AM)e-bethMSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 11:06 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]ACC- toughest job right now. Try to close ranks as much as possible, but realize that probably not much one can do about losing teams to the SEC and Big 10. Hope you lonly lose 2-4 teams and come up with a model to stave off the Big 12 feasting on leftovers. I would even consider adding Cincy and UConn now, so that if you lose 2 each to the SEC and Big 10, you may be left with a 12 team league, that while weakened, is still viable and may still be more attractive than the some what far away and division structure challenged Big 12 option.

i understand the "add 2 now to be sure to be at least 12 after the SEC and BIG raids" strategy - but shouldn't you go after west virginia and cincinnati (connecticut has nowhere to go - no rush). that reduces the big 12 to 9, while shoring up acc football and west virginia is the only "gettable" big 12 program because of their eastern geography (but no sure thing, i admit - just the acc's best available strategy).

assuming virginia and unc to BIG, virginia tech and ncsu to SEC, i assume notre dame doesn't stay, acc becomes:
north: bc, syracuse, pitt, cincinnati, louisville, west virginia
south: wake, duke, clemson, georgia tech, fsu, miami

big 12 is reduced to: texas, texas tech, baylor, tcu, oklahoma, oklahoma state, kansas, kansas state, iowa state

then hope the pac-12 comes back after texas, texas tech, oklahoma, and oklahoma state

big 12 is now: tcu, baylor, kansas, kansas state and iowa state

acc survives as a big 4; big 12 is diminished to gang of "6"

WVU wants nothing to do with the ACC

so your premise if flawed from the get-go

(02-20-2013 11:24 AM)e-bethMSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 11:06 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]ACC- toughest job right now. Try to close ranks as much as possible, but realize that probably not much one can do about losing teams to the SEC and Big 10. Hope you lonly lose 2-4 teams and come up with a model to stave off the Big 12 feasting on leftovers. I would even consider adding Cincy and UConn now, so that if you lose 2 each to the SEC and Big 10, you may be left with a 12 team league, that while weakened, is still viable and may still be more attractive than the some what far away and division structure challenged Big 12 option.

i understand the "add 2 now to be sure to be at least 12 after the SEC and BIG raids" strategy - but shouldn't you go after west virginia and cincinnati (connecticut has nowhere to go - no rush). that reduces the big 12 to 9, while shoring up acc football and west virginia is the only "gettable" big 12 program because of their eastern geography (but no sure thing, i admit - just the acc's best available strategy).

assuming virginia and unc to BIG, virginia tech and ncsu to SEC, i assume notre dame doesn't stay, acc becomes:
north: bc, syracuse, pitt, cincinnati, louisville, west virginia
south: wake, duke, clemson, georgia tech, fsu, miami

big 12 is reduced to: texas, texas tech, baylor, tcu, oklahoma, oklahoma state, kansas, kansas state, iowa state

then hope the pac-12 comes back after texas, texas tech, oklahoma, and oklahoma state

big 12 is now: tcu, baylor, kansas, kansas state and iowa state

acc survives as a big 4; big 12 is diminished to gang of "6"

That's a good strategy if they were playing "Risk", but it is practically an impossibility since WVU has signed a GOR, will make more in the Big 12 than the ACC, and just moved legal mountains just to get into the Big 12 (which presumably would even be more comlex and expensive to get out). Plus WVU wouldn't know if the ACC was going to lose 2, 4 or 10 teams, and no need to burn the Big 12 bridge. Not to mention there is bad blood between WVU and the ACC.

Don't think WVU is an option for the ACC.

(02-20-2013 12:04 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 11:24 AM)e-bethMSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 11:06 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]ACC- toughest job right now. Try to close ranks as much as possible, but realize that probably not much one can do about losing teams to the SEC and Big 10. Hope you lonly lose 2-4 teams and come up with a model to stave off the Big 12 feasting on leftovers. I would even consider adding Cincy and UConn now, so that if you lose 2 each to the SEC and Big 10, you may be left with a 12 team league, that while weakened, is still viable and may still be more attractive than the some what far away and division structure challenged Big 12 option.

i understand the "add 2 now to be sure to be at least 12 after the SEC and BIG raids" strategy - but shouldn't you go after west virginia and cincinnati (connecticut has nowhere to go - no rush). that reduces the big 12 to 9, while shoring up acc football and west virginia is the only "gettable" big 12 program because of their eastern geography (but no sure thing, i admit - just the acc's best available strategy).

assuming virginia and unc to BIG, virginia tech and ncsu to SEC, i assume notre dame doesn't stay, acc becomes:
north: bc, syracuse, pitt, cincinnati, louisville, west virginia
south: wake, duke, clemson, georgia tech, fsu, miami

big 12 is reduced to: texas, texas tech, baylor, tcu, oklahoma, oklahoma state, kansas, kansas state, iowa state

then hope the pac-12 comes back after texas, texas tech, oklahoma, and oklahoma state

big 12 is now: tcu, baylor, kansas, kansas state and iowa state

acc survives as a big 4; big 12 is diminished to gang of "6"

WVU wants nothing to do with the ACC

so your premise if flawed from the get-go

a unc-less acc isn't the same acc. and it'll be loaded (when pitt and syracuse and louisville are full members) with traditional rivals for west virginia - and its really the only way to be proactive against the big 12. otherwise, the big 12 eventually wins the battle to be "major conference number 4", and the acc is a c-7 that plays football too. I'm not saying the acc would win the battle this way (it probably still needs the pac 16 to bite the big 12 from the other front too), but at least they have a chance to win it.

otoh - if the acc gets decimated by the big 12, at least my school might get a bump up from the big east...so maybe i'll root for your plan.

Great ideas are being shared! Now I know a few of you have been a tad negative about my leadership as Commissioner; however that's why I get the big bucks! Visionary leadership can sometimes be under appreciated and I understand that.

(02-20-2013 12:13 PM)e-bethMSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 12:04 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 11:24 AM)e-bethMSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 11:06 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]ACC- toughest job right now. Try to close ranks as much as possible, but realize that probably not much one can do about losing teams to the SEC and Big 10. Hope you lonly lose 2-4 teams and come up with a model to stave off the Big 12 feasting on leftovers. I would even consider adding Cincy and UConn now, so that if you lose 2 each to the SEC and Big 10, you may be left with a 12 team league, that while weakened, is still viable and may still be more attractive than the some what far away and division structure challenged Big 12 option.

i understand the "add 2 now to be sure to be at least 12 after the SEC and BIG raids" strategy - but shouldn't you go after west virginia and cincinnati (connecticut has nowhere to go - no rush). that reduces the big 12 to 9, while shoring up acc football and west virginia is the only "gettable" big 12 program because of their eastern geography (but no sure thing, i admit - just the acc's best available strategy).

assuming virginia and unc to BIG, virginia tech and ncsu to SEC, i assume notre dame doesn't stay, acc becomes:
north: bc, syracuse, pitt, cincinnati, louisville, west virginia
south: wake, duke, clemson, georgia tech, fsu, miami

big 12 is reduced to: texas, texas tech, baylor, tcu, oklahoma, oklahoma state, kansas, kansas state, iowa state

then hope the pac-12 comes back after texas, texas tech, oklahoma, and oklahoma state

big 12 is now: tcu, baylor, kansas, kansas state and iowa state

acc survives as a big 4; big 12 is diminished to gang of "6"

WVU wants nothing to do with the ACC

so your premise if flawed from the get-go

a unc-less acc isn't the same acc. and it'll be loaded (when pitt and syracuse and louisville are full members) with traditional rivals for west virginia - and its really the only way to be proactive against the big 12. otherwise, the big 12 eventually wins the battle to be "major conference number 4", and the acc is a c-7 that plays football too. I'm not saying the acc would win the battle this way (it probably still needs the pac 16 to bite the big 12 from the other front too), but at least they have a chance to win it.

otoh - if the acc gets decimated by the big 12, at least my school might get a bump up from the big east...so maybe i'll root for your plan.

Between a higher payout than the ACC now (that gap would only skyrocket if the ACC is raided for UNC & others) and the GOR there is no chance of WVU leaving in that scenario.

(02-20-2013 12:07 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 11:24 AM)e-bethMSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 11:06 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]ACC- toughest job right now. Try to close ranks as much as possible, but realize that probably not much one can do about losing teams to the SEC and Big 10. Hope you lonly lose 2-4 teams and come up with a model to stave off the Big 12 feasting on leftovers. I would even consider adding Cincy and UConn now, so that if you lose 2 each to the SEC and Big 10, you may be left with a 12 team league, that while weakened, is still viable and may still be more attractive than the some what far away and division structure challenged Big 12 option.

i understand the "add 2 now to be sure to be at least 12 after the SEC and BIG raids" strategy - but shouldn't you go after west virginia and cincinnati (connecticut has nowhere to go - no rush). that reduces the big 12 to 9, while shoring up acc football and west virginia is the only "gettable" big 12 program because of their eastern geography (but no sure thing, i admit - just the acc's best available strategy).

assuming virginia and unc to BIG, virginia tech and ncsu to SEC, i assume notre dame doesn't stay, acc becomes:
north: bc, syracuse, pitt, cincinnati, louisville, west virginia
south: wake, duke, clemson, georgia tech, fsu, miami

big 12 is reduced to: texas, texas tech, baylor, tcu, oklahoma, oklahoma state, kansas, kansas state, iowa state

then hope the pac-12 comes back after texas, texas tech, oklahoma, and oklahoma state

big 12 is now: tcu, baylor, kansas, kansas state and iowa state

acc survives as a big 4; big 12 is diminished to gang of "6"

That's a good strategy if they were playing "Risk", but it is practically an impossibility since WVU has signed a GOR, will make more in the Big 12 than the ACC, and just moved legal mountains just to get into the Big 12 (which presumably would even be more comlex and expensive to get out). Plus WVU wouldn't know if the ACC was going to lose 2, 4 or 10 teams, and no need to burn the Big 12 bridge. Not to mention there is bad blood between WVU and the ACC.

Don't think WVU is an option for the ACC.

If the Big 10 and SEC grab UVA, UNC, NCSTATE, and VT there is NO WAY the money for the ACC is good enough to fend off a Big 12 raid.

What would happen at that point is the Big 12 offers FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT at least. If they demand 2 more we probably do that.

If you are those 4 southern ACC teams you'd be trading teams in the eastern time zone that (other than Duke & Wake) are 2+ states away for central time zone teams + WVU. Why stay and make less money if you can move with a mostly sensible geographic division.

If you added the southern 4 + UL + one of Duke, Pitt, or Cincy (depending on who TV and the presidents want) you'd take what they like from the ACC and raise the money.

(02-20-2013 04:03 PM)S11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 12:07 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 11:24 AM)e-bethMSU Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-20-2013 11:06 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ]ACC- toughest job right now. Try to close ranks as much as possible, but realize that probably not much one can do about losing teams to the SEC and Big 10. Hope you lonly lose 2-4 teams and come up with a model to stave off the Big 12 feasting on leftovers. I would even consider adding Cincy and UConn now, so that if you lose 2 each to the SEC and Big 10, you may be left with a 12 team league, that while weakened, is still viable and may still be more attractive than the some what far away and division structure challenged Big 12 option.

i understand the "add 2 now to be sure to be at least 12 after the SEC and BIG raids" strategy - but shouldn't you go after west virginia and cincinnati (connecticut has nowhere to go - no rush). that reduces the big 12 to 9, while shoring up acc football and west virginia is the only "gettable" big 12 program because of their eastern geography (but no sure thing, i admit - just the acc's best available strategy).

assuming virginia and unc to BIG, virginia tech and ncsu to SEC, i assume notre dame doesn't stay, acc becomes:
north: bc, syracuse, pitt, cincinnati, louisville, west virginia
south: wake, duke, clemson, georgia tech, fsu, miami

big 12 is reduced to: texas, texas tech, baylor, tcu, oklahoma, oklahoma state, kansas, kansas state, iowa state

then hope the pac-12 comes back after texas, texas tech, oklahoma, and oklahoma state

big 12 is now: tcu, baylor, kansas, kansas state and iowa state

acc survives as a big 4; big 12 is diminished to gang of "6"

That's a good strategy if they were playing "Risk", but it is practically an impossibility since WVU has signed a GOR, will make more in the Big 12 than the ACC, and just moved legal mountains just to get into the Big 12 (which presumably would even be more comlex and expensive to get out). Plus WVU wouldn't know if the ACC was going to lose 2, 4 or 10 teams, and no need to burn the Big 12 bridge. Not to mention there is bad blood between WVU and the ACC.

Don't think WVU is an option for the ACC.

If the Big 10 and SEC grab UVA, UNC, NCSTATE, and VT there is NO WAY the money for the ACC is good enough to fend off a Big 12 raid.

What would happen at that point is the Big 12 offers FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT at least. If they demand 2 more we probably do that.

If you are those 4 southern ACC teams you'd be trading teams in the eastern time zone that (other than Duke & Wake) are 2+ states away for central time zone teams + WVU. Why stay and make less money if you can move with a mostly sensible geographic division.

If you added the southern 4 + UL + one of Duke, Pitt, or Cincy (depending on who TV and the presidents want) you'd take what they like from the ACC and raise the money.

I suspect you are right, but to quote Argo, they have to look for the best bad plan they can.

The reality is that they will probably add UConn and Cincy sooner or later. Why not now?