By no means do I think all these guys could/would be candidates. I just looked at the teams with the best records in their conferences and ruled out coaches that would be taking a step down to come to UC. After reading many of these bio's, many of these guys are too young, in their first or second year of experience, or have only had a couple of good seasons............so you decide for yourself. My first choice would be to pay Mark Few 5 million dollars a year to come here ;-) but then we move on to Karl Hobbs and Mike Anderson. The MVC coaches - Altman and Greg McDermott (N. Iowa) are interesting too. Those guys are in a dogfight every year in their conference and are use to competition. Calipari's name will always be mentioned, but I think he likes playing in a conference where he's king of the hill rather than middle of the pack like he was when UC, Louisville, and Marquette were in CUSA. Look through these and see if there are any other good candidates.
Big Sky Conference - Northern Arizona University
Mike Adras - currently 9-1 (conf.) 17-7 overall
http://nau.newtier.com/modules.php?op=mo...d=1&coid=4
Atlantic-10 Conference - George Washington
Karl Hobbs - currently 9-0, 19-1
http://gwsports.collegesports.com/sports...arl00.html
Big West - Pacific University
Bob Thomason - currently 7-2, 17-6
http://pacifictigers.collegesports.com/s...bob00.html
Colonial Athletic - Hofstra University
Tom Pecora - currently 10-3, 17-4
http://www.hofstra.edu/Athletics/Mbasket..._coach.cfm
Conference USA - Memphis
John Calipari - currently ranked 3rd in the country, 7-0, 21-2
http://gotigersgo.collegesports.com/spor...ohn00.html
Conference USA - UAB
Mike Anderson - currently 6-2,16-5
http://uabsports.collegesports.com/sport...ike00.html
Conference USA - UTEP
Doc Sadler - currently 7-1, 14-6
http://www.utepathletics.com/ViewArticle...EASON=2005
Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference - Manhattan
Bobby Gonzalez - currently 11-3, 15-7
http://www.gojaspers.com/article.cfm?doc_id=36
MAAC - Iona
Jeff Ruland - currently 11-3, 17-5
http://www.iona.edu/gaels/coachesprofile.cfm?coachid=4
MAC - Akron
Keith Dambrot - currently 10-2, 17-5
http://gozips.collegesports.com/sports/m...ith00.html
MAC - Kent State University
Jim Christian - currently 10-2, 16-7
http://www.kentstatesports.com/index.php...icle_id=92
MAC - Ohio University
Tim O'Shea - currently 8-4, 14-6
http://ohiobobcats.collegesports.com/spo...tim00.html
MVC - Northern Iowa
Greg McDermott - currently ranked 25th in the country, 11-3, 21-4
http://unipanthers.collegesports.com/spo...reg00.html
MVC - Creighton University
Dana Altman - 11-3, 17-5
http://www.gocreighton.com/items_of_inte...?BiosID=68
MVC - Wichita State
Mark Turgeon - 10-4, 19-6
http://www.goshockers.com/m-basketball/coaches.aspx
MVC - Southern Illinois
Chris Lowery - 10-4, 17-7 (only his 2nd season)
http://siusalukis.collegesports.com/spor...ris00.html
PAC-10 - Washington
Lorenzo Romar
http://gohuskies.collegesports.com/sport...nzo00.html
SEC - Vanderbilt
Kevin Stalllings
http://vucommodores.com/sports/mbball/co...OACH_ID=70
West Coast Conf. - Gonzaga
Mark Few - ranked 5th in country, 9-0, 19-3
http://gozags.collegesports.com/sports/m...ark01.html
WAC - Nevada
Mark Fox - 8-3, 18-5
http://nevadawolfpack.collegesports.com/...ark00.html
Big South - Winthrop
Gregg Marshall - 9-2, 15-6
http://www.winthropeagles.com/default.as...aphy&id=10
I think the next coach will be Gregg Marshall from Winthrop.
(Just kidding. FireNancy, you can pull back out of your seizure now).
Thanks, Chatter, for putting that list together. I had done some similar research recently. Mark Sturgeon is an interesting name at Wichita State, but he sounds awfully committed to staying in Kansas. In the long run, though, the name out of that bunch that I like who would be a better fit here is Chris Lowery at S. Illinois. BTW, he's in his second year as head coach, not first.
Socko Wiethe Wrote:I think the next coach will be Gregg Marshall from Winthrop.
(Just kidding. FireNancy, you can pull back out of your seizure now).
Thanks, Chatter, for putting that list together. I had done some similar research recently. Mark Sturgeon is an interesting name at Wichita State, but he sounds awfully committed to staying in Kansas. In the long run, though, the name out of that bunch that I like who would be a better fit here is Chris Lowery at S. Illinois. BTW, he's in his second year as head coach, not first.
Second season is still not enough experience.
The Gumby doll or so other MAC coach
Posted this a while ago
seems now you folks are catching on.
My top 5 list
I did not list Skip or AK. I think AK is incomplete so far and if skip wants the job, he most likely would get it. In doing this I found there are many coaches capable. I like Jeff Capel, Scott Drew and some nice asst coaches, but we all can't make the top 5 can we?
1) Mick Cronin: Good recruiter, learned from some of the best coaches.Know the Ohio valley area coaches and AAU's coaches. Since mostly mid level players will be availabe to the new coach, Mick probably knows who'the best since those are one's he goes after now. ? Huggs connection
2) Karl Hobbs: Good recruiter, Can recruit international players which UC may have to do. Comes from a good school. Knows about BigEast teams. His teams are often the "giant slayers".?Could be a short stay, most likely Uconns next coach if calhoun don't get them on probation.
3) Bill Self: Not sure Why he's here, Seems to be a much better recruiter then coach but I think he's ripe for the picking. He needs a new start, Uc needs someone who can recruit fast.
?He has had some good assistant coaches, that may have been his secret.
4) Billy Gillispie: Knows how to rebuild programs fast. Could very well be the next big thing.- ?can rebuid, can he sustain?
5) Mark Fox: A bandwagon pick here,don't know much about him . His teams have been very good. Seems to be worth a look. ? Can he win with his own players?*
* recently he dropped from my list for someone else but I can't remember who. I hate getting old
b Wrote:2) Karl Hobbs: Good recruiter, Can recruit international players which UC may have to do. Comes from a good school. Knows about BigEast teams. His teams are often the "giant slayers".?Could be a short stay, most likely Uconns next coach if calhoun don't get them on probation.
I don't know why you think Hobbs would be a short stay. Calhoun is not leaving UCONN in the next 8-10 years. And while I admit it's highly doubtful our last coach turned down the opportunity to coach his alma mater. You never know.
Bearcattitude Wrote:By no means do I think all these guys could/would be candidates. I just looked at the teams with the best records in their conferences and ruled out coaches that would be taking a step down to come to UC. After reading many of these bio's, many of these guys are too young, in their first or second year of experience, or have only had a couple of good seasons............so you decide for yourself. My first choice would be to pay Mark Few 5 million dollars a year to come here ;-) but then we move on to Karl Hobbs and Mike Anderson. The MVC coaches - Altman and Greg McDermott (N. Iowa) are interesting too. Those guys are in a dogfight every year in their conference and are use to competition. Calipari's name will always be mentioned, but I think he likes playing in a conference where he's king of the hill rather than middle of the pack like he was when UC, Louisville, and Marquette were in CUSA. Look through these and see if there are any other good candidates.
Big Sky Conference - Northern Arizona University
Mike Adras - currently 9-1 (conf.) 17-7 overall
http://nau.newtier.com/modules.php?op=mo...d=1&coid=4
Atlantic-10 Conference - George Washington
Karl Hobbs - currently 9-0, 19-1
http://gwsports.collegesports.com/sports...arl00.html
Big West - Pacific University
Bob Thomason - currently 7-2, 17-6
http://pacifictigers.collegesports.com/s...bob00.html
Colonial Athletic - Hofstra University
Tom Pecora - currently 10-3, 17-4
http://www.hofstra.edu/Athletics/Mbasket..._coach.cfm
Conference USA - Memphis
John Calipari - currently ranked 3rd in the country, 7-0, 21-2
http://gotigersgo.collegesports.com/spor...ohn00.html
Conference USA - UAB
Mike Anderson - currently 6-2,16-5
http://uabsports.collegesports.com/sport...ike00.html
Conference USA - UTEP
Doc Sadler - currently 7-1, 14-6
http://www.utepathletics.com/ViewArticle...EASON=2005
Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference - Manhattan
Bobby Gonzalez - currently 11-3, 15-7
http://www.gojaspers.com/article.cfm?doc_id=36
MAAC - Iona
Jeff Ruland - currently 11-3, 17-5
http://www.iona.edu/gaels/coachesprofile.cfm?coachid=4
MAC - Akron
Keith Dambrot - currently 10-2, 17-5
http://gozips.collegesports.com/sports/m...ith00.html
MAC - Kent State University
Jim Christian - currently 10-2, 16-7
http://www.kentstatesports.com/index.php...icle_id=92
MAC - Ohio University
Tim O'Shea - currently 8-4, 14-6
http://ohiobobcats.collegesports.com/spo...tim00.html
MVC - Northern Iowa
Greg McDermott - currently ranked 25th in the country, 11-3, 21-4
http://unipanthers.collegesports.com/spo...reg00.html
MVC - Creighton University
Dana Altman - 11-3, 17-5
http://www.gocreighton.com/items_of_inte...?BiosID=68
MVC - Wichita State
Mark Turgeon - 10-4, 19-6
http://www.goshockers.com/m-basketball/coaches.aspx
MVC - Southern Illinois
Chris Lowery - 10-4, 17-7 (only his 2nd season)
http://siusalukis.collegesports.com/spor...ris00.html
PAC-10 - Washington
Lorenzo Romar
http://gohuskies.collegesports.com/sport...nzo00.html
SEC - Vanderbilt
Kevin Stalllings
http://vucommodores.com/sports/mbball/co...OACH_ID=70
West Coast Conf. - Gonzaga
Mark Few - ranked 5th in country, 9-0, 19-3
http://gozags.collegesports.com/sports/m...ark01.html
WAC - Nevada
Mark Fox - 8-3, 18-5
http://nevadawolfpack.collegesports.com/...ark00.html
Big South - Winthrop
Gregg Marshall - 9-2, 15-6
http://www.winthropeagles.com/default.as...aphy&id=10
If UC hired Mark Few, would he still be able to recruit those outstanding basketball recruits from Washington State?
Another interesting factoid that comes out of this search is that Lorenzo Romar actually has his degree from, of all places, UC.
The explanation: He did not finish before he went to the pros, and then he ended up leading the Athletes in Action program, which was based here in Cincinnati.
I don't think this makes a bit of difference in the long run, though.
b Wrote:Posted this a while ago
seems now you folks are catching on.
My top 5 list
I did not list Skip or AK. I think AK is incomplete so far and if skip wants the job, he most likely would get it. In doing this I found there are many coaches capable. I like Jeff Capel, Scott Drew and some nice asst coaches, but we all can't make the top 5 can we?
1) Mick Cronin: Good recruiter, learned from some of the best coaches.Know the Ohio valley area coaches and AAU's coaches. Since mostly mid level players will be availabe to the new coach, Mick probably knows who'the best since those are one's he goes after now. ? Huggs connection
2) Karl Hobbs: Good recruiter, Can recruit international players which UC may have to do. Comes from a good school. Knows about BigEast teams. His teams are often the "giant slayers".?Could be a short stay, most likely Uconns next coach if calhoun don't get them on probation.
3) Bill Self: Not sure Why he's here, Seems to be a much better recruiter then coach but I think he's ripe for the picking. He needs a new start, Uc needs someone who can recruit fast.
?He has had some good assistant coaches, that may have been his secret.
4) Billy Gillispie: Knows how to rebuild programs fast. Could very well be the next big thing.- ?can rebuid, can he sustain?
5) Mark Fox: A bandwagon pick here,don't know much about him . His teams have been very good. Seems to be worth a look. ? Can he win with his own players?*
* recently he dropped from my list for someone else but I can't remember who. I hate getting old
How many times can I say Mick Cronin is a really bad choice?
I'm not a big Mick Cronin fan either. What has he done? And a couple of seasons at Murray State prepares about as much as AK coaching one season in the ACTUAL Big East. I don't know why you continue to put his name down, b? I think you're losing it.
All of my first choices are not likely to come here. They are all coaches of very good programs.
Mike Anderson - but Oleskl says he's turned down better jobs.
Mark Few - never going to leave the West Coast
John Calipari - I'm really not that crazy about his game coaching, but he's a hell of recruiter - and I think he's comfy dominating a weak conference.
Karl Hobbs - I think he'd be a very good fit for UC. He's familiar with the Big East, good recruiter, and good coach, hard work ethic. I see Hobbs considering UC because of the Big East, before considering Mizzou.
Greg McDermott - proven success over the past 3 seasons........ready for a promotion, but most likely ends up at Iowa.
ok...your not getting Cal...we already pay him over 1.5 million plus Cal and Bobby are too good of friends for him to go to Cincy...plus i think andy kennedy deserves a shot...but besides him i would look at:
1) Mike Anderson - i don't think he's leaving UAB just yet.
2) Dana Altman - look at what he has built at creighton university...he would be a good pick-up.
3) Matt Doherty - way too good of a coach to be stuck at FAU.
good luck to you guys...and see you next season.
Go Tigers!!!
Drew
RealDeal Wrote:b Wrote:2) Karl Hobbs: Good recruiter, Can recruit international players which UC may have to do. Comes from a good school. Knows about BigEast teams. His teams are often the "giant slayers".?Could be a short stay, most likely Uconns next coach if calhoun don't get them on probation.
I don't know why you think Hobbs would be a short stay. Calhoun is not leaving UCONN in the next 8-10 years. And while I admit it's highly doubtful our last coach turned down the opportunity to coach his alma mater. You never know.
Colhoun is about as crooked as Jim Harrick. So things could get ugly in stors at a moments notice.
Quote:I'm not a big Mick Cronin fan either. What has he done? And a couple of seasons at Murray State prepares about as much as AK coaching one season in the ACTUAL Big East. I don't know why you continue to put his name down, b? I think you're losing it.
I've lost it a long time ago, you know that. If I were in charge of hiring the next coach I would consider him because:
1) He knows the area and could take back the Cincy recruits that XU seems to get now.
2) He is an outstanding recruiter. All due respect to AK, he has not got the type of kids Mick had gotten.
3) I don't believe that some hall of fame type coach is gonna come to UC and bring a ton of blue chips recruits with him. I'd bet Mick knows all the best unsigned mid level players around. Those are the ones who are gonna fill out UC's roster next year. where as some of these other guys may grab a derick holman type's because they don't follow these kids enough to know the difference.
4) x's and o wise he done better against Illionois then UC did in the tourney. For those who love recruiters he is proven.
I don't endorse him as the next coach but I would definately listen to his sales pitch. And on top of it all he is a legitmate candidate.
I'd like to see some of candidates you guys can put together that is realistic.
I'm in the camp that considers next season to be completely lost. Anyone that thinks a new coach can come in and salvage Spring recruiting, needs to check themselves. I'm looking at the 2007 recruiting class and hopefully retaining the kids we have.
Downey and Tilford is not a horrible guard combination. It lacks experience, but since the season is lost anyway........let them learn and grow together as a team. Herrera can have his growing pains. We could do worse than McGowan in the low post. Yes, it will be ugly.........but mostly due to depth and experience. So prepare to struggle through it and get some new players in here for '07. We might possibly have 7 to 10 scholarships to give depending on who stays.
So at this point, I'm not looking for someone to save next season........I'm looking for the whole package of good recruiter, good x's and o's coach that is up to the challenge and brings that blue collar approach we all love. That leads me to Karl Hobbs or Mike Anderson as my first choices. Hobbs is more familiar with Big East territory, so he should be our first choice.
[code:1]Downey and Tilford is not a horrible guard combination. It lacks experience, but since the season is lost anyway........let them learn and grow together as a team. Herrera can have [/code:1]
If Andy Kennedy is not the coach, it is most probable that Downey and Herrara will be taking their games to another school.
Bearcattitude Wrote:I'm in the camp that considers next season to be completely lost. Anyone that thinks a new coach can come in and salvage Spring recruiting, needs to check themselves. I'm looking at the 2007 recruiting class and hopefully retaining the kids we have.
Downey and Tilford is not a horrible guard combination. It lacks experience, but since the season is lost anyway........let them learn and grow together as a team. Herrera can have his growing pains. We could do worse than McGowan in the low post. Yes, it will be ugly.........but mostly due to depth and experience. So prepare to struggle through it and get some new players in here for '07. We might possibly have 7 to 10 scholarships to give depending on who stays.
I don't consider the season lost. Right now you have Downey, Tilford, McGowan and Herrera. We know what to expect of Downey and McGowan and we have an idea about what to expect out of Tilford. Herrera is a wild card but at the very least he's a 6'10 250 body. If we could get a couple under the radar JUCOs after the coach is signed. If the coach has a couple verbal commitments that he can bring over with him that would make it even better. I think if everything falls right we may be able to squeeze an NIT berth out of next season.
I feel the most sorry for Ced. If I were him.........I'd either transfer out, or if a good coach comes here.......I'd redshirt - sit out a year and play the following year with a better supporting cast. I'd hope for Herrera, Tilford and Downey to gain a year of experience and allow maybe some JUCO's to gain experience next season. Come back the following season with more experience around him.
Quote:So at this point, I'm not looking for someone to save next season........I'm looking for the whole package of good recruiter, good x's and o's coach that is up to the challenge and brings that blue collar approach we all love. That leads me to Karl Hobbs or Mike Anderson as my first choices. Hobbs is more familiar with Big East territory, so he should be our first choice.
You know what? It bothers me that people are now clammoring on to Hobbs. I mentioned him many times right after Huggs was just let go and only O would even respond while the rest seemed clueless throwing out names like Lavin and gillan
I think some people just look at the top 20 and see which program has less "tradition" then UC, then you start jumping on that coaches bandwagon thinking that the coach would be a fool not to jump to UC.
Next week, the rumors of Hobbs talking to UC officials will begin
At the end of the day that horsetooth ******* is running the show so getting the best person for the job is probably not her main objective.
[quote="b"][quote]So at this point, I'm not looking for someone to save next season........I'm looking for the whole package of good recruiter, good x's and o's coach that is up to the challenge and brings that blue collar approach we all love. That leads me to Karl Hobbs or Mike Anderson as my first choices. Hobbs is more familiar with Big East territory, so he should be our first choice.
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You know what? It bothers me that people are now clammoring on to Hobbs. I mentioned him many times right after Huggs was just let go and only O would even respond while the rest seemed clueless throwing out names like Lavin and gillan
I think some people just look at the top 20 and see which program has less "tradition" then UC, then you start jumping on that coaches bandwagon thinking that the coach would be a fool not to jump to UC.
Next week, the rumors of Hobbs talking to UC officials will begin
At the end of the day that horsetooth ******* is running the show so getting the best person for the job is probably not her main objective.
PS
Someone school me on Mike Anderson. He has some fans on this board. Why is he worthy of consideration.
So you're saying you're the Rodney Dangerfield of this board, huh? ;-) You get no respect.
Honestly, b............until this season, Hobbs won-lost record was mediocre.......but in fairness to him, he had to pick up the pieces of a decimated program and rebuild with new players. The culmination of all his hard work has shown through this year............and maybe 'til now, many people were still waiting to see better results.
Between seeing some of their games this year and reading quote from him and others about him..............he has just now peaked my interest. Plus, his UConn connection makes me aware of his familiarity with the Big East.
I think he's starting to look like the best candidate the more I learn about him.
Here's a Hobbs quote that explains why he's the best basketball coach candidate and a good academic basketball coach candidate to appease this administration:
Here's that Hobbs quote:
"When I talk to a kid, I tell them four things: Number one, you have to have a burning desire to graduate because you're not going to make it at GW (or UC) without that. You can slide through at some places but not here. Number two, you better have a burning desire to improve as a person and as a player. I don't want to coach knuckleheads. Number three, you better have a burning desire to win because I'm not trying to lose. I hate losing and my players know that when we lose I'm going to be miserable and if I'm miserable they're going to be miserable. And Number four, I want guys who have a burning desire to play in the NBA because if they have that, they're going to put in the extra time taking jumpers, they're going to take the extra time to shoot free throws after practice, they're going to take pride in their defense. If a guy has those four things, he can play for me. If he doesn't, it's not going to work."
That quote is one of the things about him that won me over.