If we had a healthy Kirkland all season, how many more wins do you think it would have amounted to?
This is just for fun. Don't give me that crap about, we don't have him so who cares.
He got hurt in the UConn game. All of our losses since them have been by a large margin except the Xavier game. I say we beat Xavier with Kirkland and probably win one more of our remaining 6 games, something like 4-2.
We would finish with 20 wins and none of this speculation would even be necessary. What a shame.
I'd say four SO FAR. No doubt in my mind we would have beaten Syracuse, Xavier, Lousiville (the first time), and West Virginia.
SU - He could have gaurded Mac, who was a big factor in SU's win. Also, the extra big body would have helped control the Orange's big rebounding advantage. Remember that game was close for a while, and at home. We wouldn't deflate so rapidly with an extra 30 minute body in there.
X - Need no explanation. Should have had the win without Kirk. With Kirk, we win easily.
Louisville - The Cards weren't playing their best that night (far from it). Not sure our team is as tenative or worried knowing Kirk is around. This is pure speculation.
WVU - One extra scorer would have helped us overcome an otherwise crappy performance. Injured James White was off that day, and Hicks couldn't do it on his own.
JMO...
Pretty fair assessment. We might have had a shot at WVU.
Amazing how pre-Uconn game Kirkland was considered a piece of worthless crap by all you people. Now suddenly we're 20-4 if he doesn't get hurt. I have been a Kirk supporter for 4 years, but you people flip flop opinions so fast my head is still spinning.
Lemmiwinks Wrote:I'd say four SO FAR. No doubt in my mind we would have beaten Syracuse, Xavier, Lousiville (the first time), and West Virginia.
SU - He could have gaurded Mac, who was a big factor in SU's win. Also, the extra big body would have helped control the Orange's big rebounding advantage. Remember that game was close for a while, and at home. We wouldn't deflate so rapidly with an extra 30 minute body in there.
X - Need no explanation. Should have had the win without Kirk. With Kirk, we win easily.
Louisville - The Cards weren't playing their best that night (far from it). Not sure our team is as tenative or worried knowing Kirk is around. This is pure speculation.
WVU - One extra scorer would have helped us overcome an otherwise crappy performance. Injured James White was off that day, and Hicks couldn't do it on his own.
JMO...
The hardest thing to gauge is whether or not his performance in the UConn game was a sign of more offense to come or not. If he was coming out of his slump to go on an offensive spurt.........his production would have opened things up for other guys. Plus, his defense made White's job easier. It is hard to call how many games we would have won. We might have even shocked UConn that night because we were within 3 or 4 points with 3 minutes left in the game. It's a reach, but you never know. UConn was coming off some losses and close games that had Calhoun acting like a madman and their players really questioning themselves. Might have been a very opportune time when that game was played.
Syracuse overwhelmed us, but true that Kirkland on McNamara might have forced a different outcome. But the final score says otherwise........depending on Kirk's offense.
I think we might have had a shot at West Virginia.
I don't know about Louisville, though. We just played all around horrible in that game.
Just like Jihad. Everyone rips on him, nut they dont realize how important he is to this team. He is really the only shooter we have and opens up things for Hicks.
nachoman91 Wrote:Amazing how pre-Uconn game Kirkland was considered a piece of worthless crap by all you people. Now suddenly we're 20-4 if he doesn't get hurt. I have been a Kirk supporter for 4 years, but you people flip flop opinions so fast my head is still spinning.
Don't lump all the bananas in one bunch pal
The thing that really bothers me is that we all know the Selection Committee takes injuries into consideration. The media focuses on Kirk's injury ever time they are on national television like we just lost Kenyon Freaking Martin.
My problem is that everyone makes it sound like we lost our best player on the roster. We didn't. We lost maybe our 5th most important player out of 8 guys. The fact that this roster is so thin makes it a big deal. Everyone points to our record since we lost Kirk. Look who we played since that time!!! We could have lost each of those games even with Kirk in the lineup. Most of them were against ranked teams on the road for crying out loud!
at #4 UCONN...likely loss (now #1)
#24 Syracuse...likely loss (now unranked)
at X...possible win but really who knows in the Shootout
at #23 Louisville ...likely loss (now unranked)
at #25 Georgetown...likely loss (now #16)
at #11 West Vrginia...likely loss (now #10)
Losing Kirk hurt. He may have helped us to one extra win thus far. Hope they keep that in the back of their mind when the committee meets.
Also, I think its funny that many of the guys who swear we would have won an extra 3 games were the same guys wanting Kirk benched 6 weeks ago because he sucked so bad. Just for fun we should pull up all of those threads. lmfao
I think we all realize how valuable Kirk is now. I think that's the spirit of this poll. It's hard to say if we lose to UCONN had Kirk not gotten hurt. WV, the only reason we were in that game is because they shot horrible the first half, and they had great, unguarded looks. GTown, loss no matter what. But I'm sure he could've made a huge difference in the losses to 'Ville and 'Cuse. Not saying we win those games, but they're not blowouts.
I agree. He would have been a huge help down the stretch. But I fear his only impact on those L's would be that a couple of them would not have been blowouts.
Heck, if he played we may have lost by 20 to X, lost to Rutgers and South Florida if we were to apply Nachoman's 4th dimension space time continuim theory. lmfao
http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/ph...ht=#120647
Rathskeller_Crew Wrote:the last post on this one is interesting lmfao :
http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/ph...t=kirkland
Hey, disregard my post in that thread!!!!! lmfao ;-)
Sometimes you don't know what you got 'til it's gone.
I had several games taped on my DVR (all erased now) that I watched after Kirk got hurt. I was wrong about him. As much as Hicks carried us offensively against Marquette, Kirk's defense on Novak helped win that game. I criticized him repeatedly.........but the thing that went the most down hill after Kirk got hurt was possibly the defense. Hicks and McGowan do a pretty good job inside for being undersized..........but we've really been burned by opponents guards and wingmen since Kirk went down. I also think Jihad was very comfortable with his role at the beginning of the season and that all changed when Kirk went down.
I really think we miss him defensively, and whether or not he was scoring, he had to be accounted for which helped open things up for others. And he quite possibly was in a slump early on. We will never know.
Glad you understood that that was just tongue in cheek, Chatter. Just having some fun.
Rathskeller_Crew Wrote:I agree. He would have been a huge help down the stretch. But I fear his only impact on those L's would be that a couple of them would not have been blowouts.
Heck, if he played we may have lost by 20 to X, lost to Rutgers and South Florida if we were to apply Nachoman's 4th dimension space time continuim theory. lmfao
http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/ph...ht=#120647
Great. We now have another archivalist on our hands! Hoops, Chatter, and B welcome you to their prestigious club.
Nice finds though.
Ziggy Stardust Wrote:Rathskeller_Crew Wrote:I agree. He would have been a huge help down the stretch. But I fear his only impact on those L's would be that a couple of them would not have been blowouts.
Heck, if he played we may have lost by 20 to X, lost to Rutgers and South Florida if we were to apply Nachoman's 4th dimension space time continuim theory. lmfao
http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/ph...ht=#120647
Great. We now have another archivalist on our hands! Hoops, Chatter, and B welcome you to their prestigious club. Nice finds though.
I only keep in mind the ones that make me laugh so hard I sonrt coffee through my nose. Speaking of which, I may need to dig up Radroby's Nobel Lauriate deserving post about not watching a minute of UC basketball and honestly not missing it at all. Now I don't care who you are...that is funny stuff.
Good thing my posts aren't memorable! I'm sure I've said some off the wall and contradictory nonsense. Probably while under alcohol's intoxicating influence. Speaking of which.... (Ziggy heads to the fridge).
Lemmiwinks Wrote:By the way:
Nachoman's Bearcatnews post about Kirkland (click)
Doesn't mean I am not a Kirk supporter. That was constructive criticism I was hoping his brother would pass along to him. I supported Bob Huggins but criticized him often also.
Same goes for AK. I support AK 100% but I sure wish he'd stop subbing for Hicks. Eric at half speed is still 200% better than anyone we can sub in for him. Let him play tired. Everytime we sub for Hicks the other team goes on an 8-0 run.
nachoman91 Wrote:Amazing how pre-Uconn game Kirkland was considered a piece of worthless crap by all you people. Now suddenly we're 20-4 if he doesn't get hurt. I have been a Kirk supporter for 4 years, but you people flip flop opinions so fast my head is still spinning.
Sometimes it is hard to guage how good a player is until they are not there any longer...