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Very nice read! It seems a Gay trade was inevitable after all this season. Good luck to Gay...hope he flourishes like Harden has in Houston.

Here's the quote I fully get now:

"They could lose Tony Allen to free agency and now have a $7,489,453 exception from Rudy Gay to replace him if he walks. They also have a $2,083,042 exception from Wayne Ellington in case Jerryd Bayless opts out and walks. Factor in that Memphis gets a full mid-level exception for being under the Luxury Tax and they have three real options to add this summer that they would not have had before these deals and the room under the Luxury Tax next year to use them."

(02-01-2013 04:22 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the quote I fully get now:

"They could lose Tony Allen to free agency and now have a $7,489,453 exception from Rudy Gay to replace him if he walks. They also have a $2,083,042 exception from Wayne Ellington in case Jerryd Bayless opts out and walks. Factor in that Memphis gets a full mid-level exception for being under the Luxury Tax and they have three real options to add this summer that they would not have had before these deals and the room under the Luxury Tax next year to use them."

Unless they trade Marc, Zach, Prince, DA, or Conley, I don't think they'll spend significant money.

ZR, MG, MC, TP, DA, ED, QP, & TW total up to almost $58 million in 2013-14. The cap has been $58 million the last three years.

The Grizzlies can re-sign Allen for whatever they want up to the max despite being at the cap because of Allen's Bird rights. But I think TA and Bayless will be gone (Bayless will probably decline his player option to become a free agent). TA will probably get a deal bigger than the $3.3. million he is making this year. I think the last five guys on the roster will be minimum contract guys to keep the payroll low.

Great read! Knowing now that Rudy wanted out, I'm not surprised. You could see it in his face after that stretch of poor games that the rumors were weighing on him, and the expectations for him to be the best player without giving him the opportunity to be (which I don't think he'd earned) had to be frustrating. While I think it possibly hurts us this year, it may very well set us up to bring in some good free agents next year if TA and JB walk, and ultimately make success more sustainable.

He's doing fine in Toronto playing alongside athletic players (especially athletic post players) and having a 2 guard who can actually score. This frees him up to be dynamic vs a static player. Afterall, this is a run&gun league where athletes prevail.... athletic players/teams give the grizz all kinds of fits....

he had a good game last night, but he didn't fit with the makeup of the grizz roster and was overpaid by a decent margin...it was either trade rudy and build around marc, zach and conley or trade everyone and build around rudy...

Great article

(02-01-2013 04:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2013 04:22 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the quote I fully get now:

"They could lose Tony Allen to free agency and now have a $7,489,453 exception from Rudy Gay to replace him if he walks. They also have a $2,083,042 exception from Wayne Ellington in case Jerryd Bayless opts out and walks. Factor in that Memphis gets a full mid-level exception for being under the Luxury Tax and they have three real options to add this summer that they would not have had before these deals and the room under the Luxury Tax next year to use them."

Unless they trade Marc, Zach, Prince, DA, or Conley, I don't think they'll spend significant money.

ZR, MG, MC, TP, DA, ED, QP, & TW total up to almost $58 million in 2013-14. The cap has been $58 million the last three years.

The Grizzlies can re-sign Allen for whatever they want up to the max despite being at the cap because of Allen's Bird rights. But I think TA and Bayless will be gone (Bayless will probably decline his player option to become a free agent). TA will probably get a deal bigger than the $3.3. million he is making this year. I think the last five guys on the roster will be minimum contract guys to keep the payroll low.

Everyone has an opinion, but I feel yours couldn't be more off on this. No way they don't try and sign TA for 6 or less. They'll keep Bayless too unless they feel they can do better. You're insane if you think they are going to tank the franchise and do minimum guys to run it cheap.

(02-03-2013 02:21 AM)Dak10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2013 04:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2013 04:22 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the quote I fully get now:

"They could lose Tony Allen to free agency and now have a $7,489,453 exception from Rudy Gay to replace him if he walks. They also have a $2,083,042 exception from Wayne Ellington in case Jerryd Bayless opts out and walks. Factor in that Memphis gets a full mid-level exception for being under the Luxury Tax and they have three real options to add this summer that they would not have had before these deals and the room under the Luxury Tax next year to use them."

Unless they trade Marc, Zach, Prince, DA, or Conley, I don't think they'll spend significant money.

ZR, MG, MC, TP, DA, ED, QP, & TW total up to almost $58 million in 2013-14. The cap has been $58 million the last three years.

The Grizzlies can re-sign Allen for whatever they want up to the max despite being at the cap because of Allen's Bird rights. But I think TA and Bayless will be gone (Bayless will probably decline his player option to become a free agent). TA will probably get a deal bigger than the $3.3. million he is making this year. I think the last five guys on the roster will be minimum contract guys to keep the payroll low.

Everyone has an opinion, but I feel yours couldn't be more off on this. No way they don't try and sign TA for 6 or less. They'll keep Bayless too unless they feel they can do better. You're insane if you think they are going to tank the franchise and do minimum guys to run it cheap.

How much do you think the ownership is willing to spend on payroll?

TA is getting re-signed

(02-03-2013 10:10 AM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2013 02:21 AM)Dak10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2013 04:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2013 04:22 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the quote I fully get now:

"They could lose Tony Allen to free agency and now have a $7,489,453 exception from Rudy Gay to replace him if he walks. They also have a $2,083,042 exception from Wayne Ellington in case Jerryd Bayless opts out and walks. Factor in that Memphis gets a full mid-level exception for being under the Luxury Tax and they have three real options to add this summer that they would not have had before these deals and the room under the Luxury Tax next year to use them."

Unless they trade Marc, Zach, Prince, DA, or Conley, I don't think they'll spend significant money.

ZR, MG, MC, TP, DA, ED, QP, & TW total up to almost $58 million in 2013-14. The cap has been $58 million the last three years.

The Grizzlies can re-sign Allen for whatever they want up to the max despite being at the cap because of Allen's Bird rights. But I think TA and Bayless will be gone (Bayless will probably decline his player option to become a free agent). TA will probably get a deal bigger than the $3.3. million he is making this year. I think the last five guys on the roster will be minimum contract guys to keep the payroll low.

Everyone has an opinion, but I feel yours couldn't be more off on this. No way they don't try and sign TA for 6 or less. They'll keep Bayless too unless they feel they can do better. You're insane if you think they are going to tank the franchise and do minimum guys to run it cheap.

How much do you think the ownership is willing to spend on payroll?

Up to .01 cents below tax level.

(02-03-2013 11:51 AM)Rob Wrote: [ -> ]TA is getting re-signed

Agreed...they had to reduce salary to keep TA.

Also, adding Prince also makes us MUCH stronger defensively....he's loooong wingspan will help on the perimeter.

Finally, Davis will be better defensively than Mo, and a big rotation with him and DA makes us young and athletic (dare I say potent?) inside on the 2nd unit. Ahmed, despite being a fan favorite, was not going to help us.

(02-03-2013 06:11 PM)Dak10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2013 10:10 AM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2013 02:21 AM)Dak10 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2013 04:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-01-2013 04:22 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the quote I fully get now:

"They could lose Tony Allen to free agency and now have a $7,489,453 exception from Rudy Gay to replace him if he walks. They also have a $2,083,042 exception from Wayne Ellington in case Jerryd Bayless opts out and walks. Factor in that Memphis gets a full mid-level exception for being under the Luxury Tax and they have three real options to add this summer that they would not have had before these deals and the room under the Luxury Tax next year to use them."

Unless they trade Marc, Zach, Prince, DA, or Conley, I don't think they'll spend significant money.

ZR, MG, MC, TP, DA, ED, QP, & TW total up to almost $58 million in 2013-14. The cap has been $58 million the last three years.

The Grizzlies can re-sign Allen for whatever they want up to the max despite being at the cap because of Allen's Bird rights. But I think TA and Bayless will be gone (Bayless will probably decline his player option to become a free agent). TA will probably get a deal bigger than the $3.3. million he is making this year. I think the last five guys on the roster will be minimum contract guys to keep the payroll low.

Everyone has an opinion, but I feel yours couldn't be more off on this. No way they don't try and sign TA for 6 or less. They'll keep Bayless too unless they feel they can do better. You're insane if you think they are going to tank the franchise and do minimum guys to run it cheap.

How much do you think the ownership is willing to spend on payroll?

Up to .01 cents below tax level.

I think within 2 years, the payroll will be below salary cap and consistently at that level.

(02-03-2013 06:54 PM)Merrick Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-03-2013 11:51 AM)Rob Wrote: [ -> ]TA is getting re-signed

Agreed...they had to reduce salary to keep TA.

Also, adding Prince also makes us MUCH stronger defensively....he's loooong wingspan will help on the perimeter.

Finally, Davis will be better defensively than Mo, and a big rotation with him and DA makes us young and athletic (dare I say potent?) inside on the 2nd unit. Ahmed, despite being a fan favorite, was not going to help us.

I'm so lost how a team that is holding opponents to below 90 points a game needs much defensive improvement.

You know who was young and athletic? Rudy Gay.

You know who's young and athletic...and isn't a good perimeter defender? Rudy Gay.

I notice you didn't comment on the other point, I.e. reducing current salaries will help us retain TA, and make other moves.

I'm NOT a Rudy basher...I would've been glad to keep him. But mixed in with monster slams are hosts of turnovers as he creates his own shot, and too many 3-17 type games. I'm more cognizant that the revised salary cap rules make it VERY difficult for small market teams to be over the cap repeatedly.

(02-03-2013 11:12 PM)Merrick Wrote: [ -> ]You know who's young and athletic...and isn't a good perimeter defender? Rudy Gay.

I notice you didn't comment on the other point, I.e. reducing current salaries will help us retain TA, and make other moves.

Zach Randolph and Darrell Arthur aren't great defenders either, but the team gets by.

Just like maximum salary earner Marc Gasol is inconsistent with his offense.

How much will Tony Allen be offered?

Three years ago, Boston offered him two years guaranteed for $6 million (with team option for year 3 I think). We offered him 3 years, and $9 million. Boston valued TA, and Boston fans loved TA. TA is considered the best perimeter defender in the NBA, and is credited with setting the tone for Grizzlies defense.

You don't think another team will pursue unrestricted free agent Tony Allen?

If the Grizzlies cannot sign TA for less than the $3 mill a year he makes a year now, I don't think the Grizzlies will re-sign him. I'm not saying it won't happen, but I think the ownership group will keep payroll as low as possible. It's a business plan that has been implemented before when a new owner with less money than the previous owner buys an NBA franchise.

It's the same reason that I think the ownership group will secretly try to move Zach Randolph.

Quote:I'm NOT a Rudy basher...I would've been glad to keep him. But mixed in with monster slams are hosts of turnovers as he creates his own shot, and too many 3-17 type games. I'm more cognizant that the revised salary cap rules make it VERY difficult for small market teams to be over the cap repeatedly.

Not over the cap... Over the luxury tax. I am not one to say that Rudy Gay should have never been traded. I just think they should have bit the bullet this year and paid the luxury tax. Obviously they couldn't afford it (and it's their money). I don't think anyone should buy into the spin that it would have been difficult to trade Rudy Gay this summer when teams knew the pressure was on the ownership. Teams knew the pressure was on the ownership this season and the offers were crappy.

The ownership group/team leadership are novices in basketball operations and they will be had by other teams for a while.

The team is still a playoff team, but we don't have the back-court depth and offensive potential that we had two and a half weeks ago.

I think they made a good point about Rudy's value.

Trading him now guarantees he will be at his new team for atleast 1.5 years.
Wait until after the season, it only guarantees him to be there for 1 year.

Especially if he were to say "well, I can't stop the trade, but there is no way I will resign when my contract expires".

Grizz would have lost leverage if they had waited.

(02-04-2013 10:33 AM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ]I think they made a good point about Rudy's value.

Trading him now guarantees he will be at his new team for atleast 1.5 years.
Wait until after the season, it only guarantees him to be there for 1 year.

Especially if he were to say "well, I can't stop the trade, but there is no way I will resign when my contract expires".

Grizz would have lost leverage if they had waited.

I think that argument is ridiculous.

You know why?

If Rudy were a free agent, would he get a maximum deal?

The answer is no. I think Rudy will not opt out of the last year of his contract and he'll do an extension for less money than he is making now. So that him playing an extra half a year with a team, IMO is bogus. If the team was going to get a small asset like Ed Davis (the centerpiece of the deal) for a potential All-Star quality small forward just because the player is radically overpaid, they would have done the deal in the off-season.

I don't think anyone believes Rudy is crazy enough to opt out of $19 million a year when he'll probably get about $10 million a year on the open market.

The Grizzlies lost their leverage when they didn't make it obvious they were willing to keep Rudy Gay.