Without saying it earlier this week, Bowlsby essentially said this: We're happy at 10 teams, but if the Big Ten moves to 16 by taking teams from the ACC, we're not standing still.
The most likely realignment scenario involves the Big Ten moving to 16 — sources tell Sporting News it's not if, but when — and the Big 12 setting its sights adding teams, perhaps Florida State and Clemson.
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(02-01-2013 12:56 PM)Villecard Wrote: [ -> ]Without saying it earlier this week, Bowlsby essentially said this: We're happy at 10 teams, but if the Big Ten moves to 16 by taking teams from the ACC, we're not standing still.
The most likely realignment scenario involves the Big Ten moving to 16 — sources tell Sporting News it's not if, but when — and the Big 12 setting its sights adding teams, perhaps Florida State and Clemson.
Check it out here
BOOM! In your face, Swofford and you ACC scum!
And the PAC12 is waiting to swoop in on Texas and Oklahoma.
If the Big 12 was truly in a position of power, they would be able to act (by taking who they want from the Acc) without waiting for the Big 10 or SEC to act first.
(02-01-2013 01:49 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2013 12:56 PM)Villecard Wrote: [ -> ]Without saying it earlier this week, Bowlsby essentially said this: We're happy at 10 teams, but if the Big Ten moves to 16 by taking teams from the ACC, we're not standing still.
The most likely realignment scenario involves the Big Ten moving to 16 — sources tell Sporting News it's not if, but when — and the Big 12 setting its sights adding teams, perhaps Florida State and Clemson.
Check it out here
BOOM! In your face, Swofford and you ACC scum!
Sure sounds a lot like Lando C. to me, "We've just made a deal that will keep the Empire out of here for a long time."
(02-01-2013 01:37 PM)Villecard Wrote: [ -> ]It seems that it is a forgone conclusion that if the B1G takes 2 from the ACC, the SEC, then Big 12 would follow. That very well could happen, but what if the ACC can regroup with the other 12 (with Louisville)? If the ACC television contract stayed the same, the team payout would be $20 million per team. Figure in ND's membership and that would increase a little. Thoughts?
Everyone forgets the Pac12 in expansion.
The food chain is: PAC/B10/SEC > ACC/B12 > BE/MWC > MAC/CUSA/Sun Belt, etc
Pac12 + 4 from B12= 16
B10 + 2 from ACC = 16
SEC + 2 from ACC = 16
B12 - 4 teams = 6 remaining
ACC - 4 teams = 10 remaining.
6 + 10 = 16 Simple.
I find these discussions humorous. Someone talks about possible B12 expansion, and all the former BEast fans about to join the ACC jump in with Texas is going to the Pac. The strongest defenders of ACC solidarity aren't even in the ACC yet...
(02-01-2013 01:59 PM)94panther Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2013 01:37 PM)Villecard Wrote: [ -> ]It seems that it is a forgone conclusion that if the B1G takes 2 from the ACC, the SEC, then Big 12 would follow. That very well could happen, but what if the ACC can regroup with the other 12 (with Louisville)? If the ACC television contract stayed the same, the team payout would be $20 million per team. Figure in ND's membership and that would increase a little. Thoughts?
Everyone forgets the Pac12 in expansion.
The food chain is: PAC/B10/SEC > ACC/B12 > BE/MWC > MAC/CUSA/Sun Belt, etc
Pac12 + 4 from B12= 16
B10 + 2 from ACC = 16
SEC + 2 from ACC = 16
B12 - 4 teams = 6 remaining
ACC - 4 teams = 10 remaining.
6 + 10 = 16 Simple.
Not so sure IF this happened that the ACC would want B12 leftovers Baylor, Iowa St., KSU or Kansas. Would probably take UConn & UC or KU KSU UC & UConn to go to 14 + ND. Or maybe back into Fla. with UCF & USF. It's all conjecture anyway, but it is entertaining to consider the possibilities.
(02-01-2013 02:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]I find these discussions humorous. Someone talks about possible B12 expansion, and all the former BEast fans about to join the ACC jump in with Texas is going to the Pac. The strongest defenders of ACC solidarity aren't even in the ACC yet...
It's not like this board is overflowing with fans of the original ACC schools. There's probably less than 15 fans that post here that root for the ACC schools currently in the conference and that's if you count the Florida Atlantic grads that supposedly root for FSU.
(02-01-2013 02:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]I find these discussions humorous. Someone talks about possible B12 expansion, and all the former BEast fans about to join the ACC jump in with Texas is going to the Pac. The strongest defenders of ACC solidarity aren't even in the ACC yet...
Yeah, it's about as funny as WVU fans knowing every conference invite 6 months before they're issued...
(02-01-2013 01:52 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: [ -> ]And the PAC12 is waiting to swoop in on Texas and Oklahoma.
- Texas isn't giving up their network
- They turned down OU without Texas
- At minimum the GOR is going to be expensive as hell to beat
So not happening anytime soon.
Also why do you wish destruction on the Big 12? Is "the dude" getting to you THAT much? Even if the PAC raided us it wouldn't change the equation for the Big Ten or SEC's expansion plans. KU and MAYBE WVU would be the only remaining teams with a shot at either and they'd be behind 3-4 schools.
(02-01-2013 01:54 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]If the Big 12 was truly in a position of power, they would be able to act (by taking who they want from the Acc) without waiting for the Big 10 or SEC to act first.
Agree. Not rich enough to do it without someone else striking first.
(02-01-2013 02:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]I find these discussions humorous. Someone talks about possible B12 expansion, and all the former BEast fans about to join the ACC jump in with Texas is going to the Pac. The strongest defenders of ACC solidarity aren't even in the ACC yet...
So true.
(02-01-2013 02:24 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2013 02:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]I find these discussions humorous. Someone talks about possible B12 expansion, and all the former BEast fans about to join the ACC jump in with Texas is going to the Pac. The strongest defenders of ACC solidarity aren't even in the ACC yet...
It's not like this board is overflowing with fans of the original ACC schools. There's probably less than 15 fans that post here that root for the ACC schools currently in the conference and that's if you count the Florida Atlantic grads that supposedly root for FSU.
And you probably still outnumber the B12 fans on the board...
(02-01-2013 01:59 PM)94panther Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2013 01:37 PM)Villecard Wrote: [ -> ]It seems that it is a forgone conclusion that if the B1G takes 2 from the ACC, the SEC, then Big 12 would follow. That very well could happen, but what if the ACC can regroup with the other 12 (with Louisville)? If the ACC television contract stayed the same, the team payout would be $20 million per team. Figure in ND's membership and that would increase a little. Thoughts?
Everyone forgets the Pac12 in expansion.
The food chain is: PAC/B10/SEC > ACC/B12 > BE/MWC > MAC/CUSA/Sun Belt, etc
Pac12 + 4 from B12= 16
B10 + 2 from ACC = 16
SEC + 2 from ACC = 16
B12 - 4 teams = 6 remaining
ACC - 4 teams = 10 remaining.
6 + 10 = 16 Simple.
1 correction: B10 + 2 from B12
(02-01-2013 02:48 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2013 01:59 PM)94panther Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2013 01:37 PM)Villecard Wrote: [ -> ]It seems that it is a forgone conclusion that if the B1G takes 2 from the ACC, the SEC, then Big 12 would follow. That very well could happen, but what if the ACC can regroup with the other 12 (with Louisville)? If the ACC television contract stayed the same, the team payout would be $20 million per team. Figure in ND's membership and that would increase a little. Thoughts?
Everyone forgets the Pac12 in expansion.
The food chain is: PAC/B10/SEC > ACC/B12 > BE/MWC > MAC/CUSA/Sun Belt, etc
Pac12 + 4 from B12= 16
B10 + 2 from ACC = 16
SEC + 2 from ACC = 16
B12 - 4 teams = 6 remaining
ACC - 4 teams = 10 remaining.
6 + 10 = 16 Simple.
1 correction: B10 + 2 from B12
Who? At most you get ONE longshot (KU) if Texoma goes west.... which also isn't happening.
KSU, ISU, BU, TCU, WVU... no shot at the B1G.
KU, KSU, TT & TCU to PAC
OU & TU to B1G
OSU & WVU to SEC
ISU & BU to BE
ND & UCONN to ACC
(02-01-2013 03:01 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: [ -> ]KU, KSU, TT & TCU to PAC
OU & TU to B1G
OSU & WVU to SEC
ISU & BU to BE
ND & UCONN to ACC
The PAC would stay at 12 before they'd take that group without UT or OU.
You have got to be kidding me... Texas AND OU find a way to seperate from their politically handcuffed brothers Tech and OSU? No way, not happening.
Texas and Tech mutually worked to stay together and would go west before they'd split up. Same with OU and OSU and this was repeatedly documented in both public reporting and private communications.
(02-01-2013 03:05 PM)S11 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2013 03:01 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: [ -> ]KU, KSU, TT & TCU to PAC
OU & TU to B1G
OSU & WVU to SEC
ISU & BU to BE
ND & UCONN to ACC
The PAC would stay at 12 before they'd take that group without UT or OU.
You have got to be kidding me... Texas AND OU find a way to seperate from their politically handcuffed brothers Tech and OSU? No way, not happening.
Texas and Tech mutually worked to stay together and would go west before they'd split up. Same with OU and OSU and this was repeatedly documented in both public reporting and private communications.
But you seem to believe that VT and VA will split or UNC and Duke.
(02-01-2013 03:05 PM)S11 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2013 03:01 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: [ -> ]KU, KSU, TT & TCU to PAC
OU & TU to B1G
OSU & WVU to SEC
ISU & BU to BE
ND & UCONN to ACC
The PAC would stay at 12 before they'd take that group without UT or OU.
You have got to be kidding me... Texas AND OU find a way to seperate from their politically handcuffed brothers Tech and OSU? No way, not happening.
Texas and Tech mutually worked to stay together and would go west before they'd split up. Same with OU and OSU and this was repeatedly documented in both public reporting and private communications.
But you seem to believe that VT and VA will split or UNC and Duke.
(02-01-2013 03:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2013 03:05 PM)S11 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2013 03:01 PM)curtis0620 Wrote: [ -> ]KU, KSU, TT & TCU to PAC
OU & TU to B1G
OSU & WVU to SEC
ISU & BU to BE
ND & UCONN to ACC
The PAC would stay at 12 before they'd take that group without UT or OU.
You have got to be kidding me... Texas AND OU find a way to seperate from their politically handcuffed brothers Tech and OSU? No way, not happening.
Texas and Tech mutually worked to stay together and would go west before they'd split up. Same with OU and OSU and this was repeatedly documented in both public reporting and private communications.
But you seem to believe that VT and VA will split or UNC and Duke.
1- I never said VT or UNC would be a first mover. I simply said they might move if other teams left. Even most of the ACC crowd here would agree that is possible if the right combo of teams left.
2- Duke is a private school with less probability of being tied together, VT was being kept out of the ACC by UVA before politics intervened. Very different situations. Also VT would have a stable home if things fell apart and Tech/OSU is not the same situation remotely. If VT went to the SEC and UVA went to the B1G there may not be any political will to tether them together.
3- It's an unknown how tied UVA is to VT or how tied UNC is to other NC schools in the ACC. Could go either way.
However it is thoroughly documented that UT and TT will work to stay together and OU/OSU will do the same due to public and private communications involving each during the 2010 and 2011 summers.
VT is pretty tied to the North Carolina schools even without UVa. That's one of the reasons the ACC doesn't use North/South Divisions.