If the Big East Conference has the following 12 schools as members. It would give the Big East a good foundation to build on for the future.
Then the BE needs to negotiate a decent new TV contract and the Big East should be fairly stable for a few years or until the Big 10 expands again and all the raiding starts all over again.
New Big East All Sports Conference:
West Div.: Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Memphis, Cincinnati.
East Div.: UConn, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF.
This would be a very decent football and basketball conference. I think a number of other Big East fans agree this would be a good place to start to build a solid base.
If somebody leaves, the Big East would still have some good schools to add.( S. Miss., Rice, UMass, N. Illinois etc: )
Mr.P.3242
navy not joining for allsports
theyre staying in the patriot league for nonfootball
(01-22-2013 12:21 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ]navy not joining for allsports
theyre staying in the patriot league for nonfootball
If Asked, they might change their mind. If not we can go with 11BB schools. Mr.P.3242
(01-22-2013 12:33 PM)MrP3242 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2013 12:21 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ]navy not joining for allsports
theyre staying in the patriot league for nonfootball
If Asked, they might change their mind.
bad idea for navy
bad idea for big east
Quote:If not we can go with 11BB schools. Mr.P.3242
better yet stay with 10bb schools
if youre going from 10 to 11 you need somebody who will add 10% to the total deal
nothing against tulsa but they don't increase the total deal by 10%
nobody in conf-usa does
(01-22-2013 12:10 PM)MrP3242 Wrote: [ -> ]If the Big East Conference has the following 12 schools as members. It would give the Big East a good foundation to build on for the future.
Then the BE needs to negotiate a decent new TV contract and the Big East should be fairly stable for a few years or until the Big 10 expands again and all the raiding starts all over again.
New Big East All Sports Conference:
West Div.: Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Memphis, Cincinnati.
East Div.: UConn, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF.
This would be a very decent football and basketball conference. I think a number of other Big East fans agree this would be a good place to start to build a solid base.
If somebody leaves, the Big East would still have some good schools to add.( S. Miss., Rice, UMass, N. Illinois etc: )
Mr.P.3242
Agreed.
No need to over analyze it.
That's the framework to work from, and it's merely a tweak from what's currently in place for the future.
(01-22-2013 12:58 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2013 12:33 PM)MrP3242 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2013 12:21 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ]navy not joining for allsports
theyre staying in the patriot league for nonfootball
If Asked, they might change their mind.
bad idea for navy
bad idea for big east
Quote:If not we can go with 11BB schools. Mr.P.3242
better yet stay with 10bb schools
if youre going from 10 to 11 you need somebody who will add 10% to the total deal
nothing against tulsa but they don't increase the total deal by 10%
nobody in conf-usa does
Cardiff: I'd like to see the Big East expand to 12 schools and hold a CCG. Obviously I like Tulsa.Mr.P.3242
repeating my basic idea
Quote:if youre going from 10 to 11 you need somebody who will add 10% to the total deal
nothing against tulsa but they don't increase the total deal by 10%
nobody in conf-usa does
you didnt really dispute that
Mr.P.3242 Wrote:I'd like to see the Big East expand to 12 schools and hold a CCG.
why's that?
Quote:Obviously I like Tulsa.
cool
Refusing to add teams unless they immediately add value to the TV contract is what got the Big East into this mess. It's short sighted and keeps the conference in a vulnerable state. Right now the Big East needs to focus on establishing itself as the #6 conference.
I've been going back and forth on Tulsa, but right now I'm thinking that having Houston, SMU, and Tulsa on board will secure the southwest as Big East territory and keep the MWC locked in the Rockies. That gives the Big East far superior markets and recruiting ground and will ensure our position at the top of the GoF for the long term.
I second MrP3242's motion. Add Tulsa for all sports and bring in ECU and Navy Olympic sports. You've got a solid 12 team all sports conference with some very good football, basketball, markets, and academics. Especially in comparison to the rest of the GoF.
(01-22-2013 01:12 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ]repeating my basic idea
Quote:if youre going from 10 to 11 you need somebody who will add 10% to the total deal
nothing against tulsa but they don't increase the total deal by 10%
nobody in conf-usa does
you didnt really dispute that
Mr.P.3242 Wrote:I'd like to see the Big East expand to 12 schools and hold a CCG.
why's that?
Quote:Obviously I like Tulsa.
cool
CCG: Football Conference Championship Game> Plus it might bring in a few more dollars in TV revenue. Mr.P.3242
(01-22-2013 01:46 PM)MrP3242 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2013 01:12 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ]repeating my basic idea
Quote:if youre going from 10 to 11 you need somebody who will add 10% to the total deal
nothing against tulsa but they don't increase the total deal by 10%
nobody in conf-usa does
you didnt really dispute that
Mr.P.3242 Wrote:I'd like to see the Big East expand to 12 schools and hold a CCG.
why's that?
Quote:Obviously I like Tulsa.
cool
CCG: Football Conference Championship Game> Plus it might bring in a few more dollars in TV revenue. Mr.P.3242
Cardiff: I think adding Tulsa, so we can hold a football conf. CCG. would bring the conf. a 10% increase in revenue or more. I realize it's an opinion. We won't know until a new TV contract is negotiated, but the CCG could bring in some decent revenue. The BE can't hold a CCG unless we have 12 football schools. The networks will pay extra for the CCG. Mr.P.3242
(01-22-2013 12:58 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ]nothing against tulsa but they don't increase the total deal by 10%
nobody in conf-usa does
You don't know this, you're speculating.
(01-22-2013 01:59 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2013 12:58 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ]nothing against tulsa but they don't increase the total deal by 10%
nobody in conf-usa does
You don't know this, you're speculating.
I know the CCG will bring in additional revenue, but yes I'm speculating on how much. The CCG also gives the Big East additional exposure on national TV. At this point who knows what the TV networks are going to offer the Big East. I don't believe the BE would try and expand to 12 schools unless there was a financial benefit for all the schools. Mr.P.3242
(01-22-2013 01:45 PM)MechaKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Refusing to add teams unless they immediately add value to the TV contract is what got the Big East into this mess. It's short sighted and keeps the conference in a vulnerable state. Right now the Big East needs to focus on establishing itself as the #6 conference.
Actually, I'd say being the #6 conference - with the most valuable of remaining programs and markets is why the Big East is into this mess. Constantly at threat of being poached --they've been a product of, not a symptom causing and will likely always be in flux if changes are made above them.
(01-22-2013 02:34 PM)IceJus10 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2013 01:45 PM)MechaKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Refusing to add teams unless they immediately add value to the TV contract is what got the Big East into this mess. It's short sighted and keeps the conference in a vulnerable state. Right now the Big East needs to focus on establishing itself as the #6 conference.
Actually, I'd say being the #6 conference - with the most valuable of remaining programs and markets is why the Big East is into this mess. Constantly at threat of being poached --they've been a product of, not a symptom causing and will likely always be in flux if changes are made above them.
Being in a member of a conference with programs that are successful enough to be of value to other conferences is good. In all of the shuffling around, it's easy to lose sight of that.
The chances of the SBC being as attractive as CUSA are small, just like the chances of the BE being as attractive as the ACC, and the same for ACC compared to B1G.
I know certain posters don't like former members to talk shop about conference re-alignment and what not, but here is what I would consider in order to gain stability amongst the conference as well in obtaining a TV deal.
I think the Big East football schools should go to a 10/12 format and call it a day. Take a look at a map and draw a V line from Florida to Texas and again from Florida to Connecticut, and there is your geographical boundaries. Throw in Navy and Army as your 11th and 12th teams for football, and everyone else as allsports.
SouthWest Division
Cincinnati, South Florida, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane
NorthEast Division
UConn, Temple, Army*, Navy*, East Carolina, Central Florida
It is to hard to split teams evenly so everyone has trips to Florida and Texas, and this IMO made more sense. Each division has rivalries, and pretty much geographically in place for fan travel. Every sport besides football will play in a 10 team all sport league with no division so that way they can have round robin match ups.
Not sure they will be able to pull anyone else to bring more dollars so go with what you have. This line up is very sell-able for you have UConn, Cincy, Temple, Memphis, Houston in basketball that should sell, as well as football you have Cincy, UConn, Navy, Army, USF, UCF, ECU, Houston that are all attractive match ups that should sell.
The rivalries in this line up are pretty nice. UCF-USF, Houston-SMU, Cincy-Memphis, Navy-Army, ECU-Navy, UConn-Temple. As you can see this is a decent line up, and one that could stick around especially if the realignment comes to a hault which possibly might or might not depending on who you listen to. Just my thoughts.
(01-22-2013 12:58 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2013 12:33 PM)MrP3242 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2013 12:21 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ]navy not joining for allsports
theyre staying in the patriot league for nonfootball
If Asked, they might change their mind.
bad idea for navy
bad idea for big east
Quote:If not we can go with 11BB schools. Mr.P.3242
better yet stay with 10bb schools
if youre going from 10 to 11 you need somebody who will add 10% to the total deal
nothing against tulsa but they don't increase the total deal by 10%
nobody in conf-usa does
How the **** do you know this? I love these definitive kind of statements, they always make me laugh.
(01-22-2013 01:01 PM)TonyTiger Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2013 12:21 PM)Cardiff Wrote: [ -> ]navy not joining for allsports
theyre staying in the patriot league for nonfootball
I would speculate ... "Navy for Football and UMass for Olympic Sports."
That's not an option. NCAA won't let an FBS school place their olympic sports in a conference that plays FBS football.
when your tv contract is 2 to 3 million, not splitting the pie up with no more expansion is short sighted.
other revenue sorces come in to play.
CCG
Travell
atten
Bowls
BB credits
BB tourn
inventory