curious to learn what everyones overall opinionis on the c7 split. favorable, unfavorable or just accepting?
I would have preffered the BE have remained together (cuse, pitt, nd ville etc) but that isnt happening.
I am in favor of the split. i dont mean this as a slight to anyone, but im more intersted in being associated with schools such as xavier and creighton than the fb focused schools coming aboard next year.
I'm favorable. I was jumping up and down and ranting when the BE brought in Memphis and Temple, that we were handing over our leverage and control of our fate. (I didn't know about the PRe-Nup.)
I'm favorable. Notre Dame and Louisville leaving were the last straws. Before they left, it was still better for the C7 to stick with the hybrid. When Louisville took off, though, the C7 was better off leaving as a group. The few advantages of having a hybrid were completely eradicated at that point, so there was little reason to keep being subjected to FBS football moves when none of the C7 played FBS football. Look at the complete change in perception: the Big East is subject to the whims of the Big Ten/ACC/etc., while the C7 actually is the aggressor in its realm of non-FBS basketball conferences. Having control of your own destiny is as big of a factor as anything else in conference realignment.
I'm still skeptical. We are losing by doing this 4 pretty good teams in Cincy, UConn, Memphis, and Temple.
(01-21-2013 12:36 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still skeptical. We are losing by doing this 4 pretty good teams in Cincy, UConn, Memphis, and Temple.
But also losing the rest. OVer on the Big East board, the consensus is sagely nodding to each other, "Yes, U of Tulsa is a good solid addition."
Don't forget UConn and Cincy will not be long term members of the nBE. With that said the top two teams will be Memphis (former C-USA) and Temple (for A-10)
(01-21-2013 12:36 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still skeptical. We are losing by doing this 4 pretty good teams in Cincy, UConn, Memphis, and Temple.
I'd much rather be associated with Butler, Xavier and Creighton than Temple and Memphis.
It made sense when it was northeastern football schools aligned with northeastern BBall only schools. But with the football schools gone, on their way out or begging to get out, it just doesn't make as much sense anymore. The future would be northern Bball schools and southern football schools (with little to no history). With each change, the TV deal has dropped and the travel expense has increased. For me Louisville leaving was the last staw. Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis and Temple would make a nice core of basketball schools but you just can't include Cincinnati or UConn in any future planning because they probably won't be around. Why hang around to hand them their coats on their way out the door? We could be a few years into developing our own league.
From a Bball perspective, the first ACC raid (2003) was meaningless, but this round has been brutal.
(01-21-2013 12:27 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I'm favorable. Notre Dame and Louisville leaving were the last straws. Before they left, it was still better for the C7 to stick with the hybrid. When Louisville took off, though, the C7 was better off leaving as a group. The few advantages of having a hybrid were completely eradicated at that point, so there was little reason to keep being subjected to FBS football moves when none of the C7 played FBS football. Look at the complete change in perception: the Big East is subject to the whims of the Big Ten/ACC/etc., while the C7 actually is the aggressor in its realm of non-FBS basketball conferences. Having control of your own destiny is as big of a factor as anything else in conference realignment.
Perfectly stated. My thoughts exactly.
(01-21-2013 03:34 PM)RDinNY Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2013 12:27 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I'm favorable. Notre Dame and Louisville leaving were the last straws. Before they left, it was still better for the C7 to stick with the hybrid. When Louisville took off, though, the C7 was better off leaving as a group. The few advantages of having a hybrid were completely eradicated at that point, so there was little reason to keep being subjected to FBS football moves when none of the C7 played FBS football. Look at the complete change in perception: the Big East is subject to the whims of the Big Ten/ACC/etc., while the C7 actually is the aggressor in its realm of non-FBS basketball conferences. Having control of your own destiny is as big of a factor as anything else in conference realignment.
Perfectly stated. My thoughts exactly.
The split was inevitable. As much as we're going to miss Uconn and Cincy, losing Syracuse, Notre Dame, Pttsburgh and now Louisville left the 7 schools no choice. Playing Georgetown, Villanova, hopefully Butler, Xavier and the others certainly is a better scenario than ECU, Tulane, SMU, UCF, etc. That said, I'm hoping something starts to take shape soon.
(01-21-2013 03:34 PM)RDinNY Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2013 12:27 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]I'm favorable. Notre Dame and Louisville leaving were the last straws. Before they left, it was still better for the C7 to stick with the hybrid. When Louisville took off, though, the C7 was better off leaving as a group. The few advantages of having a hybrid were completely eradicated at that point, so there was little reason to keep being subjected to FBS football moves when none of the C7 played FBS football. Look at the complete change in perception: the Big East is subject to the whims of the Big Ten/ACC/etc., while the C7 actually is the aggressor in its realm of non-FBS basketball conferences. Having control of your own destiny is as big of a factor as anything else in conference realignment.
Perfectly stated. My thoughts exactly.
(01-21-2013 12:36 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still skeptical. We are losing by doing this 4 pretty good teams in Cincy, UConn, Memphis, and Temple.
We gain (hopefully) gain Butler, Dayton, Xavier, Creighton and this will be a "Basketball centric" league which I prefer. No more playing second fiddle to Football.
Also Cincy and UConn are just waiting till they get an invite to either the B1G, ACC and even the Big XII. Why stick around knowing that they've publicly made it known that they are looking for an out?
(01-21-2013 12:36 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still skeptical. We are losing by doing this 4 pretty good teams in Cincy, UConn, Memphis, and Temple.
FOX is willing to bet $500 million on the new group. That says a lot. With a competitive tv payout, solid fan bases, and rich basketball tradition, the members should be able to compete for the recruits and coaches to be a national player.
From the outside looking in, I like the split. All the schools are going to be fairly like-minded in their approaches. The schools will probably make more money per year than they would in the Big East. They don't have to cart their non-revenue sports to the deep south, which will also save money.