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You are wasting your time expounding on the "greatness" of Wichita state. They aren't being invited. EVER.

(01-20-2013 06:29 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but no one, not the media, not the fans, not the tv partners. not the c7 presidents want or are considering Wichita State. Seriously, not trying to crush your hopes and dreams but there is less than zero chance that happens. Frankly, they haven't earned a right to really even be considered.

I am not a Wichita State fan. I look at the strength of the school across multiple programs, its position in Kansas and its rivalry with Creighton and conclude we would be mistaken not to take them. If we prioritize like schools over strong athletic programs and ignore VCU and Wichita State we do so at our own peril.

BTW, this group of Presidents haven't exactly excelled in strategic conference realignment. They F'd up the big east expansion completely so excuse me if I am nervous.

(01-20-2013 06:29 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but no one, not the media, not the fans, not the tv partners. not the c7 presidents want or are considering Wichita State. Seriously, not trying to crush your hopes and dreams but there is less than zero chance that happens. Frankly, they haven't earned a right to really even be considered.

While I appreciate your frankness, your posts bothers me on a couple levels.

The discussion surrounding Wichita State has always been where they are in relation to the other teams being added. No one has said we are currently in consideration, and I think the common feedback has been the new league going with 10-12 and the possibility of us would be IF they go to 14 or 16, and Wichita State would have the opportunity to perform at a high level until then.

As far as earning it, many C7 people have pointed out that our program history overall and especially recently is every bit as deserving as SLU or Dayton. We are not a Catholic Institution, nor are we on the east coast, or in a "Major" media market. Those are our strikes.

But to be frank, you seem to have an agenda, and I would love to know why you joined and made your first post solely about not "crushing our hopes and dreams", and why is it so important to you?

(01-20-2013 06:56 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 06:29 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but no one, not the media, not the fans, not the tv partners. not the c7 presidents want or are considering Wichita State. Seriously, not trying to crush your hopes and dreams but there is less than zero chance that happens. Frankly, they haven't earned a right to really even be considered.

While I appreciate your frankness, your posts bothers me on a couple levels.

The discussion surrounding Wichita State has always been where they are in relation to the other teams being added. No one has said we are currently in consideration, and I think the common feedback has been the new league going with 10-12 and the possibility of us would be IF they go to 14 or 16, and Wichita State would have the opportunity to perform at a high level until then.

As far as earning it, many C7 people have pointed out that our program history overall and especially recently is every bit as deserving as SLU or Dayton. We are not a Catholic Institution, nor are we on the east coast, or in a "Major" media market. Those are our strikes.

But to be frank, you seem to have an agenda, and I would love to know why you joined and made your first post solely about not "crushing our hopes and dreams", and why is it so important to you?

I've been reading this board, the big east board, and the realignment board for a long time. I have no agenda other than to put together the best teams for the league. Even if it goes to 14, Wichita wont be one of them. You are the one with the obvious agenda as you openly admit you are a Wichita fan. I was just tired of reading pointless posts when anyone outside of you haven't even given Wichita a thought as a possibility. Also, SLU and Dayton bring much more to the table than Wichita. All the strikes you mentioned above plus many others deal a fatal blow to your schools chances of joining. If the league goes beyond 12 its going to be for west coast schools to include gonzaga. You are having a good season and seem to be a solid program, but its simply not enough for you to be considered. Sorry, these aren't just my thoughts, it's the common feeling among anyone who knows anything about realignment. Not.going.to.happen.
Save your time on deciding who will replace Creighton.

(01-20-2013 07:08 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 06:56 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 06:29 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but no one, not the media, not the fans, not the tv partners. not the c7 presidents want or are considering Wichita State. Seriously, not trying to crush your hopes and dreams but there is less than zero chance that happens. Frankly, they haven't earned a right to really even be considered.

While I appreciate your frankness, your posts bothers me on a couple levels.

The discussion surrounding Wichita State has always been where they are in relation to the other teams being added. No one has said we are currently in consideration, and I think the common feedback has been the new league going with 10-12 and the possibility of us would be IF they go to 14 or 16, and Wichita State would have the opportunity to perform at a high level until then.

As far as earning it, many C7 people have pointed out that our program history overall and especially recently is every bit as deserving as SLU or Dayton. We are not a Catholic Institution, nor are we on the east coast, or in a "Major" media market. Those are our strikes.

But to be frank, you seem to have an agenda, and I would love to know why you joined and made your first post solely about not "crushing our hopes and dreams", and why is it so important to you?

I've been reading this board, the big east board, and the realignment board for a long time. I have no agenda other than to put together the best teams for the league. Even if it goes to 14, Wichita wont be one of them. You are the one with the obvious agenda as you openly admit you are a Wichita fan. I was just tired of reading pointless posts when anyone outside of you haven't even given Wichita a thought as a possibility. Also, SLU and Dayton bring much more to the table than Wichita. All the strikes you mentioned above plus many others deal a fatal blow to your schools chances of joining. If the league goes beyond 12 its going to be for west coast schools to include gonzaga. You are having a good season and seem to be a solid program, but its simply not enough for you to be considered. Sorry, these aren't just my thoughts, it's the common feeling among anyone who knows anything about realignment. Not.going.to.happen.
Save your time on deciding who will replace Creighton.

I appreciate your candor. There was a lot of talk on this and other boards about who might be invited. They used a number of different comparisons. I asked, in a PM to the Mod, about WSU and it was suggested it go out to the main board. So it has been. As far as anyone who knows anything, I don't believe anyone outside the 7 presidents and Fox have any CLUE what is going to happen.

Again, Wichita State was only here as a point of reference to the other schools in consideration, most of which we compare to well. You again state SLI and Dayton bring a lot more to the table. I am curious what information you are basing that on? If you read these threads as you state, you will find us near the top of almost every category.

I am frankly not really worried about who replaces Creighton. No matter who it is, it will be a huge step down, and I expect we would not be far behind leaving the Valley.

(01-20-2013 06:54 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]You are wasting your time expounding on the "greatness" of Wichita state. They aren't being invited. EVER.

I understand the sentiment. But you can't say that Wichita State won't be invited "just because."

Right now, Wichita State is unlikely to be invited because they don't have enough basketball history or the money to override the problems with geography and institutional fit.

If that changes, they might be worth considering. Are you saying they wouldn't be worth considering if they won a national title? Not that I think that would happen, but it is an exception to your rule. Again, the key thing is that I think Wichita State should be a candidate, if they are good enough at basketball to override other concerns.

I've stated several times now that I honestly do not think Wichita State should be a first-round invitation to the league. In fact, I really think it is hard to argue for more than a MAX of 11 teams (without Gonzaga), though that doesn't seem likely. I think the league would be better off taking several hot-ticket teams now and then waiting and taking teams that become worthwhile.

(01-20-2013 07:08 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 06:56 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 06:29 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but no one, not the media, not the fans, not the tv partners. not the c7 presidents want or are considering Wichita State. Seriously, not trying to crush your hopes and dreams but there is less than zero chance that happens. Frankly, they haven't earned a right to really even be considered.

While I appreciate your frankness, your posts bothers me on a couple levels.

The discussion surrounding Wichita State has always been where they are in relation to the other teams being added. No one has said we are currently in consideration, and I think the common feedback has been the new league going with 10-12 and the possibility of us would be IF they go to 14 or 16, and Wichita State would have the opportunity to perform at a high level until then.

As far as earning it, many C7 people have pointed out that our program history overall and especially recently is every bit as deserving as SLU or Dayton. We are not a Catholic Institution, nor are we on the east coast, or in a "Major" media market. Those are our strikes.

But to be frank, you seem to have an agenda, and I would love to know why you joined and made your first post solely about not "crushing our hopes and dreams", and why is it so important to you?

I've been reading this board, the big east board, and the realignment board for a long time. I have no agenda other than to put together the best teams for the league. Even if it goes to 14, Wichita wont be one of them. You are the one with the obvious agenda as you openly admit you are a Wichita fan. I was just tired of reading pointless posts when anyone outside of you haven't even given Wichita a thought as a possibility. Also, SLU and Dayton bring much more to the table than Wichita. All the strikes you mentioned above plus many others deal a fatal blow to your schools chances of joining. If the league goes beyond 12 its going to be for west coast schools to include gonzaga. You are having a good season and seem to be a solid program, but its simply not enough for you to be considered. Sorry, these aren't just my thoughts, it's the common feeling among anyone who knows anything about realignment. Not.going.to.happen.
Save your time on deciding who will replace Creighton.

So it is not just the Wichita State fan who support Wichita. I follow Fresno and have kids playing college sports at Butler and Pacific. I understand the impact of travel because I know how my kids have to deal with taking classes like O-Chem missing the first 3 classes of the year.

Gonzaga is not feasible with the travel differences. The travel to Wichita State is completely reasonable given Creighton being a strong add. Wichita State is a better all around program than Xavier. They may not chose them because of institutional fit but your comments are rude and show a lack of understanding about college athletics.

Wichita State isn't happening, and I would vote "No" to Wichita as No. 12.

I also asked him to post on the board about whether WSU would be a good candidate, because it seemed like a good discussion.

Xbus doesn't like the discussion, that's entirely fair. Start a new one.

(01-20-2013 07:52 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 06:54 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]You are wasting your time expounding on the "greatness" of Wichita state. They aren't being invited. EVER.

I understand the sentiment. But you can't say that Wichita State won't be invited "just because."

Right now, Wichita State is unlikely to be invited because they don't have enough basketball history or the money to override the problems with geography and institutional fit.

If that changes, they might be worth considering. Are you saying they wouldn't be worth considering if they won a national title? Not that I think that would happen, but it is an exception to your rule. Again, the key thing is that I think Wichita State should be a candidate, if they are good enough at basketball to override other concerns.

I've stated several times now that I honestly do not think Wichita State should be a first-round invitation to the league. In fact, I really think it is hard to argue for more than a MAX of 11 teams (without Gonzaga), though that doesn't seem likely. I think the league would be better off taking several hot-ticket teams now and then waiting and taking teams that become worthwhile.

I understand your argument but I think you are being far too conservative. Also you can't assume that a team like Wichita State if they get good would automatically be available for the C-7. Conceivably they could be added by the MWC.

Wichita State has a couple things very positive. They have a good young coach, they have a rivalry with Creighton which is valuable to TV, and they have good other sports. If they were a private Catholic school they would be in for sure. The league Presidents have a clear bias given the Tulane invite. They need to listen to their AD's and get strong athletic programs.

(01-20-2013 07:58 PM)Sactowndog Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 07:08 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 06:56 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Xbus' pid='8863097' dateline='1358724587']
I'm sorry, but no one, not the media, not the fans, not the tv partners. not the c7 presidents want or are considering Wichita State. Seriously, not trying to crush your hopes and dreams but there is less than zero chance that happens. Frankly, they haven't earned a right to really even be considered.

While I appreciate your frankness, your posts bothers me on a couple levels.

The discussion surrounding Wichita State has always been where they are in relation to the other teams being added. No one has said we are currently in consideration, and I think the common feedback has been the new league going with 10-12 and the possibility of us would be IF they go to 14 or 16, and Wichita State would have the opportunity to perform at a high level until then.

As far as earning it, many C7 people have pointed out that our program history overall and especially recently is every bit as deserving as SLU or Dayton. We are not a Catholic Institution, nor are we on the east coast, or in a "Major" media market. Those are our strikes.

But to be frank, you seem to have an agenda, and I would love to know why you joined and made your first post solely about not "crushing our hopes and dreams", and why is it so important to you?

I've been reading this board, the big east board, and the realignment board for a long time. I have no agenda other than to put together the best teams for the league. Even if it goes to 14, Wichita wont be one of them. You are the one with the obvious agenda as you openly admit you are a Wichita fan. I was just tired of reading pointless posts when anyone outside of you haven't even given Wichita a thought as a possibility. Also, SLU and Dayton bring much more to the table than Wichita. All the strikes you mentioned above plus many others deal a fatal blow to your schools chances of joining. If the league goes beyond 12 its going to be for west coast schools to include gonzaga. You are having a good season and seem to be a solid program, but its simply not enough for you to be considered. Sorry, these aren't just my thoughts, it's the common feeling among anyone who knows anything about realignment. Not.going.to.happen.
Save your time on deciding who will replace Creighton.

So it is not just the Wichita State fan who support Wichita. I follow Fresno and have kids playing college sports at Butler and Pacific. I understand the impact of travel because I know how my kids have to deal with taking classes like O-Chem missing the first 3 classes of the year.

Gonzaga is not feasible with the travel differences. The travel to Wichita State is completely reasonable given Creighton being a strong add. Wichita State is a better all around program than Xavier. They may not chose them because of institutional fit but your comments are rude and show a lack of understanding about college athletics.
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Whichita is a better overall program than Xavier? Hahahhaahhaahaha. You lost all credibility with that statement bud. Wow. You are clueless. Game over. Go home.

(01-20-2013 08:52 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]Whichita is a better overall program than Xavier? Hahahhaahhaahaha. You lost all credibility with that statement bud. Wow. You are clueless. Game over. Go home.

Certainly not historically. My guess is he meant that "right now" Wichita State is the better team. And that is true; this year Wichita State is better than Xavier.

(01-20-2013 09:09 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 08:52 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]Whichita is a better overall program than Xavier? Hahahhaahhaahaha. You lost all credibility with that statement bud. Wow. You are clueless. Game over. Go home.

Certainly not historically. My guess is he meant that "right now" Wichita State is the better team. And that is true; this year Wichita State is better than Xavier.

Wichita State is also much better in baseball top 50 and volleyball top 50. How many top 50 sports does X have?

(01-20-2013 09:23 PM)Sactowndog Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 09:09 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 08:52 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]Whichita is a better overall program than Xavier? Hahahhaahhaahaha. You lost all credibility with that statement bud. Wow. You are clueless. Game over. Go home.

Certainly not historically. My guess is he meant that "right now" Wichita State is the better team. And that is true; this year Wichita State is better than Xavier.

Wichita State is also much better in baseball top 50 and volleyball top 50. How many top 50 sports does X have?

The most important thing is who is getting an invite to a premier BBall league and who is stuck in a weaker MVC?

Baseball and Volleyball play no role in this decision.

(01-20-2013 09:23 PM)Sactowndog Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 09:09 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-20-2013 08:52 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]Whichita is a better overall program than Xavier? Hahahhaahhaahaha. You lost all credibility with that statement bud. Wow. You are clueless. Game over. Go home.

Certainly not historically. My guess is he meant that "right now" Wichita State is the better team. And that is true; this year Wichita State is better than Xavier.

Wichita State is also much better in baseball top 50 and volleyball top 50. How many top 50 sports does X have?

Seriously, are we gonna argue olympic sports now? Xavier is head and shoulders better than WSU in basketball and I'm guessing that's 90% of the deciding factor. I personally hope olympic sports are a factor cause Creighton is quite good in them.

Wichita screams mid-major, something the new league must avoid at all costs. Most basketball analysist think X is high major stuck in mid major conf. We produce nba players and are consistant with our success regardless of coach changes. Our history speaks for itself. When I was at X you looked at our rostet/bench and you saw future nba all star david west and two future hall of fame coaches. It's pretty cool to think about Thad Matta as our head coach with Sean miller sitting next to him as his assistant. Add in skip prosper and Pete Gillian and our pedigree is somethin that you cannot argue. Wichita state a better overall program? biatch please.

(01-20-2013 10:48 PM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]Wichita screams mid-major, something the new league must avoid at all costs. Most basketball analysist think X is high major stuck in mid major conf. We produce nba players and are consistant with our success regardless of coach changes. Our history speaks for itself. When I was at X you looked at our rostet/bench and you saw future nba all star david west and two future hall of fame coaches. It's pretty cool to think about Thad Matta as our head coach with Sean miller sitting next to him as his assistant. Add in skip prosper and Pete Gillian and our pedigree is somethin that you cannot argue. Wichita state a better overall program? biatch please.

Wichita State is a that is better now than any C7 school and arguably as good as any of the candidates (certainly better than Xavier this season). That is all.

I'm not going to get into a history fight with you because all it would do is further derail the thread.

That's my point, one good season doesn't make you a better program.

(01-21-2013 04:22 AM)Xbus Wrote: [ -> ]That's my point, one good season doesn't make you a better program.

Again, this is all just thread derailment.

The only point I'm trying to make is that the conference's first and foremost priority should be to ensure that the basketball is absolutely top-notch.

Wichita State and Gonzaga need to excel eliminate the questions regarding those programs (fit + geography), whereas Dayton or Saint Louis probably only need to show a little more success because their only questions come from the basketball end of things.

I'd say Gonzaga and Wichita State would need a Final Four run or similar to get the national recognition they would need. SLU or Dayton, maybe a couple Sweet 16s. Either way, I think Xavier, Butler, VCU, and Creighton have done their work already.

Xbus, CollegeBasketballFan, easy on the beeyotches and ***** measuring. I'd have PM'ed this, but something isn't working right now.

The greatness of Wichita St is the same as the awesomeness if Tulane!