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Word is leaking out of various BE AD offices, last night and this morning, that SDSU is staying in the MWC. Not exactly groundbreaking news, but I waited to post until I heard from several places.

BTW, that's probably why word of interest in Tulsa started coming out around the same time.

(01-10-2013 12:55 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]Word is leaking out of various BE AD offices, last night and this morning, that SDSU is staying in the MWC. Not exactly groundbreaking news, but I waited to post until I heard from several places.

That is unfortunate - I was really hoping for SDSU to stay and for me to get a chance to drive 5 hours to see my Tigers.

I was planning in my mind a vacation in two years when we were to play there. My wife would have loved the beach! Crap!

If true it does not bode well for the state of the TV negotiations. At least on the surface that's the main reason SDSU would not come, Is if our TV Contract was not significantly greater then the MWC. I could be and am hoping I am wrong. :muttering:

Meh, we'll find out something tomorrow. I'm sick of these "sources."

(01-10-2013 01:02 PM)k5james Wrote: [ -> ]Meh, we'll find out something tomorrow. I'm sick of these "sources."

Would you really prefer I not say anything? I don't throw info around lightly. This is coming from ADs in nBE schools. Maybe word has leaked to them and it's wrong, but it's out there. I'm not guaranteeing anything, just passing along what I was told and was able to confirm. I would love for it to be wrong.

(01-10-2013 01:01 PM)Mestophalies Wrote: [ -> ]If true it does not bode well for the state of the TV negotiations. At least on the surface that's the main reason SDSU would not come, Is if our TV Contract was not significantly greater then the MWC. I could be and am hoping I am wrong. :muttering:

There is a level of safety that cannot be underestimated. If the nBE implodes, SDSU could find itself locked out of any western conference. Its also possible that the MW has relented and will allow SDSU to sell its games in a seperate package like Boise. That would allow SDSU to at least "potentially" earn 3-5 million like Boise. Add in the increase in NCAA credits money and say 3-3.5 million in MW tv revenue and the difference between he MW and nBE in terms of revenue may not be worth the risk--despite the nBE schools earning 5-6 million each.

The news sucks but understandable.

On to the next one...

If true brace yourselves. ESpin will play the crap out of this.

(01-10-2013 12:59 PM)billetingman1 Wrote: [ -> ]I was planning in my mind a vacation in two years when we were to play there. My wife would have loved the beach! Crap!

I was looking forward to having a little vacation time on the west coast as well. Perfect opportunity to Disney California ... .

(01-10-2013 01:02 PM)k5james Wrote: [ -> ]Meh, we'll find out something tomorrow. I'm sick of these "sources."

I think if you find out tomorrow, then that will be the result -- back to the MWC. But the nBE asked them to come to the meetings in Texas and it doesn't make sense to do that unless the conference is going to propose something that they hope will keep them. My hope is that they are finally coming around to the notion of a full all sports western division.

If they do put that on the table then you may not have an answer tomorrow. So no news is probably good news for the nBE -- it means that they are still thinking about it.

Yoda out...

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Does this bode well for a more Easterly approach and the addition of UMass? Serious question for those that follow this more than me.

Yes I am aware there are a number of reasons fans are not a fan of adding UMass. However for completely selfish reasons and as a USF Season ticket holder I would love the chance to see my Alma Mater (sp?) playing at Ray Jay every other year......

(01-10-2013 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]There is a level of safety that cannot be underestimated. If the nBE implodes, SDSU could find itself locked out of any western conference. Its also possible that the MW has relented and will allow SDSU to sell its games in a seperate package like Boise. That would allow SDSU to at least "potentially" earn 3-5 million like Boise. Add in the increase in NCAA credits money and say 3-3.5 million in MW tv revenue and the difference between he MW and nBE in terms of revenue may not be worth the risk--despite the nBE schools earning 5-6 million each.

Exactly. The MWC can offer both a carrot and a stick. Come back and we'll give you this or just no hard feelings. Don't come back and, when the ACC is done with the nBE then not a chance -- "Can we give you Karl Benson's phone number?" I'm not sure that the stick isn't a bigger factor than the carrot.

I also don't think that they need to give SDSU anything special. The more schools that the MWC adds, the less the impact of the CBS deal. If they plan to go to 14 or 16 schools, then the effects of the per game bonus money is closing in on negligible.

In my opinion, whoever wins SDSU wins this war. The MWC will go on to add Houston, SMU and maybe BYU -- or maybe even Cincy and UConn for football only, given how attractive that Catholic 7 contract appears to be. And if the nBE is going to win, then they have to take (my opinion) Air Force, Fresno State, Nevada, New Mexico & UNLV. That guts the MWC, making it easy to take Boise back without giving them squat -- or make another run at BYU, or both.

It's winner takes all boys and girls -- and I think that SDSU is the principal battleground.

Yoda out...


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If this turns out to be fact then this is the new all-sports conference:

East Division:
UConn Big East
Temple Big East
Cincinnati Big East
East Carolina CUSA
Central Florida CUSA
South Florida Big East

West Division:
Memphis CUSA
Southern Miss CUSA
Tulane CUSA
Houston CUSA
SMU CUSA
Tulsa CUSA

The question is does Navy still join and who will be #14?

(01-10-2013 01:02 PM)k5james Wrote: [ -> ]Meh, we'll find out something tomorrow. I'm sick of these "sources."

If you do go back, I'd try for FB-only. The setup with the BW seems pretty good for the rest of your sports.

(01-10-2013 12:55 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]Word is leaking out of various BE AD offices, last night and this morning, that SDSU is staying in the MWC. Not exactly groundbreaking news, but I waited to post until I heard from several places.

Well damn. That's unfortunate. From market to revenues to vision, etc. I felt like SDSU was a better fit in nbe, but I suppose an extra hour plane ride a couple times a year was just too much.

(01-10-2013 01:35 PM)Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2013 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]There is a level of safety that cannot be underestimated. If the nBE implodes, SDSU could find itself locked out of any western conference. Its also possible that the MW has relented and will allow SDSU to sell its games in a seperate package like Boise. That would allow SDSU to at least "potentially" earn 3-5 million like Boise. Add in the increase in NCAA credits money and say 3-3.5 million in MW tv revenue and the difference between he MW and nBE in terms of revenue may not be worth the risk--despite the nBE schools earning 5-6 million each.

Exactly. The MWC can offer both a carrot and a stick. Come back and we'll give you this or just no hard feelings. Don't come back and, when the ACC is done with the nBE then not a chance -- "Can we give you Karl Benson's phone number?" I'm not sure that the stick isn't a bigger factor than the carrot.

I also don't think that they need to give SDSU anything special. The more schools that the MWC adds, the less the impact of the CBS deal. If they plan to go to 14 or 16 schools, then the effects of the per game bonus money is closing in on negligible.

In my opinion, whoever wins SDSU wins this war. The MWC will go on to add Houston, SMU and maybe BYU -- or maybe even Cincy and UConn for football only, given how attractive that Catholic 7 contract appears to be. And if the nBE is going to win, then they have to take (my opinion) Air Force, Fresno State, Nevada, New Mexico & UNLV. That guts the MWC, making it easy to take Boise back without giving them squat -- or make another run at BYU, or both.

It's winner takes all boys and girls -- and I think that SDSU is the principal battleground.

Yoda out...


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I don't really see this. SDSU is a situation where they are an extreme lone geographic outlier. Regardless of TV money that the Big East might offer, that's simply a tough thing for a university president and his/her athletic department to deal with no matter what people might say to justify it.

However, I'd still maintain that the Big East is a much better home for Houston and SMU than the MWC regardless of what SDSU does. The moves being made by the MWC and Big East don't indicate any type of Armageddon destruction of each other at all. If anything, they're indicating pretty run-of-the-mill geographically-focused expansions to have 12-school conferences. Superconferences in theory would work for the likes of the SEC and Big Ten because the types of schools that they would be adding to get to 16 or more would expand the revenue pie enough to justify it. I don't know if that logic would apply to any Gang of Five league.

(01-10-2013 01:35 PM)Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2013 01:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]There is a level of safety that cannot be underestimated. If the nBE implodes, SDSU could find itself locked out of any western conference. Its also possible that the MW has relented and will allow SDSU to sell its games in a seperate package like Boise. That would allow SDSU to at least "potentially" earn 3-5 million like Boise. Add in the increase in NCAA credits money and say 3-3.5 million in MW tv revenue and the difference between he MW and nBE in terms of revenue may not be worth the risk--despite the nBE schools earning 5-6 million each.

Exactly. The MWC can offer both a carrot and a stick. Come back and we'll give you this or just no hard feelingis. Don't come back and, when the ACC is done with the nBE then not a chance -- "Can we give you Karl Benson's phone number?" I'm not sure that the stick isn't a bigger factor than the carrot.

I also don't think that they need to give SDSU anything special. The more schools that the MWC adds, the less the impact of the CBS deal. If they plan to go to 14 or 16 schools, then the effects of the per game bonus money is closing in on negligible.

In my opinion, whoever wins SDSU wins this war. The MWC will go on to add Houston, SMU and maybe BYU -- or maybe even Cincy and UConn for football only, given how attractive that Catholic 7 contract appears to be. And if the nBE is going to win, then they have to take (my opinion) Air Force, Fresno State, Nevada, New Mexico & UNLV. That guts the MWC, making it easy to take Boise back without giving them squat -- or make another run at BYU, or both.

It's winner takes all boys and girls


-- and I think that SDSU is the principal battleground.

Yoda out...


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Blathering defined

(01-10-2013 01:39 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2013 01:02 PM)k5james Wrote: [ -> ]Meh, we'll find out something tomorrow. I'm sick of these "sources."

If you do go back, I'd try for FB-only. The setup with the BW seems pretty good for the rest of your sports.

Question............why would sdsu go to a be meeting if it has made up its mind to go back to mwc.........I think everyone will just have to wait