I just don't think there was a lot of secret to this one. Outside of maybe Alabama, I think Florida State has the best players in the country. They just had better players. If we can't run the ball, Lynch will not ever beat people throwing. He is not a strong passer, he's just not. The two games this year we he was forced to throw (Iowa and Florida State) you saw what happened.
I thought Florida State had a really smart game plan on Lynch. The fact they're so much bigger up front allowed them to stop the pass, but they didn't get over ambitious with their pressures in passing situations. They got NIU into third and long and just sat back and dared Lynch to beat him with their arm. The game completely turned on the Lynch pick. It was 17-10 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd and we had the ball on their 23. It was 3rd and 8, and what did FSU do? 3 man rush. Lynch had all day to throw, and ended up throwing a pick. That was pretty much the game.
With that being said, there's no reason to be hard on Lynch. He's a great QB. We're not going to play too many teams that are going to be able to force us into a lot of 3rd and longs or have the DBs FSU has. Like I said, less about the X's and the O's and more about the players. The Iowa game should be a good test.
I thought our defensive strategy was perfect. Play soft, and make them beat you on 3rd down in the redzone. Pryor's first long TD run was caused by a terrible angle by Stone. Their second TD was just a hell of a catch by their WR. If the offense gives them help, they hold FSU in the low 20's which was all I was hoping for.
Carey did a fine job. You can maybe question some offensive play calls, but he's been doing that all year and again when you are out talented it's not an ideal situation. The fake punt and onsides kicked obviously worked to perfection. We didn't appear to be out schemed. It'll be interesting to see if he keeps play calling duties.
All in all, it's disappointing but there is nothing to be ashamed of. Wish Lynch would have hit Moore on that long TD to make the score closer, but we battled and we were right in that game for the majority.
Moving forward, Iowa City is going to be a wonderful test for Lynch. He has nothing to prove. Nothing. He won the MAC, he proved all he needed to prove, but if there's one knock on his resume, we all know it. Should be fun. I'm putting that one on his shoulders.
(01-08-2013 12:32 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't think there was a lot of secret to this one. Outside of maybe Alabama, I think Florida State has the best players in the country. They just had better players.
I always enjoy your thoughts, but I must point out on defense, probably (or close) but on offense, no. A top end offense would have put more points on us. We DID do a great job on defense though, no doubt.
i thought the turning point of the game was 3-4 plays later with the hit out of bounds. like you said, we were playing that bend but don't break defense, and i felt we had the momentum to stop them on 3rd down...instead it turned into another 1st down, and away they went.
(01-08-2013 12:32 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't think there was a lot of secret to this one. Outside of maybe Alabama, I think Florida State has the best players in the country. They just had better players. If we can't run the ball, Lynch will not ever beat people throwing. He is not a strong passer, he's just not. The two games this year we he was forced to throw (Iowa and Florida State) you saw what happened.
I thought Florida State had a really smart game plan on Lynch. The fact they're so much bigger up front allowed them to stop the pass, but they didn't get over ambitious with their pressures in passing situations. They got NIU into third and long and just sat back and dared Lynch to beat him with their arm. The game completely turned on the Lynch pick. It was 17-10 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd and we had the ball on their 23. It was 3rd and 8, and what did FSU do? 3 man rush. Lynch had all day to throw, and ended up throwing a pick. That was pretty much the game.
With that being said, there's no reason to be hard on Lynch. He's a great QB. We're not going to play too many teams that are going to be able to force us into a lot of 3rd and longs or have the DBs FSU has. Like I said, less about the X's and the O's and more about the players. The Iowa game should be a good test.
I thought our defensive strategy was perfect. Play soft, and make them beat you on 3rd down in the redzone. Pryor's first long TD run was caused by a terrible angle by Stone. Their second TD was just a hell of a catch by their WR. If the offense gives them help, they hold FSU in the low 20's which was all I was hoping for.
Carey did a fine job. You can maybe question some offensive play calls, but he's been doing that all year and again when you are out talented it's not an ideal situation. The fake punt and onsides kicked obviously worked to perfection. We didn't appear to be out schemed. It'll be interesting to see if he keeps play calling duties.
All in all, it's disappointing but there is nothing to be ashamed of. Wish Lynch would have hit Moore on that long TD to make the score closer, but we battled and we were right in that game for the majority.
Moving forward, Iowa City is going to be a wonderful test for Lynch. He has nothing to prove. Nothing. He won the MAC, he proved all he needed to prove, but if there's one knock on his resume, we all know it. Should be fun. I'm putting that one on his shoulders.
don't forget, we were really thin at RB. Akeem Daniels was nursing an injury and I think the strategy in the game was to use him in certain spots. I think next season we will be a much more of a running back offense which will open big space for Jordan
(01-08-2013 12:32 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't think there was a lot of secret to this one. Outside of maybe Alabama, I think Florida State has the best players in the country. They just had better players. If we can't run the ball, Lynch will not ever beat people throwing. He is not a strong passer, he's just not. The two games this year we he was forced to throw (Iowa and Florida State) you saw what happened.
I thought Florida State had a really smart game plan on Lynch. The fact they're so much bigger up front allowed them to stop the pass, but they didn't get over ambitious with their pressures in passing situations. They got NIU into third and long and just sat back and dared Lynch to beat him with their arm. The game completely turned on the Lynch pick. It was 17-10 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd and we had the ball on their 23. It was 3rd and 8, and what did FSU do? 3 man rush. Lynch had all day to throw, and ended up throwing a pick. That was pretty much the game.
With that being said, there's no reason to be hard on Lynch. He's a great QB. We're not going to play too many teams that are going to be able to force us into a lot of 3rd and longs or have the DBs FSU has. Like I said, less about the X's and the O's and more about the players. The Iowa game should be a good test.
I thought our defensive strategy was perfect. Play soft, and make them beat you on 3rd down in the redzone. Pryor's first long TD run was caused by a terrible angle by Stone. Their second TD was just a hell of a catch by their WR. If the offense gives them help, they hold FSU in the low 20's which was all I was hoping for.
Carey did a fine job. You can maybe question some offensive play calls, but he's been doing that all year and again when you are out talented it's not an ideal situation. The fake punt and onsides kicked obviously worked to perfection. We didn't appear to be out schemed. It'll be interesting to see if he keeps play calling duties.
All in all, it's disappointing but there is nothing to be ashamed of. Wish Lynch would have hit Moore on that long TD to make the score closer, but we battled and we were right in that game for the majority.
Moving forward, Iowa City is going to be a wonderful test for Lynch. He has nothing to prove. Nothing. He won the MAC, he proved all he needed to prove, but if there's one knock on his resume, we all know it. Should be fun. I'm putting that one on his shoulders.
I don't buy that. He's a junior this season and he passed for 3138 yrds. That isn't a fluke number that he pulled out of no where. Some passes he has had the WR's have bail him out, but there are others where he places the ball perfect (ex. his pass to Akeem in the OB). He has improved his passing already throughout this season. Next season he will only be better with working on passing in the off season and studying film.
(01-08-2013 10:23 AM)HuskiePride12 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013 12:32 AM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't think there was a lot of secret to this one. Outside of maybe Alabama, I think Florida State has the best players in the country. They just had better players. If we can't run the ball, Lynch will not ever beat people throwing. He is not a strong passer, he's just not. The two games this year we he was forced to throw (Iowa and Florida State) you saw what happened.
I thought Florida State had a really smart game plan on Lynch. The fact they're so much bigger up front allowed them to stop the pass, but they didn't get over ambitious with their pressures in passing situations. They got NIU into third and long and just sat back and dared Lynch to beat him with their arm. The game completely turned on the Lynch pick. It was 17-10 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd and we had the ball on their 23. It was 3rd and 8, and what did FSU do? 3 man rush. Lynch had all day to throw, and ended up throwing a pick. That was pretty much the game.
With that being said, there's no reason to be hard on Lynch. He's a great QB. We're not going to play too many teams that are going to be able to force us into a lot of 3rd and longs or have the DBs FSU has. Like I said, less about the X's and the O's and more about the players. The Iowa game should be a good test.
I thought our defensive strategy was perfect. Play soft, and make them beat you on 3rd down in the redzone. Pryor's first long TD run was caused by a terrible angle by Stone. Their second TD was just a hell of a catch by their WR. If the offense gives them help, they hold FSU in the low 20's which was all I was hoping for.
Carey did a fine job. You can maybe question some offensive play calls, but he's been doing that all year and again when you are out talented it's not an ideal situation. The fake punt and onsides kicked obviously worked to perfection. We didn't appear to be out schemed. It'll be interesting to see if he keeps play calling duties.
All in all, it's disappointing but there is nothing to be ashamed of. Wish Lynch would have hit Moore on that long TD to make the score closer, but we battled and we were right in that game for the majority.
Moving forward, Iowa City is going to be a wonderful test for Lynch. He has nothing to prove. Nothing. He won the MAC, he proved all he needed to prove, but if there's one knock on his resume, we all know it. Should be fun. I'm putting that one on his shoulders.
I don't buy that. He's a junior this season and he passed for 3138 yrds. That isn't a fluke number that he pulled out of no where. Some passes he has had the WR's have bail him out, but there are others where he places the ball perfect (ex. his pass to Akeem in the OB). He has improved his passing already throughout this season. Next season he will only be better with working on passing in the off season and studying film.
Agree^
There were a lot of people that were unsure of Harnish's passing ability after his junior year. I was one of them. He developed quite a bit between his junior and senior year. Lynch will be fine
There were no questions after Harnish's junior year. Soph year? Sure. Junior year? Nope.
I don't think there's really any questions about #6 either.
(01-08-2013 05:05 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]There were no questions after Harnish's junior year. Soph year? Sure. Junior year? Nope.
I don't think there's really any questions about #6 either.
I have no doubts he can throw...he simply had a bad night throwing and got over-excited and overthrew everything. It happens. But he has the arm and he's good enough to be a great college QB. If he improves before next year, that's just grazy.
(01-08-2013 05:12 PM)17Huskies Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013 05:05 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]There were no questions after Harnish's junior year. Soph year? Sure. Junior year? Nope.
I don't think there's really any questions about #6 either.
I have no doubts he can throw...he simply had a bad night throwing and got over-excited and overthrew everything. It happens. But he has the arm and he's good enough to be a great college QB. If he improves before next year, that's just grazy.
There is no question about it, a lot of what happened to Lynch he brought on himself vs FSU. Harnish maybe had better poise than Lynch. Lynch has a little work to do between the ears in terms of settling down when he gets amped. Once he figures that out, he will be complete.
Settling down? Its a ***ch settling down when you are getting SMACKED every play. Lynch is one tough SOB. ... Tommy Lee was impressive on the big stage. Our OLine struggled far more than Lynch.
What a time to be a HUSKIE fan. I am very proud at how Northern Illinois University handled ALL aspects of the Orange Bowl activities. Well done.
(01-08-2013 05:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]There is no question about it, a lot of what happened to Lynch he brought on himself vs FSU. Harnish maybe had better poise than Lynch. Lynch has a little work to do between the ears in terms of settling down when he gets amped. Once he figures that out, he will be complete.
I'm not sure the issues were totally of a "too amped" psych nature.
With FSU's speed, and the number of pros they put out there on defense. it's plausible that the openings he was used to running and throwing into were closing fast, disrupting his game and decision process.
Like a small cousin to what NFL rookies experience- how Wolfe told Spann that what he used to think was a hole in college wasn't a hole in the pros.
(01-08-2013 09:35 PM)DogTracks Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013 05:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]There is no question about it, a lot of what happened to Lynch he brought on himself vs FSU. Harnish maybe had better poise than Lynch. Lynch has a little work to do between the ears in terms of settling down when he gets amped. Once he figures that out, he will be complete.
I'm not sure the issues were totally of a "too amped" psych nature.
With FSU's speed, and the number of pros they put out there on defense. it's plausible that the openings he was used to running and throwing into were closing fast, disrupting his game and decision process.
Like a small cousin to what NFL rookies experience- how Wolfe told Spann that what he used to think was a hole in college wasn't a hole in the pros.
I'm sure that was certain parts of it...but there were some open plays he missed and missed badly, most notably Moore wide open deep twice.
(01-08-2013 11:50 PM)17Huskies Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013 09:35 PM)DogTracks Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013 05:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]There is no question about it, a lot of what happened to Lynch he brought on himself vs FSU. Harnish maybe had better poise than Lynch. Lynch has a little work to do between the ears in terms of settling down when he gets amped. Once he figures that out, he will be complete.
I'm not sure the issues were totally of a "too amped" psych nature.
With FSU's speed, and the number of pros they put out there on defense. it's plausible that the openings he was used to running and throwing into were closing fast, disrupting his game and decision process.
Like a small cousin to what NFL rookies experience- how Wolfe told Spann that what he used to think was a hole in college wasn't a hole in the pros.
I'm sure that was certain parts of it...but there were some open plays he missed and missed badly, most notably Moore wide open deep twice.
Driskell and Kline looked like garbage in their BCS games too, and Emanuel missed wide open WR's on just about any throw over five yards and NIU's CB's were playing approximately 45 yards off on every play. I think it's tough for any QB to take a month off, then go play in the biggest game of your life against an elite opponent.
Lynch had a bad game, I don't think his trash talk had anything to do with missing wide open WR's though. It may have hurt him in the run game but whatever he said, clearly didn't motivate the DBs enough to cover Martel Moore.
How can there be 12 posts about the Orange Bowl and zero comments about what a ridiculous game Jimmie Ward had? Has to be the best pro prospect on the team next year, right?
(01-10-2013 09:01 AM)Huskies2006 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013 11:50 PM)17Huskies Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013 09:35 PM)DogTracks Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013 05:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]There is no question about it, a lot of what happened to Lynch he brought on himself vs FSU. Harnish maybe had better poise than Lynch. Lynch has a little work to do between the ears in terms of settling down when he gets amped. Once he figures that out, he will be complete.
I'm not sure the issues were totally of a "too amped" psych nature.
With FSU's speed, and the number of pros they put out there on defense. it's plausible that the openings he was used to running and throwing into were closing fast, disrupting his game and decision process.
Like a small cousin to what NFL rookies experience- how Wolfe told Spann that what he used to think was a hole in college wasn't a hole in the pros.
I'm sure that was certain parts of it...but there were some open plays he missed and missed badly, most notably Moore wide open deep twice.
Driskell and Kline looked like garbage in their BCS games too, and Emanuel missed wide open WR's on just about any throw over five yards and NIU's CB's were playing approximately 45 yards off on every play. I think it's tough for any QB to take a month off, then go play in the biggest game of your life against an elite opponent.
Lynch had a bad game, I don't think his trash talk had anything to do with missing wide open WR's though. It may have hurt him in the run game but whatever he said, clearly didn't motivate the DBs enough to cover Martel Moore.
How can there be 12 posts about the Orange Bowl and zero comments about what a ridiculous game Jimmie Ward had? Has to be the best pro prospect on the team next year, right?
what made it tough for us on O was the RB posiiton. Akeem was nurseing an injury and I think the strategy was to pick spots for him to get the ball. We could have used Keith Bishop. You knew FSU had its sights on No 6. I thought the D played well. They gave the FSU recievers room when FSU had the ball in their own territory and then tightened it up. Good tackling and kept the game at 17-10 going into the 4th Q.
(01-10-2013 09:01 AM)Huskies2006 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013 11:50 PM)17Huskies Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013 09:35 PM)DogTracks Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2013 05:17 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote: [ -> ]There is no question about it, a lot of what happened to Lynch he brought on himself vs FSU. Harnish maybe had better poise than Lynch. Lynch has a little work to do between the ears in terms of settling down when he gets amped. Once he figures that out, he will be complete.
I'm not sure the issues were totally of a "too amped" psych nature.
With FSU's speed, and the number of pros they put out there on defense. it's plausible that the openings he was used to running and throwing into were closing fast, disrupting his game and decision process.
Like a small cousin to what NFL rookies experience- how Wolfe told Spann that what he used to think was a hole in college wasn't a hole in the pros.
I'm sure that was certain parts of it...but there were some open plays he missed and missed badly, most notably Moore wide open deep twice.
Driskell and Kline looked like garbage in their BCS games too, and Emanuel missed wide open WR's on just about any throw over five yards and NIU's CB's were playing approximately 45 yards off on every play. I think it's tough for any QB to take a month off, then go play in the biggest game of your life against an elite opponent.
Lynch had a bad game, I don't think his trash talk had anything to do with missing wide open WR's though. It may have hurt him in the run game but whatever he said, clearly didn't motivate the DBs enough to cover Martel Moore.
How can there be 12 posts about the Orange Bowl and zero comments about what a ridiculous game Jimmie Ward had? Has to be the best pro prospect on the team next year, right?
In most of my OB posts I commented on Jimmie Ward. I think he could start at a majority of schools in the Big conferences. He'd start in all the BE schools but would be a legit player in the ACC IMO. He tore it up, I have high hopes for the kid. It would be nice to see him get at least 4 INTs next year, hit the 100 tackle mark for the 3rd straight season and be drafted in a higher round. Kid is an absolute ballhawk, under Lovie's system I think he would've been a good fit for the Bears. He's gonna be a special teams phenom at worst at the next level.
Jimmie Ward was the best defensive player on the field for either team. He played phenomenal.
As far as Akeem's injury, we could have had Garrett Wolfe at RB and it wouldn't have made a difference for one simple reason: we couldn't block FSU. Their D-Line completely owned our O-Line.
Like every human being, I have seen Lynch make some throws that looked errant,
(remember there is a WR running a route that compliments or detracts from a throw)
and I have seen him make numerous throws that were right on the money. There is
more to a passing game than a QB's arm.....
Having said that, he can make the throws required to win. No question about that.
To say he is a stronger runner than a passer is not a negative. He is one physical person.
To have a player that physical at that position is a huge plus. Given the numbers
he put up this season, he beat teams with both his arm and his legs. To say otherwise
would seem to be factually incorrect.
The team played well, but the better team on that particular night won.
There were a few throws Lynch would like to have back but that wheel route to Daniels up the sideline was one sweet throw, right on the money.
Without Jimmie Ward on the field, the score is much worse. He made several open field tackles, that if not made would have resulted in TD's. He actually covered up some poor LB play. He will be playing on Sundays.