OK...of course, this COULD bode well for Mr. Webb, IF this dude pulls a Romo and...well, you know...stays distracted... :sly:
Ponder is weakened...
...but I figure Joe may jump to another team next year anyway...he's a free agent next year, right? Looks like the Jets need someone...
I hope to hell Joe is smarter than to sign with the Jets. Dysfunctional idiots. He'd rot on the bench simply because it would make sense to play him.
" Vikings face a stiff road test " LOL
Ponder is pathetic. The only reason he is even playing is they are trying to justify his selection and praying a light will come on. news flash. There is no light to come on. At least he did crack 100 yards passing last week thanks to some YAC by some folks. It's what makes what AP has done even more amazing in that teams are stacking the box because Ponder can't throw.
Wish the Jaguars would give him a look,he's won some games and produced but nooooooooo the local talking heads have renewed their disgusting man love for Tim Tebow another Ponder like qb.Why qbs like Ponder and Tebow are coddled along while a talent like Joe Webb is overlooked is why teams like the vikes and jags lose.
(12-22-2012 01:07 PM)torbida Wrote: [ -> ]Wish the Jaguars would give him a look,he's won some games and produced but nooooooooo the local talking heads have renewed their disgusting man love for Tim Tebow another Ponder like qb.Why qbs like Ponder and Tebow are coddled along while a talent like Joe Webb is overlooked is why teams like the vikes and jags lose.
Just one man's opinion, but I would compare Tebow and Webb before I would Ponder and Tebow. Tebow is in the same situation as Webb if you think about it. Except, Tebow was allowed to make a huge difference in Denver before they got Manning (and who could blame them, if you can get Manning, get Manning.)
I have no doubt that Joe could do the same type things if allowed the leniancy guys like Ponder and Sanchez have been given. Putting a guy in for a play here and there does nothing to help him get used to the speed of the game.
Tebow has not been given a fair chance at New York.
If you are going to trade for him, at least give him a shot.
(12-22-2012 01:25 PM)iam4uab Wrote: [ -> ] (12-22-2012 01:07 PM)torbida Wrote: [ -> ]Wish the Jaguars would give him a look,he's won some games and produced but nooooooooo the local talking heads have renewed their disgusting man love for Tim Tebow another Ponder like qb.Why qbs like Ponder and Tebow are coddled along while a talent like Joe Webb is overlooked is why teams like the vikes and jags lose.
Just one man's opinion, but I would compare Tebow and Webb before I would Ponder and Tebow. Tebow is in the same situation as Webb if you think about it. Except, Tebow was allowed to make a huge difference in Denver before they got Manning (and who could blame them, if you can get Manning, get Manning.)
I have no doubt that Joe could do the same type things if allowed the leniancy guys like Ponder and Sanchez have been given. Putting a guy in for a play here and there does nothing to help him get used to the speed of the game.
I agree. Neither have been given a shot. We understand why Joe hasn't, hard to understand why Tebow has been passed over.
It's really not. Tebow is a sub-par NFL quarterback. Even when he was so "amazing" last year, he didn't look like a legitimate long term solution at the position.(his late season struggles would seem to back this up) John Fox completely altered the offense last year to make Tebow serviceable. I don't think many other coaches want to do that.
(12-22-2012 05:05 PM)blazers9911 Wrote: [ -> ]It's really not. Tebow is a sub-par NFL quarterback. Even when he was so "amazing" last year, he didn't look like a legitimate long term solution at the position.(his late season struggles would seem to back this up) John Fox completely altered the offense last year to make Tebow serviceable. I don't think many other coaches want to do that.
Fair enough, but if Tebow is sub-par, Sanchez is...
Joe Webb has the arm to be a good NFL QB Tebow doesn't.
(12-22-2012 08:09 PM)torbida Wrote: [ -> ]Joe Webb has the arm to be a good NFL QB Tebow doesn't.
Bingo. But Joe is losing precious time rotting on the bench in Minnesota.
(12-22-2012 05:32 PM)iam4uab Wrote: [ -> ] (12-22-2012 05:05 PM)blazers9911 Wrote: [ -> ]It's really not. Tebow is a sub-par NFL quarterback. Even when he was so "amazing" last year, he didn't look like a legitimate long term solution at the position.(his late season struggles would seem to back this up) John Fox completely altered the offense last year to make Tebow serviceable. I don't think many other coaches want to do that.
Fair enough, but if Tebow is sub-par, Sanchez is...
sub-par. Neither looks like a viable long term NFL QB. Sanchez at least has some huge playoff wins under his belt.
Look how few championship NFL QBs were drafted as the best QBs available in Round 1 of their draft. I have not been a great admirer of NFL talent judgement for many years. They seem to judge talent, particularly at QB according to the team that surrounded them and its BCS status. Probably Tebow was selected for those reasons and by a team that ran a system he was not suited to. Look how many QBs have been dumped because the coach's system is preeminent, not the talent brought in. That is why the Steelers cut Louisville QB Johnny Unitas and he was then picked up as bench strength by the Colts to play behind George Shaw.
Most college coaches do it the other way around - assay the talent and then design the system to suit it. Pro HCs really should be called "Managers" because that is their primary function. They design their system and then plug drafted players into it. When there is a happy coincidence of "round peg" player in a "round peg" system, they are successful but when a new player must be used (due to sudden injury) who perhaps is a "square peg", they may fail miserably. Many "wrong peg" players are dismissed until the "coach" is himself eventually fired.
(12-22-2012 12:37 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote: [ -> ]..but I figure Joe may jump to another team next year anyway...he's a free agent next year, right? Looks like the Jets need someone...
joe web has a great job. if the organization likes him and wants him to stay he would be a fool to leave unless someone offers him a starting job. the chances of him being offered that are slim. if he finishes this season he qualifies for his pension. $470 a month for each season you play. if the vikings front office are happy with him as the backup he could be set for years. charlie batch has been a backup at pittsburgh for ten years. if joe turns down another 3 year contract to go to a team where he thinks he has a better chance at getting the starting job in the future thats a huge risk.
(12-23-2012 08:28 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Look how few championship NFL QBs were drafted as the best QBs available in Round 1 of their draft. I have not been a great admirer of NFL talent judgement for many years. They seem to judge talent, particularly at QB according to the team that surrounded them and its BCS status. Probably Tebow was selected for those reasons and by a team that ran a system he was not suited to. Look how many QBs have been dumped because the coach's system is preeminent, not the talent brought in. That is why the Steelers cut Louisville QB Johnny Unitas and he was then picked up as bench strength by the Colts to play behind George Shaw.
Using Unitas as your example to make that point is one of the WORST choices you could make for he first part of your argument. When Unitas played at Louisville it was a small school that did not belong to the NCAA. In todays world that would be like playing at a NAIA school. In the three years Unitas started they won 3, 1, and 3 games. The game he is known for was when he was a freshman and had that great off the bench comback against St. Bonaventure.
Unitas did not play on a big time BCS type school. He did not have a winning record. He was a sub .500 passer who passed for about 500 yard a season as a jr and sr and he still got drafted based on talent evaluation. the nfl talent scouts saw him and his potential despite his poor stats on a bad team.
He got cut by the Steelers because the head coach thought he was too stupid to manage an nfl game more than the system he ran. Most teams today draft to fit the system they run
(12-23-2012 08:28 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Look how few championship NFL QBs were drafted as the best QBs available in Round 1 of their draft. I have not been a great admirer of NFL talent judgement for many years. They seem to judge talent, particularly at QB according to the team that surrounded them and its BCS status. Probably Tebow was selected for those reasons and by a team that ran a system he was not suited to. Look how many QBs have been dumped because the coach's system is preeminent, not the talent brought in. That is why the Steelers cut Louisville QB Johnny Unitas and he was then picked up as bench strength by the Colts to play behind George Shaw.
Most college coaches do it the other way around - assay the talent and then design the system to suit it. Pro HCs really should be called "Managers" because that is their primary function. They design their system and then plug drafted players into it. When there is a happy coincidence of "round peg" player in a "round peg" system, they are successful but when a new player must be used (due to sudden injury) who perhaps is a "square peg", they may fail miserably. Many "wrong peg" players are dismissed until the "coach" is himself eventually fired.
What in the world are you talking about? Ben Roethlisberger played at Miami.(not the one in Florida) Joe Flacco played at Delaware. Alex Smith played at Utah. Jay Cutler played at Vanderbilt. Russell Wilson and Phillip Rivers played at NC State.(and Wilson had one year at Wisconsin as well) Andy Dalton played for TCU. Eli Manning played for Ole Miss. All of these guys were high draft picks and weren't playing for BCS powers full of talent.
Believe it or not, go outside of the south east, and pro football is significantly more popular than college. The NFL doesn't care if you played college at UNA if you can play the game.(Several UNA players have been picked up over the years FWIW) They have guys whose full time job is to evaluate talent from anywhere.
And I'd argue that Bill Belichick can make any player fit his system if the guy is willing to learn. Remember how well Cassell did filling in for Brady? How many guys has he picked up off the street and made into solid NFL Players? I don't think it's about systems in the NFL, I think it's about coaching. Managers. I wish you could make that comment in front of Jim Harbaugh so I could watch him tear you a new one.
(12-24-2012 09:53 AM)blazers9911 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2012 08:28 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Look how few championship NFL QBs were drafted as the best QBs available in Round 1 of their draft. I have not been a great admirer of NFL talent judgement for many years. They seem to judge talent, particularly at QB according to the team that surrounded them and its BCS status. Probably Tebow was selected for those reasons and by a team that ran a system he was not suited to. Look how many QBs have been dumped because the coach's system is preeminent, not the talent brought in. That is why the Steelers cut Louisville QB Johnny Unitas and he was then picked up as bench strength by the Colts to play behind George Shaw.
Most college coaches do it the other way around - assay the talent and then design the system to suit it. Pro HCs really should be called "Managers" because that is their primary function. They design their system and then plug drafted players into it. When there is a happy coincidence of "round peg" player in a "round peg" system, they are successful but when a new player must be used (due to sudden injury) who perhaps is a "square peg", they may fail miserably. Many "wrong peg" players are dismissed until the "coach" is himself eventually fired.
What in the world are you talking about? Ben Roethlisberger played at Miami.(not the one in Florida) Joe Flacco played at Delaware. Alex Smith played at Utah. Jay Cutler played at Vanderbilt. Russell Wilson and Phillip Rivers played at NC State.(and Wilson had one year at Wisconsin as well) Andy Dalton played for TCU. Eli Manning played for Ole Miss. All of these guys were high draft picks and weren't playing for BCS powers full of talent.
Believe it or not, go outside of the south east, and pro football is significantly more popular than college. The NFL doesn't care if you played college at UNA if you can play the game.(Several UNA players have been picked up over the years FWIW) They have guys whose full time job is to evaluate talent from anywhere.
And I'd argue that Bill Belichick can make any player fit his system if the guy is willing to learn. Remember how well Cassell did filling in for Brady? How many guys has he picked up off the street and made into solid NFL Players? I don't think it's about systems in the NFL, I think it's about coaching. Managers. I wish you could make that comment in front of Jim Harbaugh so I could watch him tear you a new one.
NOTE -- I did not say ALL, as in every single one. So you can name 8 who were top choices for 32 teams. That is called making the most of "exceptions to the rule". Bart Starr was picked in a round the NFL doesn't even use anymore (#17). In what round was Tom Brady picked?
Pro football made its name in the biggest cities of the east, midwest and west coast where collegiate football was weak at the time. Look at the colleges that existed in those big cities at that time, and the type of competition they offered. Colleges are usually in minor population areas of their states where they are the "only game in town". Until the AFL came along and forced expansion into the south and southwest, there were no pro teams in Houston, Miami, Dallas, New Orleans, Charlotte, Jacksonville, Denver or Kansas City. One can throw in Boston and Buffalo as big cities in the north the NFL ignored.
You want more, fine.
Aaron Rodgers played at Cal. RGIII at Baylor. Matt Ryan at Boston College. Josh Freeman K-State. Nick Foles at Arizona. Luck at Stanford. Locker at Washington. Gabbert at Missouri It's not an exception when over half the QB's starting in the NFL didn't play at power football schools.
Yes, Manning played at Tennessee. Bray at Michigan. Brees at Purdue.(Purdue was good most years back then, so I'm giving you this one) Sanchez and Palmer at USC. Bradford at Oklahoma. Cam at Auburn. I'll even give you Vick at Va Tech.
I know you didn't say all, but your post definitely made it seem like you meant most. I was merely pointing out that isn't the case. Like I said before, the NFL has scouts who watch the guys year round. They don't care where a guy comes from if he has the tools to play the position.
Everybody knows when Brady was drafted. If anything, that's a bit of an anomaly. I also am one of the few people who seem to acknowledge his college career was blah.
And by the way, the Patriots play about 45 minutes outside of Boston. And Buffalo has a team. How were these cities ignored by the NFL?