Obviously not the way we wanted to end the season. But hey, before the season I hoped we would catch some breaks & finish 7-5 and maybe sneak into a bowl, so I really don't have much there to complain about. The injuries to Molls and Flu were big, no question--but even if they had played the full game, I'm not sure we still would have won (although it would have been a heck of a lot closer, given that it was game for 3 quarters and then a bit more). We simply made too many mistakes both on & off the field to beat a better team--no shame in that.
Thanks to all our graduating Seniors. It has been an up & down 4 (or 5) seasons for you--hope you will always be Rockets & successful in wherever life's journey takes you next.
Next season will be tough--Florida & Mizzou are much better than Arizona & Wyoming, Eastern Wash is better than Coastal Carolina, and Navy is always tough. It will be a challenge to make a bowl, let alone win a MAC West or MACC title. We need some things to start happening now to be prepared:
First, Campbell needs to decide if he's committed to Toledo or not. Nobody can convince me that the undenied rumors about Cincy, then La Tech, then Wiscy didn't hurt this team's preparation. Lately, I've decided I really don't care if he stays or goes--just make a decision please. Remember: it was the players who in large part convinced UT to give you the job--commitment works both ways, Coach. If you stick around for a couple more winning seasons, you'll still have plenty of opportunities to go make more $$$ than you will ever realistically need. But the longer you allow rumors to exist, the more it hurts recruiting & prepping for next season. That's not fair to the school that gave you your big break.
Now, for those Rockets who are thinking about leaving early to declare for the draft: we need everyone back & contributing next season. There is indeed unfinished business. The NFL isn't going anywhere.
For recruiting, I hope we get at least a couple JC D-linemen who are prepared & physically ready to play next season. We just don't have the depth yet to plug the holes that we had this season due to injury & will have going into next season due to graduation.
And one final comment for now heading into changes for next season: whomever the coach is, please get our act together on play-calling. We cannot have another season where we waste the play clock waiting for the booth to look at the defensive set, what players are on the field, make an initial play call and then go "wait, stop, the D moved around, we have to flip a few pages in the play book to find something else, OK, that should work, WAIT, only 2 seconds left, call TO!".
See ya all next season!
Well stated, good assessment!
Agree, hope springs eternal
Excellent Post BC. Fans deserve and players deserve more than a NO COMMENT. Campbell either commits or at least tells the truth. The program will still be fine if he leaves, but BS does not cut it.
(12-16-2012 03:50 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent Post BC. Fans deserve and players deserve more than a NO COMMENT. Campbell either commits or at least tells the truth. The program will still be fine if he leaves, but BS does not cut it.
IMO the No Comment quote was taken out of context as another poster on another thread mentioned. How do we know what the players were or were not told in relation to the No Comment? Based on what I have read and heard about Campbell and his staff is that they are mostly all good old Ohio boys from a tight knit back round mostly at Mount Union. That doesnt mean that they dont jump at an opportunity that will better their pocket book and prestige but IMO it needs to be a job that will keep them in the area where they have their roots in. Based on their ages they have time to develop their skills and profession and based on what we have seen from a fans perspective there are some areas that need refinement. I think there is one logical job that would fulfill their dreams and it is when Urban Meyer decides to call it quits at tOSU. Food for thought.
(12-16-2012 06:51 PM)Pappylizard Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2012 03:50 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent Post BC. Fans deserve and players deserve more than a NO COMMENT. Campbell either commits or at least tells the truth. The program will still be fine if he leaves, but BS does not cut it.
IMO the No Comment quote was taken out of context as another poster on another thread mentioned. How do we know what the players were or were not told in relation to the No Comment? Based on what I have read and heard about Campbell and his staff is that they are mostly all good old Ohio boys from a tight knit back round mostly at Mount Union. That doesnt mean that they dont jump at an opportunity that will better their pocket book and prestige but IMO it needs to be a job that will keep them in the area where they have their roots in. Based on their ages they have time to develop their skills and profession and based on what we have seen from a fans perspective there are some areas that need refinement. I think there is one logical job that would fulfill their dreams and it is when Urban Meyer decides to call it quits at tOSU. Food for thought.
Pappy, did you Ryan's article? Pretty good read and was happy to hear a lot of the things in it. If not, check it out:
http://www.toledoblade.com/UT/2012/12/15...sters.html
(12-16-2012 07:07 PM)Campbell4President Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2012 06:51 PM)Pappylizard Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2012 03:50 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent Post BC. Fans deserve and players deserve more than a NO COMMENT. Campbell either commits or at least tells the truth. The program will still be fine if he leaves, but BS does not cut it.
IMO the No Comment quote was taken out of context as another poster on another thread mentioned. How do we know what the players were or were not told in relation to the No Comment? Based on what I have read and heard about Campbell and his staff is that they are mostly all good old Ohio boys from a tight knit back round mostly at Mount Union. That doesnt mean that they dont jump at an opportunity that will better their pocket book and prestige but IMO it needs to be a job that will keep them in the area where they have their roots in. Based on their ages they have time to develop their skills and profession and based on what we have seen from a fans perspective there are some areas that need refinement. I think there is one logical job that would fulfill their dreams and it is when Urban Meyer decides to call it quits at tOSU. Food for thought.
Pappy, did you Ryan's article? Pretty good read and was happy to hear a lot of the things in it. If not, check it out:
http://www.toledoblade.com/UT/2012/12/15...sters.html
No I did not but a very good article. Another coach that comes to mind with staying on at a program is his former coach at Mount Union. If he and Petersen are his role models then perhaps there is a good chance Campbell is here for the long haul. Lets hope.
We need a consistently great QB.
(12-16-2012 06:51 PM)Pappylizard Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2012 03:50 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent Post BC. Fans deserve and players deserve more than a NO COMMENT. Campbell either commits or at least tells the truth. The program will still be fine if he leaves, but BS does not cut it.
IMO the No Comment quote was taken out of context as another poster on another thread mentioned. How do we know what the players were or were not told in relation to the No Comment? Based on what I have read and heard about Campbell and his staff is that they are mostly all good old Ohio boys from a tight knit back round mostly at Mount Union. That doesnt mean that they dont jump at an opportunity that will better their pocket book and prestige but IMO it needs to be a job that will keep them in the area where they have their roots in. Based on their ages they have time to develop their skills and profession and based on what we have seen from a fans perspective there are some areas that need refinement. I think there is one logical job that would fulfill their dreams and it is when Urban Meyer decides to call it quits at tOSU. Food for thought.
I know exactly the post you refer to--I just have a different opinion. I believe that if a coach truly believes he's in the right place for the moment, and really wants to build a program, then "no comment" is simply not the best response. The best response is, "I am flattered by the attention and honored that my name is being mentioned. That's a sign of respect for what we're doing here. But I am not leaving UT, and will be back on that Glass Bowl sideline next season." Instead, letting his name continue to be publicly mentioned for at least 3 openings, while perhaps good for the ego, had to have impacted the team's preparation for the Bowl--even if he had "told" them he wasn't interested. If he isn't really into building a program here, then he should leave. Personally, I'd like to see him stay and watch he, his staff, and our Rockets succeed--but if he leaves, we'll just find someone who does want to help UT move forward.
I've heard plenty of coaches say all the BS I'm not leaving......zoom gone the next day. I'm hoping he says no comment for 4-5 years.
(12-16-2012 08:08 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote: [ -> ]I know exactly the post you refer to--I just have a different opinion. I believe that if a coach truly believes he's in the right place for the moment, and really wants to build a program, then "no comment" is simply not the best response. The best response is, "I am flattered by the attention and honored that my name is being mentioned.
I know you want him to say he's not going to ever look elsewhere, but that's just not reality. Reality is that his base salary is less than 500K and Toledo and the MAC gets treated unfairly by a lot of the media and by the "big boys" that don't really want the MAC to be considered at the same level as them. It's hard for anyone to pass up a few Million a year, especially someone that did not graduate from UT. That's the reality.
The next reality is that it's a job for Campbell and the other coaches, and it's good business sense to always keep your options open. Interviewing, even if you plan to decline the job if offered is always a good thing. It gives you experience and adds to your contacts. But back to keeping your options open, you need to consider other options. Think about it. If you are a head coach somewhere and you start losing the AD is not going to show loyalty to you and keep you. Eventually he's going to fire you or not renew your contract.
This can be a nasty business. Coaches put an extremely large amount of time into this job, and they can lose their job pretty easily and they tend to move around a lot. I can't fault a guy for going for the payday when he's not getting it in his current job, because you never know if you're ever going to get that chance again and you have to provide for your family and do what's best for the future of your family.
That said, I think it still has to be the right job. IMO, Beckman made a mistake going to Illinois. I think one more year at Toledo he would have lined something much better up.
(12-16-2012 08:08 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2012 06:51 PM)Pappylizard Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2012 03:50 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent Post BC. Fans deserve and players deserve more than a NO COMMENT. Campbell either commits or at least tells the truth. The program will still be fine if he leaves, but BS does not cut it.
IMO the No Comment quote was taken out of context as another poster on another thread mentioned. How do we know what the players were or were not told in relation to the No Comment? Based on what I have read and heard about Campbell and his staff is that they are mostly all good old Ohio boys from a tight knit back round mostly at Mount Union. That doesnt mean that they dont jump at an opportunity that will better their pocket book and prestige but IMO it needs to be a job that will keep them in the area where they have their roots in. Based on their ages they have time to develop their skills and profession and based on what we have seen from a fans perspective there are some areas that need refinement. I think there is one logical job that would fulfill their dreams and it is when Urban Meyer decides to call it quits at tOSU. Food for thought.
I know exactly the post you refer to--I just have a different opinion. I believe that if a coach truly believes he's in the right place for the moment, and really wants to build a program, then "no comment" is simply not the best response. The best response is, "I am flattered by the attention and honored that my name is being mentioned. That's a sign of respect for what we're doing here. But I am not leaving UT, and will be back on that Glass Bowl sideline next season." Instead, letting his name continue to be publicly mentioned for at least 3 openings, while perhaps good for the ego, had to have impacted the team's preparation for the Bowl--even if he had "told" them he wasn't interested. If he isn't really into building a program here, then he should leave. Personally, I'd like to see him stay and watch he, his staff, and our Rockets succeed--but if he leaves, we'll just find someone who does want to help UT move forward.
Pappylizard, if you are referring to my post, the context was this:
Coach was
directly asked in a TV interview about the rumors that he might have been contacted by another school (it's been a few days, but IIRC it was the Wisconsin rumor).
Coaches response was: [coach speak]..no comment..[more coach speak].
I did not try to interpret it, that is just what he said. He did not explicitly say he was staying. He did not explicitly say he was leaving. Really, it's all typical coach speak that can be interpreted a number of ways. All we can do is take it for what it's worth and wait and see. Frankly, I think that asking a coach a question like that while he's out of town in the midst of preparing his team for a bowl game in a few days is BS and probably deserves a BS answer. But, in any case, that is the context.
If I'm not mistaken, UofToledoFans posted that he's not leaving. I'm tending to believe that.
This is exactly what happened:
He was asked the question and he said, "I have no comment on that. I've just been focused on winning this bowl game ever since it was announced."
I seriously don't remember the exact words of the 2nd sentence, but it was pretty much what I wrote above. It was taken out of context because everybody just ran with "no comment." Just plain "no comment" sounds worse than what he actually said. You are right though, it's pretty bush league by the media to ask him that question 2 days before his team plays in a bowl game and you have to expect that answer.
(12-16-2012 09:54 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2012 08:08 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2012 06:51 PM)Pappylizard Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2012 03:50 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent Post BC. Fans deserve and players deserve more than a NO COMMENT. Campbell either commits or at least tells the truth. The program will still be fine if he leaves, but BS does not cut it.
IMO the No Comment quote was taken out of context as another poster on another thread mentioned. How do we know what the players were or were not told in relation to the No Comment? Based on what I have read and heard about Campbell and his staff is that they are mostly all good old Ohio boys from a tight knit back round mostly at Mount Union. That doesnt mean that they dont jump at an opportunity that will better their pocket book and prestige but IMO it needs to be a job that will keep them in the area where they have their roots in. Based on their ages they have time to develop their skills and profession and based on what we have seen from a fans perspective there are some areas that need refinement. I think there is one logical job that would fulfill their dreams and it is when Urban Meyer decides to call it quits at tOSU. Food for thought.
I know exactly the post you refer to--I just have a different opinion. I believe that if a coach truly believes he's in the right place for the moment, and really wants to build a program, then "no comment" is simply not the best response. The best response is, "I am flattered by the attention and honored that my name is being mentioned. That's a sign of respect for what we're doing here. But I am not leaving UT, and will be back on that Glass Bowl sideline next season." Instead, letting his name continue to be publicly mentioned for at least 3 openings, while perhaps good for the ego, had to have impacted the team's preparation for the Bowl--even if he had "told" them he wasn't interested. If he isn't really into building a program here, then he should leave. Personally, I'd like to see him stay and watch he, his staff, and our Rockets succeed--but if he leaves, we'll just find someone who does want to help UT move forward.
Pappylizard, if you are referring to my post, the context was this:
Coach was directly asked in a TV interview about the rumors that he might have been contacted by another school (it's been a few days, but IIRC it was the Wisconsin rumor).
Coaches response was: [coach speak]..no comment..[more coach speak].
I did not try to interpret it, that is just what he said. He did not explicitly say he was staying. He did not explicitly say he was leaving. Really, it's all typical coach speak that can be interpreted a number of ways. All we can do is take it for what it's worth and wait and see. Frankly, I think that asking a coach a question like that while he's out of town in the midst of preparing his team for a bowl game in a few days is BS and probably deserves a BS answer. But, in any case, that is the context.
If I'm not mistaken, UofToledoFans posted that he's not leaving. I'm tending to believe that.
Folks....I am not pinning any comment on anyone. I was simply agreeing that to whatever extent his No Comment was taken out of context which it was. It was a BS question at a BS time all things considered.
New season starts January 7th with winter workouts and with recruiting finishing up. Enjoy your holidays everyone.
I don't know about any other "no comment" comment other than mine. I'm just clarifying mine which I did not post out of context, that's all I'm saying.