(12-13-2012 09:29 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10...reno64-wsj
And I'll add, seeing a lot of ASU in the news lately (yesterday it was Paul Davies) 
Sun Devils Baby!
But if nothing is done, then taxes go up on everyone.
I may be bias but if taxes have to go up, let it go up on those who can afford it more.
(12-13-2012 02:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 09:29 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10...reno64-wsj
And I'll add, seeing a lot of ASU in the news lately (yesterday it was Paul Davies)
Sun Devils Baby!
But if nothing is done, then taxes go up on everyone.
I may be bias but if taxes have to go up, let it go up on those who can afford it more.
When speaking of fairness (Webster's.. not Obamas definition), how is that fair
It may not be fair but life isn't fair.
If taxes have to be raised, it is more fair to raise it on people with money than to raise them on those who don't.
(12-13-2012 03:52 PM)maximus Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 03:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]It may not be fair but life isn't fair.
If taxes have to be raised, it is more fair to raise it on people with money than to raise them on those who don't.
fair = equity
How is that equity
That is incorrect.
Fair isn't equal.
Fair is favorable or acceptable.
(12-13-2012 04:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 03:52 PM)maximus Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 03:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]It may not be fair but life isn't fair.
If taxes have to be raised, it is more fair to raise it on people with money than to raise them on those who don't.
fair = equity
How is that equity
That is incorrect.
Fair isn't equal.
Fair is favorable or acceptable.
Both the English words equity and equality derive from the Latin aequus, meaning fair and even
(12-13-2012 04:43 PM)maximus Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 04:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 03:52 PM)maximus Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 03:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]It may not be fair but life isn't fair.
If taxes have to be raised, it is more fair to raise it on people with money than to raise them on those who don't.
fair = equity
How is that equity
That is incorrect.
Fair isn't equal.
Fair is favorable or acceptable.
Both the English words equity and equality derive from the Latin aequus, meaning fair and even
I disagree
Origin of FAIR
Middle English fager, fair, from Old English fæger; akin to Old High German fagar beautiful
First Known Use: before 12th century
(12-13-2012 03:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]It may not be fair but life isn't fair.
If taxes have to be raised, it is more fair to raise it on people with money than to raise them on those who don't.
That may be more favorable to
you. But it's not ethical.
It's called theft.
And in the long run, theft is not favorable.
(12-13-2012 02:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 09:29 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10...reno64-wsj
And I'll add, seeing a lot of ASU in the news lately (yesterday it was Paul Davies)
Sun Devils Baby!
But if nothing is done, then taxes go up on everyone.
I may be bias but if taxes have to go up, let it go up on those who can afford it more.
I may be fair but if taxes go up on anyone they should go up on everyone! 47% of the people pay no income tax anyway what the worst that happens that number drops to 44%?
(12-13-2012 04:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 04:43 PM)maximus Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 04:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 03:52 PM)maximus Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 03:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]It may not be fair but life isn't fair.
If taxes have to be raised, it is more fair to raise it on people with money than to raise them on those who don't.
fair = equity
How is that equity
That is incorrect.
Fair isn't equal.
Fair is favorable or acceptable.
Both the English words equity and equality derive from the Latin aequus, meaning fair and even
I disagree
Origin of FAIR
Middle English fager, fair, from Old English fæger; akin to Old High German fagar beautiful
First Known Use: before 12th century
No you are wrong.
When speaking about the government confiscating the taxes of two separate people the ONLY fair way is to make them both equal percentages.
Fair does mean equal in this case. You have bought Obamas incorrect definition of fair when it comes to the tax code.
(12-13-2012 06:54 PM)maximus Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 04:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 04:43 PM)maximus Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 04:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 03:52 PM)maximus Wrote: [ -> ]fair = equity
How is that equity
That is incorrect.
Fair isn't equal.
Fair is favorable or acceptable.
Both the English words equity and equality derive from the Latin aequus, meaning fair and even
I disagree
Origin of FAIR
Middle English fager, fair, from Old English fæger; akin to Old High German fagar beautiful
First Known Use: before 12th century
No you are wrong.
When speaking about the government confiscating the taxes of two separate people the ONLY fair way is to make them both equal percentages.
Fair does mean equal in this case. You have bought Obamas incorrect definition of fair when it comes to the tax code.
So you think fair is two equal percentages?
Okay.
What if the movie theater decided to make their ticket prices fair ( according to your definition) charge everyone 1% of their income to watch the movie.
According to your definition of fair, a person who makes 1,000 would pay ten dollars for their ticket and a person making 10k would pay 100 for the same ticket.
Still think fair is equal?
(12-14-2012 05:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 06:54 PM)maximus Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 04:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 04:43 PM)maximus Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2012 04:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]That is incorrect.
Fair isn't equal.
Fair is favorable or acceptable.
Both the English words equity and equality derive from the Latin aequus, meaning fair and even
I disagree
Origin of FAIR
Middle English fager, fair, from Old English fæger; akin to Old High German fagar beautiful
First Known Use: before 12th century
No you are wrong.
When speaking about the government confiscating the taxes of two separate people the ONLY fair way is to make them both equal percentages.
Fair does mean equal in this case. You have bought Obamas incorrect definition of fair when it comes to the tax code.
So you think fair is two equal percentages?
Okay.
What if the movie theater decided to make their ticket prices fair ( according to your definition) charge everyone 1% of their income to watch the movie.
According to your definition of fair, a person who makes 1,000 would pay ten dollars for their ticket and a person making 10k would pay 100 for the same ticket.
Still think fair is equal?
public school education right here!
Our tax system is not fair. The people who pay the least taxes benefit most from what government has to offer. Does anyone think that Bill Gates takes out of government what he pays into it? On the flip side, does a welfare queens put as much into government as she takes out of it?
How is "more fair" not an contradiction? Something is either fair, or it isn't. There's no degrees to it.
I mean, women demand fair pay. Does it apply there too?
Believe in higher taxes on the top percent if you want. Just don't try to pretend and pass it off as being equal or fair to all involved.
(12-13-2012 03:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]If taxes have to be raised, it is more fair to raise it on people with money than to raise them on those who don't.
Raising it only on the "people that can afford it" doesn't even nibble at the problem. Therefore, it's useless.
FTR, I'm for a combination of cutting spending, and increasing the base. To me that means eliminating taxes on businesses. They serve no purpose other than to play favorites and create obstacles in the market.