Just some opinions and comments about Clemson, the ACC, and realignment from a Clemson fan (in no particular order) …..
• Welcome to Louisville and a belated welcome to Pitt and Syracuse. I go to one or two away football games each year and will definitely be coming to visit all three of you when we play at your place for the first time. Hopefully you will come to see us when you play at Clemson – I think you will have an enjoyable trip.
• I hate to see Maryland leave but hard to argue against their decision from a financial standpoint. One of the most exciting football games I have ever attended was the 1978 CU/MD game at Maryland (my senior year at CU). This was for the ACC championship and was a back and forth game with many exciting plays – a 99 yard TD run by MD (Atkins) and two long TD passes by CU (Dwight Clark & Jerry Butler). CU won 28-24.
• I would love for Clemson to join the SEC (never going to happen). I am not a big fan of joining the Big 12 but neither am I strongly opposed to this. Ultimately I believe this could happen due to the significant financial divide that appears to exist between the ACC & Big12/SEC/BIG. Short of joining the SEC, my preference would be for the ACC to get its collective football act together (along with a much improved TV contract). I am not sure how likely this is to happen. Contrary to several CU and FSU fans on this board, I believe that all of the ACC schools (present and future) do CARE about football. However, I am not sure that it is their first priority – for instance, I believe that UNC wants to win in football but let’s face it, they have been, are now, and will forever be a basketball first school. With their BB history, who can blame them.
• There has been a lot of talk about how the level of competition in the ACC is hurting teams like FSU and CU when they play teams from other conferences (ie SEC). First and foremost, let me say that FSU and CU are solely responsible for their level of play and not their conference. Having said that, I do think there is an element of truth to this idea of a weak conference not preparing teams to play. If you constantly play against less physical teams (ie more finesse teams), then you adjust your style and your mentality to play against those teams – it’s only natural. The main problem I see with CU is that football is still won in the trenches and we simply do not have the physical mentality and toughness to go toe-to-toe with the upper SEC teams – this lack of toughness is not caused by playing in the ACC but neither is toughness fostered by playing in the ACC (IMHO).
• The ACC cannot dictate or create “rivals”. For instance, try as they might, BC will NEVER be considered a rival by most CU fans. This doesn’t mean that BC can’t beat us or that they are a bad school, it just means that there is no “natural” excitement for this team as there is when we play USC, UGA, & FSU. (Notice two of these three are in the SEC).
• My personal preference for divisions would be:
Atlantic: CU, FSU, GT, NCSU, WF, Pitt, BC
Coastal: VT, UM, UL, UNC, Duke, SU, UVA
BTW ........ I will be pulling for all of the ACC teams (current and future) in their respective bowl games. Also, even though I am no ND fan, I will definitely be pulling for them to beat Bama (I hate the SEC - unless of course Clemson gets invited to join!! LOL).
Welcome back and thanks for the post.
Let's hope the ACC can get it together in football. I think adding Louisville was clearly the right decision for the league. I'm not happy at all about the decision to add ND but since it happened all we can do is move forward.
I look forward to a trip to Death Valley in the future!
(12-04-2012 09:43 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]Just some opinions and comments about Clemson, the ACC, and realignment from a Clemson fan (in no particular order) …..
• Welcome to Louisville and a belated welcome to Pitt and Syracuse. I go to one or two away football games each year and will definitely be coming to visit all three of you when we play at your place for the first time. Hopefully you will come to see us when you play at Clemson – I think you will have an enjoyable trip.
• I hate to see Maryland leave but hard to argue against their decision from a financial standpoint. One of the most exciting football games I have ever attended was the 1978 CU/MD game at Maryland (my senior year at CU). This was for the ACC championship and was a back and forth game with many exciting plays – a 99 yard TD run by MD (Atkins) and two long TD passes by CU (Dwight Clark & Jerry Butler). CU won 28-24.
• I would love for Clemson to join the SEC (never going to happen). I am not a big fan of joining the Big 12 but neither am I strongly opposed to this. Ultimately I believe this could happen due to the significant financial divide that appears to exist between the ACC & Big12/SEC/BIG. Short of joining the SEC, my preference would be for the ACC to get its collective football act together (along with a much improved TV contract). I am not sure how likely this is to happen. Contrary to several CU and FSU fans on this board, I believe that all of the ACC schools (present and future) do CARE about football. However, I am not sure that it is their first priority – for instance, I believe that UNC wants to win in football but let’s face it, they have been, are now, and will forever be a basketball first school. With their BB history, who can blame them.
• There has been a lot of talk about how the level of competition in the ACC is hurting teams like FSU and CU when they play teams from other conferences (ie SEC). First and foremost, let me say that FSU and CU are solely responsible for their level of play and not their conference. Having said that, I do think there is an element of truth to this idea of a weak conference not preparing teams to play. If you constantly play against less physical teams (ie more finesse teams), then you adjust your style and your mentality to play against those teams – it’s only natural. The main problem I see with CU is that football is still won in the trenches and we simply do not have the physical mentality and toughness to go toe-to-toe with the upper SEC teams – this lack of toughness is not caused by playing in the ACC but neither is toughness fostered by playing in the ACC (IMHO).
• The ACC cannot dictate or create “rivals”. For instance, try as they might, BC will NEVER be considered a rival by most CU fans. This doesn’t mean that BC can’t beat us or that they are a bad school, it just means that there is no “natural” excitement for this team as there is when we play USC, UGA, & FSU. (Notice two of these three are in the SEC).
• My personal preference for divisions would be:
Atlantic: CU, FSU, GT, NCSU, WF, Pitt, BC
Coastal: VT, UM, UL, UNC, Duke, SU, UVA
BTW ........ I will be pulling for all of the ACC teams (current and future) in their respective bowl games. Also, even though I am no ND fan, I will definitely be pulling for them to beat Bama (I hate the SEC - unless of course Clemson gets invited to join!! LOL).
Very nice and reasonable post. Thanks for the welcome.
Thanks for the welcome. Hopefully you and Catdaddy could recruit some other Clemson guys here. I do know your vitrol towards the ACC and how the league runs itself. I also would like a change in the front offices once we all get settled in.
I can't blame Clemson fans for wanting to be in the SEC. That's really no different than a Pitt or Syracuse fan for wanting to be in the B1G. The History and Tradition plus the $$$ is second to none. I honestly don't think the Big XII is a long term solution for anybody including Pitt. Its really a stop gap for programs between the ACC and the B1G & SEC. Or teams that go to the Big XII could find themselves back in the ACC for the long term. Unfortunately the nature of the beast is dollars and cents.
I thank you for admitting that. Its too bad that none of the schools other than VT has stepped up and helped the image of the ACC. A school like North Carolina is in the middle of a growing hotbed of talent, and the same with Virginia. Hopefully Pitt will be on the rise esp if Chryst does stay at Pitt.
I agree that forced rivalries never work. They develop over time. Right now Pitt has zero rivalries and 1 traditional opponent in Syracuse.
Hopefully the league uses this time of tension and instability to come together for a common cause and the league realizes its full potential. Tons of schools w/ great histories in FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, VT, Pitt, Cuse, BC and there is no reason why those 6-7 schools can't carry the banner on a yearly basis and at a high level of play. Not saying it will happen either.
I'll try my best to root for all of the ACC Schools yet. I'm still not a full fledged ACC Fan yet. The league will grow on me w/ time.
Pitt fans might prefer the Big 10...but most Cuse fans prefer the ACC.
(12-04-2012 10:18 PM)TexanMark Wrote: [ -> ]Pitt fans might prefer the Big 10...but most Cuse fans prefer the ACC.
To this Pitt fan, I would love nothing better than to see the rise of the football indies again - including PSU. Alas, we know that will never happen. But for Pitt the ideal schedule would include the following annual games - based on historical connections and more recent developments:
Penn St, Notre Dame, WVU, Syracuse, Boston Col, Rutgers, Miami, Virginia Tech and Navy.
Pitt will have access to 4 of those school with 3 of them being annual games (Miami, SU and VT). So the ACC is the best place for Pitt based on tradition.
(12-04-2012 09:43 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]Ultimately I believe this could happen due to the significant financial divide that appears to exist between the ACC & Big12/SEC/BIG.
I do agree that a significant gap exists between the ACC and the B1G/SEC/P12, but not the B12. The gap between the ACC and the B12, aside from Texas with the LHN, is a couple of million $ at most. ESPN could resolve that issue pretty quickly and Swofford, hopefully, is working with ESPN to address that gap. It is in ESPN's interest to have the ACC remain as a player since they control all of the ACC's rights.
One change that could make a big difference would be to release tv rights to one fb game a year back to the schools. ESPN could retain internet rights to the games for ESPN3. That would put the ACC pretty much on par with the B12.
It would be a sad day if the ACC lost a school to the B12 since there is absolutely no need for that to happen.
Great post. Cannot wait to visit you guys. Best of luck with your bowl-important one for all of us.
i don't know of any school that will invest 120 million dollars in it's football facilities if they didn't care about fielding a solid football team. Ohio State,Michigan, & Florida are all "football first" schools that also have solid basketball programs(so it can be done) UNC wants EVERY SPORT it competes in to do so at a high level of success so we care about the entire ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT &each has a budget & facilities to compete at a high level. Regarding FSU & Clemson, stop losing 4 out of 6 to Wake Forest,start winning games that matter & stop scheduling the Woffords of the world if you think you are all that. so to sum it up you guys need to MAN UP OR SHUT UP
(12-04-2012 09:43 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]• There has been a lot of talk about how the level of competition in the ACC is hurting teams like FSU and CU when they play teams from other conferences (ie SEC). First and foremost, let me say that FSU and CU are solely responsible for their level of play and not their conference. Having said that, I do think there is an element of truth to this idea of a weak conference not preparing teams to play. If you constantly play against less physical teams (ie more finesse teams), then you adjust your style and your mentality to play against those teams – it’s only natural. The main problem I see with CU is that football is still won in the trenches and we simply do not have the physical mentality and toughness to go toe-to-toe with the upper SEC teams – this lack of toughness is not caused by playing in the ACC but neither is toughness fostered by playing in the ACC (IMHO).
Having watched a more physical (SEC-style) South Carolina play against Clemson the other week, I have to agree with that assessment.
Welcome to the board.
(12-04-2012 09:43 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]Just some opinions and comments about Clemson, the ACC, and realignment from a Clemson fan (in no particular order) …..
• Welcome to Louisville and a belated welcome to Pitt and Syracuse. I go to one or two away football games each year and will definitely be coming to visit all three of you when we play at your place for the first time. Hopefully you will come to see us when you play at Clemson – I think you will have an enjoyable trip.
• I hate to see Maryland leave but hard to argue against their decision from a financial standpoint. One of the most exciting football games I have ever attended was the 1978 CU/MD game at Maryland (my senior year at CU). This was for the ACC championship and was a back and forth game with many exciting plays – a 99 yard TD run by MD (Atkins) and two long TD passes by CU (Dwight Clark & Jerry Butler). CU won 28-24.
• I would love for Clemson to join the SEC (never going to happen). I am not a big fan of joining the Big 12 but neither am I strongly opposed to this. Ultimately I believe this could happen due to the significant financial divide that appears to exist between the ACC & Big12/SEC/BIG. Short of joining the SEC, my preference would be for the ACC to get its collective football act together (along with a much improved TV contract). I am not sure how likely this is to happen. Contrary to several CU and FSU fans on this board, I believe that all of the ACC schools (present and future) do CARE about football. However, I am not sure that it is their first priority – for instance, I believe that UNC wants to win in football but let’s face it, they have been, are now, and will forever be a basketball first school. With their BB history, who can blame them.
• There has been a lot of talk about how the level of competition in the ACC is hurting teams like FSU and CU when they play teams from other conferences (ie SEC). First and foremost, let me say that FSU and CU are solely responsible for their level of play and not their conference. Having said that, I do think there is an element of truth to this idea of a weak conference not preparing teams to play. If you constantly play against less physical teams (ie more finesse teams), then you adjust your style and your mentality to play against those teams – it’s only natural. The main problem I see with CU is that football is still won in the trenches and we simply do not have the physical mentality and toughness to go toe-to-toe with the upper SEC teams – this lack of toughness is not caused by playing in the ACC but neither is toughness fostered by playing in the ACC (IMHO).
• The ACC cannot dictate or create “rivals”. For instance, try as they might, BC will NEVER be considered a rival by most CU fans. This doesn’t mean that BC can’t beat us or that they are a bad school, it just means that there is no “natural” excitement for this team as there is when we play USC, UGA, & FSU. (Notice two of these three are in the SEC).
• My personal preference for divisions would be:
Atlantic: CU, FSU, GT, NCSU, WF, Pitt, BC
Coastal: VT, UM, UL, UNC, Duke, SU, UVA
BTW ........ I will be pulling for all of the ACC teams (current and future) in their respective bowl games. Also, even though I am no ND fan, I will definitely be pulling for them to beat Bama (I hate the SEC - unless of course Clemson gets invited to join!! LOL).
Thanks for your post.
I agree, those Maryland/Clemson match up in the late 70's were classic and were good through the Bobby Ross years (mid 80's).
(12-04-2012 09:43 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]Just some opinions and comments about Clemson, the ACC, and realignment from a Clemson fan (in no particular order) …..
• Welcome to Louisville and a belated welcome to Pitt and Syracuse. I go to one or two away football games each year and will definitely be coming to visit all three of you when we play at your place for the first time. Hopefully you will come to see us when you play at Clemson – I think you will have an enjoyable trip.
• I hate to see Maryland leave but hard to argue against their decision from a financial standpoint. One of the most exciting football games I have ever attended was the 1978 CU/MD game at Maryland (my senior year at CU). This was for the ACC championship and was a back and forth game with many exciting plays – a 99 yard TD run by MD (Atkins) and two long TD passes by CU (Dwight Clark & Jerry Butler). CU won 28-24.
• I would love for Clemson to join the SEC (never going to happen). I am not a big fan of joining the Big 12 but neither am I strongly opposed to this. Ultimately I believe this could happen due to the significant financial divide that appears to exist between the ACC & Big12/SEC/BIG. Short of joining the SEC, my preference would be for the ACC to get its collective football act together (along with a much improved TV contract). I am not sure how likely this is to happen. Contrary to several CU and FSU fans on this board, I believe that all of the ACC schools (present and future) do CARE about football. However, I am not sure that it is their first priority – for instance, I believe that UNC wants to win in football but let’s face it, they have been, are now, and will forever be a basketball first school. With their BB history, who can blame them.
• There has been a lot of talk about how the level of competition in the ACC is hurting teams like FSU and CU when they play teams from other conferences (ie SEC). First and foremost, let me say that FSU and CU are solely responsible for their level of play and not their conference. Having said that, I do think there is an element of truth to this idea of a weak conference not preparing teams to play. If you constantly play against less physical teams (ie more finesse teams), then you adjust your style and your mentality to play against those teams – it’s only natural. The main problem I see with CU is that football is still won in the trenches and we simply do not have the physical mentality and toughness to go toe-to-toe with the upper SEC teams – this lack of toughness is not caused by playing in the ACC but neither is toughness fostered by playing in the ACC (IMHO).
• The ACC cannot dictate or create “rivals”. For instance, try as they might, BC will NEVER be considered a rival by most CU fans. This doesn’t mean that BC can’t beat us or that they are a bad school, it just means that there is no “natural” excitement for this team as there is when we play USC, UGA, & FSU. (Notice two of these three are in the SEC).
• My personal preference for divisions would be:
Atlantic: CU, FSU, GT, NCSU, WF, Pitt, BC
Coastal: VT, UM, UL, UNC, Duke, SU, UVA
BTW ........ I will be pulling for all of the ACC teams (current and future) in their respective bowl games. Also, even though I am no ND fan, I will definitely be pulling for them to beat Bama (I hate the SEC - unless of course Clemson gets invited to join!! LOL).
Excellent post! There is so much ACC bashing taking place on various message boards now that it's refreshing to see a post supportive (overall) of our conference. I can honestly say that if Virginia Tech was offered membership tomorrow in either the B1G or the SEC, I'd prefer we stay in the ACC---primarily because it is the best geographical fit for us and because I really like the mix of schools in the ACC. I too hated to see Maryland leave. It was a charter member of the conference and a perfect fit geographically for the ACC. If it weren't for their dire financial circumstances, I don't think they would have left for the B1G.
I hope that the addition of Louisville (over UConn) means that Swofford and the ACC presidents finally realize the important role that football plays in determining the future stability of this conference. The ACC is not, and never will be the SEC in football, but there are enough ACC schools with great football tradition/potential that our conference can and should be a player on the national scene. I just wish this conference realignment crap would end so the ACC could get on with integrating its new members and improving conference rivalries.
I certainly hope the ACC stays close enough to the other conferences financially that we don't lose coaches, etc. However, if I made a list of the teams I'm most interested in seeing the Hokies play, they would be (in no particular order):
Virginia
W Virginia
Pittsburgh
Penn State
UNC
NC State
Wake Forest
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Miami
Florida State
Tennessee
Syracuse
Louisville
as you can see, most of those teams are in the ACC. Many of these have been rivals in prior leagues (Metro, Big East) which VT belonged to.
(PS - I also like to see VT / Duke and VT / UNC in basketball)
What a shame to hijack this thread with ridiculous speculation and endless minutiae.
IR4CU does not post much but he does read this board on a regular basis. You can be assured that his post was well thought out and heartfelt. Let this post stand on it's own and go peddle the drivel elsewhere.
(12-06-2012 08:17 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]What a shame to hijack this thread with ridiculous speculation and endless minutiae.
IR4CU does not post much but he does read this board on a regular basis. You can be assured that his post was well thought out and heartfelt. Let this post stand on it's own and go peddle the drivel elsewhere.
(12-06-2012 08:17 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]What a shame to hijack this thread with ridiculous speculation and endless minutiae.
IR4CU does not post much but he does read this board on a regular basis. You can be assured that his post was well thought out and heartfelt. Let this post stand on it's own and go peddle the drivel elsewhere.
I agree. This thread has been split. All you numbers guys can go to the thread "Acc Revenue Discussion" to continue your discussion.
I would also like to thank this particular Clemson fan for the nice welcoming post, as well as the Carolina and especially VT fans for being so welcoming to the newcomers as well. Glad to be in a conference with you guys again.
(12-05-2012 11:33 AM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2012 09:43 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]Ultimately I believe this could happen due to the significant financial divide that appears to exist between the ACC & Big12/SEC/BIG.
I do agree that a significant gap exists between the ACC and the B1G/SEC/P12, but not the B12. The gap between the ACC and the B12, aside from Texas with the LHN, is a couple of million $ at most. ESPN could resolve that issue pretty quickly and Swofford, hopefully, is working with ESPN to address that gap. It is in ESPN's interest to have the ACC remain as a player since they control all of the ACC's rights.
One change that could make a big difference would be to release tv rights to one fb game a year back to the schools. ESPN could retain internet rights to the games for ESPN3. That would put the ACC pretty much on par with the B12.
It would be a sad day if the ACC lost a school to the B12 since there is absolutely no need for that to happen.
I doubt ESPN will make up the difference as it is not in their interest to pay the ACC more than what was negotiated. The ACC schools will be making around $3 million less than the Big XII. The SEC with their up coming network and the B1G with their existing network will far exceed the ACC.
(12-04-2012 09:43 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]Just some opinions and comments about Clemson, the ACC, and realignment from a Clemson fan (in no particular order) …..
• Welcome to Louisville and a belated welcome to Pitt and Syracuse. I go to one or two away football games each year and will definitely be coming to visit all three of you when we play at your place for the first time. Hopefully you will come to see us when you play at Clemson – I think you will have an enjoyable trip.
• I hate to see Maryland leave but hard to argue against their decision from a financial standpoint. One of the most exciting football games I have ever attended was the 1978 CU/MD game at Maryland (my senior year at CU). This was for the ACC championship and was a back and forth game with many exciting plays – a 99 yard TD run by MD (Atkins) and two long TD passes by CU (Dwight Clark & Jerry Butler). CU won 28-24.
• I would love for Clemson to join the SEC (never going to happen). I am not a big fan of joining the Big 12 but neither am I strongly opposed to this. Ultimately I believe this could happen due to the significant financial divide that appears to exist between the ACC & Big12/SEC/BIG. Short of joining the SEC, my preference would be for the ACC to get its collective football act together (along with a much improved TV contract). I am not sure how likely this is to happen. Contrary to several CU and FSU fans on this board, I believe that all of the ACC schools (present and future) do CARE about football. However, I am not sure that it is their first priority – for instance, I believe that UNC wants to win in football but let’s face it, they have been, are now, and will forever be a basketball first school. With their BB history, who can blame them.
• There has been a lot of talk about how the level of competition in the ACC is hurting teams like FSU and CU when they play teams from other conferences (ie SEC). First and foremost, let me say that FSU and CU are solely responsible for their level of play and not their conference. Having said that, I do think there is an element of truth to this idea of a weak conference not preparing teams to play. If you constantly play against less physical teams (ie more finesse teams), then you adjust your style and your mentality to play against those teams – it’s only natural. The main problem I see with CU is that football is still won in the trenches and we simply do not have the physical mentality and toughness to go toe-to-toe with the upper SEC teams – this lack of toughness is not caused by playing in the ACC but neither is toughness fostered by playing in the ACC (IMHO).
• The ACC cannot dictate or create “rivals”. For instance, try as they might, BC will NEVER be considered a rival by most CU fans. This doesn’t mean that BC can’t beat us or that they are a bad school, it just means that there is no “natural” excitement for this team as there is when we play USC, UGA, & FSU. (Notice two of these three are in the SEC).
• My personal preference for divisions would be:
Atlantic: CU, FSU, GT, NCSU, WF, Pitt, BC
Coastal: VT, UM, UL, UNC, Duke, SU, UVA
BTW ........ I will be pulling for all of the ACC teams (current and future) in their respective bowl games. Also, even though I am no ND fan, I will definitely be pulling for them to beat Bama (I hate the SEC - unless of course Clemson gets invited to join!! LOL).
I am glad Syracuse is in the ACC and I look forward to playing teams that historically have been good FSU and Clemson. Rivals are hard to dictate it usually takes a while for things to develop or possibly some nasty incidents or a period where both schools are very good.
I wouldn't mind that alignment as Syracuse has more of a history with VT, Louisville, Duke (basketball) UNC (basketball) and Miami than with Clemson, GT and FSU.
I think a lot schools teams take their cue of whether they will be physical or not from the coaching staff. I suspect the ACC will probably become more physical over time as the SEC has shown the way in that respect.
(12-04-2012 10:13 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the welcome. Hopefully you and Catdaddy could recruit some other Clemson guys here. I do know your vitrol towards the ACC and how the league runs itself. I also would like a change in the front offices once we all get settled in.
I can't blame Clemson fans for wanting to be in the SEC. That's really no different than a Pitt or Syracuse fan for wanting to be in the B1G. The History and Tradition plus the $$$ is second to none. I honestly don't think the Big XII is a long term solution for anybody including Pitt. Its really a stop gap for programs between the ACC and the B1G & SEC. Or teams that go to the Big XII could find themselves back in the ACC for the long term. Unfortunately the nature of the beast is dollars and cents.
Recruiting thank you for admitting that. Its too bad that none of the schools other than VT has stepped up and helped the image of the ACC. A school like North Carolina is in the middle of a growing hotbed of talent, and the same with Virginia. Hopefully Pitt will be on the rise esp if Chryst does stay at Pitt.
I agree that forced rivalries never work. They develop over time. Right now Pitt has zero rivalries and 1 traditional opponent in Syracuse.
Hopefully the league uses this time of tension and instability to come together for a common cause and the league realizes its full potential. Tons of schools w/ great histories in FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, VT, Pitt, Cuse, BC and there is no reason why those 6-7 schools can't carry the banner on a yearly basis and at a high level of play. Not saying it will happen either.
I'll try my best to root for all of the Schools yet. I'm still not a full fledged ACC Fan yet. The league will grow on me w/ time.
I disagree that we have no rivals. Pitt - VT was developing into a very good rivalry before VT went to the ACC. Given that we will play annually and have a level of familiarity with one and other I see that heating up quickly again. Especially if we keep upsetting them.
I also think this week's news that we are keeping Cutcliffe, Fedora, Strong, and Chryst coupled with strong hires at NC St. and BC means there are a lot of good coaches in the league. GT and UVA look like they may need to upgrade, but those 6 plus Fisher, Beamer, Swinney, and Golden is a very strong nucleus. Marrone is looking like he may have Cuse turned around and going in the right direction and Grobe has has success as well. Other than UVA's coach all have had some success or look to be up and coming young coaches. If we can keep this caliber of coaches, we'll be fine.
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(12-07-2012 03:59 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2012 10:13 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: [ -> ]Right now Pitt has zero rivalries and 1 traditional opponent in Syracuse.
I disagree that we have no rivals. Pitt - VT was developing into a very good rivalry before VT went to the ACC. Given that we will play annually and have a level of familiarity with one and other I see that heating up quickly again. Especially if we keep upsetting them.
Trust me, that game in Heinz Field this season was VERY UPSETTING to Hokies!
Quote:I also think this week's news that we are keeping Cutcliffe, Fedora, Strong, and Chryst coupled with strong hires at NC St. and BC means there are a lot of good coaches in the league. GT and UVA look like they may need to upgrade, but those 6 plus Fisher, Beamer, Swinney, and Golden is a very strong nucleus. Marrone is looking like he may have Cuse turned around and going in the right direction and Grobe has has success as well. Other than UVA's coach all have had some success or look to be up and coming young coaches. If we can keep this caliber of coaches, we'll be fine.
I agree. The best ACC news all week has been the coaches who decided to stay.