Hopefully he will read this...
From listening to the BCS selection show, clearly you are frustrated that NIU is in a BCS bowl. Your argument has countless holes in it but let me highlight several of the important ones and tell you why you are wrong. I will not spend hours, even many minutes, scouring the internet for stats as your argument was so poor that I do not need to do so. Here we go:
NIU lost to Iowa- NIU did lose to Iowa, I will not argue that. We lost by one point on a last minute touchdown after controlling the game throughout. NIU returned 0 offensive linemen. NIU lost it's QB to the NFL. NIU returned two starters MAX, so we had a team that was making their first career college football starts against a big ten team at Soldier Field.
You say Iowa is bad. Iowa is bad. They also beat a MSU team that was once highly ranked. They also lost to Central Michigan who NIU beat by over 30 points. You can play the "they beat them, who beat them" game all day long, which clearly you love to reference but only present one side of reality.
In further "they beat them, who beat them" scenarios, the MAC played 2 of the top 3 teams in the Big East. They beat both of them. The team they did not play, Lousville, lost to Uconn who, you guessed it, lost to a MAC team. By this point you should be realizing one of two things.. Either your argument that NIU did not beat anyone while they were undefeated in the MAC does not hold any weight OR the Big East is worse than the MAC so if you were a logical person you would have a bigger problem with the Big East making a BCS bowl than NIU.
NIU playing in a BCS bowl is a product of the bowl system, NIU is not to blame. At least you seem to recognize this. People are quick to question things and hesitant to propose any real solutions. In a "fair" world would the BCS games be the top "X" teams in the country? Maybe they would, but then the SEC would have 6 teams playing. If we wanted to watch that we would watch the regular season. There is something to say, and should be, for a team winning their conference. Hence the AQ conferences. The reason NIU made this game is because the system identified AQ conferences that are WORSE than the one NIU plays in.
You seem to be quiet on the topic of Louisville and Wisconsin making a BCS bowl. As noted earlier, Louisville plays in the Big East. Also noted earlier the MAC played the Big East on multiple occasions and won on multiple occasions. Despite the level of terribleness that the Big East reached, they managed to get a couple teams to high rankings during the year. The MAC beat these teams while they were playing their best football and ranked high in the polls.
Wisconsin lost five games. Yes, five. Wisconsin lost to Penn State last weekend I think even you would agree that there is a high level of variance in level of play and how good a team is throughout the season. So when I say that Wisconsin lost to PSU last weekend that means that the Rose Bowl version of Wisconsin is not as good as PSU. PSU lost to a MAC team. To refresh your memory they beat Wisconsin. Wisconsin is in the rose bowl.
NIU is 21-1 in their last 22 games. Did we play the same level of competition? No. But we beat just about everyone on our schedule. If you had a legitimate gripe you would be complaining about Wisconsin or Louisville. There is no type of argument grounded in any facts that could be said for Louisville being better than NIU. You mention that a MAC team should need to be much higher in the rankings to deserve a better game than a non-ranked team from an AQ conference. I know you follow college football rather closely so I would have thought you knew that the fact that NIU plays in the MAC, against an assumed lesser competition, is built into their ranking. So to say that a 15th ranked NIU is not as impressive as an unranked Louisville makes no sense whatsoever. Clearly NIU was already discounted in their ranking for playing in a non-AQ conference seeing as they were 12-1, won their conference, and won 12 in a row. If they did that in the SEC they would be in the title game. So that argument is baseless.
We all know that Vegas seems to get things right from time to time, explain to me why NIU is only a 7 point underdog to an FSU team that barely lost to the 3rd ranked Florida team a few weeks ago. At the same time, ND is an 8.5 dog and Louisville is an underdog to the extent of 18.5 points. So in between ripping on NIU maybe you should take a step back and take a look at the reality of the situation. Maybe then you'd realize that to complain about NIU being in a BCS game is "an absolute joke".
Great Post regarding FB accomplishments!
Regarding FB attendance:
Remember there is no such thing as bad publicity when you make a BCS Bowl.
There will be thousands of NIU snowbirds and Florida residents who have not cared about NIU football since George Bork through a Football in 1963 and played in Div 1aa) in attendance.These are people who are not on the NIU athletic sites Data base.
Many snow birds from Illinois will be in Florida(well over ten thousand). Estimate NIU Florida residents and "seasonal residents" to number in the tens of thousands.
It would take a marketing project involving hundreds of student hours to accomplish a database of this lucrative nische who will be ripe for NIU's attendance.
Also hundreds of people will travel from the East coast west coast and thousands from the midwest to be at that game.
Most NIU alumni do not care about Toledo. They care about being Nationally ranked.
They are not traditional NIU supporters but many will view this as a once in a lifetime opportunity to be in Florida.
If NIU markets this properly it can sell it's 17 500 allotment + extra.
We need Herbstreit to market this for us. The more anger against NIU, the more old fans of the 1950's, 1960's in addition to the 70's 80's and Joe Novak era will be there. Every NIU NFL player will most likely be there.
Expect hundreds of NIU millionaires to fly themselves to Florida for the game.
Allot of fans from every era will be there. Even the 1990's where attendance was minimal will be represented. The Novak supporters will be there.
Expect NIU to get more people to this game then the number who NIU stadium for the Toledo game this year.
I was going to post the following topic for discussion, but since you so eloquently started the Kirk Herbstreit discussion, I will add it here.
Kirk Herbstreit is a journalist? Are you kidding me?
Look at his personal bio-
http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/celeb...Herbstreit
He's a business major, not a journalism major!
He only saw the field as an QB at Ohio State for 1 season!
He passed for what they say is "close to 2,000 yds" in 12 games!
Ohio State his Sr. season was 8-3-1 and ranked #18th in the final vote.
And this qualifies him to be a college football analyst? Are you kidding me?
KIRK - HERBSTREIT ! Are you kidding me ?
(12-03-2012 06:43 AM)Doeren Identity Wrote: [ -> ]I was going to post the following topic for discussion, but since you so eloquently started the Kirk Herbstreit discussion, I will add it here.
Kirk Herbstreit is a journalist? Are you kidding me?
Look at his personal bio- http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/celeb...Herbstreit
He's a business major, not a journalism major!
He only saw the field as an QB at Ohio State for 1 season!
He passed for what they say is "close to 2,000 yds" in 12 games!
Ohio State his Sr. season was 8-3-1 and ranked #18th in the final vote.
And this qualifies him to be a college football analyst? Are you kidding me?
KIRK - HERBSTREIT ! Are you kidding me ?
And one more thing to discuss. As one friend of mine said this weekend in Detroit, if Kirk's alma mater was not in Cheaters Prison, we wouldn't be having this discussion of whether NIU would be in the Orange Bowl.
Im still p!$$ed today!!! i want kirks head
(12-03-2012 02:06 AM)huskies12345 Wrote: [ -> ]Hopefully he will read this...
From listening to the BCS selection show, clearly you are frustrated that NIU is in a BCS bowl. Your argument has countless holes in it but let me highlight several of the important ones and tell you why you are wrong. I will not spend hours, even many minutes, scouring the internet for stats as your argument was so poor that I do not need to do so. Here we go:
NIU lost to Iowa- NIU did lose to Iowa, I will not argue that. We lost by one point on a last minute touchdown after controlling the game throughout. NIU returned 0 offensive linemen. NIU lost it's QB to the NFL. NIU returned two starters MAX, so we had a team that was making their first career college football starts against a big ten team at Soldier Field.
You say Iowa is bad. Iowa is bad. They also beat a MSU team that was once highly ranked. They also lost to Central Michigan who NIU beat by over 30 points. You can play the "they beat them, who beat them" game all day long, which clearly you love to reference but only present one side of reality.
In further "they beat them, who beat them" scenarios, the MAC played 2 of the top 3 teams in the Big East. They beat both of them. The team they did not play, Lousville, lost to Uconn who, you guessed it, lost to a MAC team. By this point you should be realizing one of two things.. Either your argument that NIU did not beat anyone while they were undefeated in the MAC does not hold any weight OR the Big East is worse than the MAC so if you were a logical person you would have a bigger problem with the Big East making a BCS bowl than NIU.
NIU playing in a BCS bowl is a product of the bowl system, NIU is not to blame. At least you seem to recognize this. People are quick to question things and hesitant to propose any real solutions. In a "fair" world would the BCS games be the top "X" teams in the country? Maybe they would, but then the SEC would have 6 teams playing. If we wanted to watch that we would watch the regular season. There is something to say, and should be, for a team winning their conference. Hence the AQ conferences. The reason NIU made this game is because the system identified AQ conferences that are WORSE than the one NIU plays in.
You seem to be quiet on the topic of Louisville and Wisconsin making a BCS bowl. As noted earlier, Louisville plays in the Big East. Also noted earlier the MAC played the Big East on multiple occasions and won on multiple occasions. Despite the level of terribleness that the Big East reached, they managed to get a couple teams to high rankings during the year. The MAC beat these teams while they were playing their best football and ranked high in the polls.
Wisconsin lost five games. Yes, five. Wisconsin lost to Penn State last weekend I think even you would agree that there is a high level of variance in level of play and how good a team is throughout the season. So when I say that Wisconsin lost to PSU last weekend that means that the Rose Bowl version of Wisconsin is not as good as PSU. PSU lost to a MAC team. To refresh your memory they beat Wisconsin. Wisconsin is in the rose bowl.
NIU is 21-1 in their last 22 games. Did we play the same level of competition? No. But we beat just about everyone on our schedule. If you had a legitimate gripe you would be complaining about Wisconsin or Louisville. There is no type of argument grounded in any facts that could be said for Louisville being better than NIU. You mention that a MAC team should need to be much higher in the rankings to deserve a better game than a non-ranked team from an AQ conference. I know you follow college football rather closely so I would have thought you knew that the fact that NIU plays in the MAC, against an assumed lesser competition, is built into their ranking. So to say that a 15th ranked NIU is not as impressive as an unranked Louisville makes no sense whatsoever. Clearly NIU was already discounted in their ranking for playing in a non-AQ conference seeing as they were 12-1, won their conference, and won 12 in a row. If they did that in the SEC they would be in the title game. So that argument is baseless.
We all know that Vegas seems to get things right from time to time, explain to me why NIU is only a 7 point underdog to an FSU team that barely lost to the 3rd ranked Florida team a few weeks ago. At the same time, ND is an 8.5 dog and Louisville is an underdog to the extent of 18.5 points. So in between ripping on NIU maybe you should take a step back and take a look at the reality of the situation. Maybe then you'd realize that to complain about NIU being in a BCS game is "an absolute joke".
Great post. We should disseminate this. I quoted you on my Facebook page, hope that's ok. People should know these facts. Herbstreet's rants have NO basis in logic.
(12-03-2012 06:52 AM)Doeren Identity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2012 06:43 AM)Doeren Identity Wrote: [ -> ]I was going to post the following topic for discussion, but since you so eloquently started the Kirk Herbstreit discussion, I will add it here.
Kirk Herbstreit is a journalist? Are you kidding me?
Look at his personal bio- http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/celeb...Herbstreit
He's a business major, not a journalism major!
He only saw the field as an QB at Ohio State for 1 season!
He passed for what they say is "close to 2,000 yds" in 12 games!
Ohio State his Sr. season was 8-3-1 and ranked #18th in the final vote.
And this qualifies him to be a college football analyst? Are you kidding me?
KIRK - HERBSTREIT ! Are you kidding me ?
And one more thing to discuss. As one friend of mine said this weekend in Detroit, if Kirk's alma mater was not in Cheaters Prison, we wouldn't be having this discussion of whether NIU would be in the Orange Bowl.
We actually would still be in the Orange bowl. Ohio State would bump us down to 16 instead of 15 and we'd still be in.
Why let these morons get you pissed? You should all be elated because THEY are pissed!
I am in Huskie heaven. I have not stopped smiling since the announcement. And this time it's finally for something else instead of intestinal gas.
(12-03-2012 08:09 AM)chihuskie Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2012 02:06 AM)huskies12345 Wrote: [ -> ]Hopefully he will read this...
From listening to the BCS selection show, clearly you are frustrated that NIU is in a BCS bowl. Your argument has countless holes in it but let me highlight several of the important ones and tell you why you are wrong. I will not spend hours, even many minutes, scouring the internet for stats as your argument was so poor that I do not need to do so. Here we go:
NIU lost to Iowa- NIU did lose to Iowa, I will not argue that. We lost by one point on a last minute touchdown after controlling the game throughout. NIU returned 0 offensive linemen. NIU lost it's QB to the NFL. NIU returned two starters MAX, so we had a team that was making their first career college football starts against a big ten team at Soldier Field.
You say Iowa is bad. Iowa is bad. They also beat a MSU team that was once highly ranked. They also lost to Central Michigan who NIU beat by over 30 points. You can play the "they beat them, who beat them" game all day long, which clearly you love to reference but only present one side of reality.
In further "they beat them, who beat them" scenarios, the MAC played 2 of the top 3 teams in the Big East. They beat both of them. The team they did not play, Lousville, lost to Uconn who, you guessed it, lost to a MAC team. By this point you should be realizing one of two things.. Either your argument that NIU did not beat anyone while they were undefeated in the MAC does not hold any weight OR the Big East is worse than the MAC so if you were a logical person you would have a bigger problem with the Big East making a BCS bowl than NIU.
NIU playing in a BCS bowl is a product of the bowl system, NIU is not to blame. At least you seem to recognize this. People are quick to question things and hesitant to propose any real solutions. In a "fair" world would the BCS games be the top "X" teams in the country? Maybe they would, but then the SEC would have 6 teams playing. If we wanted to watch that we would watch the regular season. There is something to say, and should be, for a team winning their conference. Hence the AQ conferences. The reason NIU made this game is because the system identified AQ conferences that are WORSE than the one NIU plays in.
You seem to be quiet on the topic of Louisville and Wisconsin making a BCS bowl. As noted earlier, Louisville plays in the Big East. Also noted earlier the MAC played the Big East on multiple occasions and won on multiple occasions. Despite the level of terribleness that the Big East reached, they managed to get a couple teams to high rankings during the year. The MAC beat these teams while they were playing their best football and ranked high in the polls.
Wisconsin lost five games. Yes, five. Wisconsin lost to Penn State last weekend I think even you would agree that there is a high level of variance in level of play and how good a team is throughout the season. So when I say that Wisconsin lost to PSU last weekend that means that the Rose Bowl version of Wisconsin is not as good as PSU. PSU lost to a MAC team. To refresh your memory they beat Wisconsin. Wisconsin is in the rose bowl.
NIU is 21-1 in their last 22 games. Did we play the same level of competition? No. But we beat just about everyone on our schedule. If you had a legitimate gripe you would be complaining about Wisconsin or Louisville. There is no type of argument grounded in any facts that could be said for Louisville being better than NIU. You mention that a MAC team should need to be much higher in the rankings to deserve a better game than a non-ranked team from an AQ conference. I know you follow college football rather closely so I would have thought you knew that the fact that NIU plays in the MAC, against an assumed lesser competition, is built into their ranking. So to say that a 15th ranked NIU is not as impressive as an unranked Louisville makes no sense whatsoever. Clearly NIU was already discounted in their ranking for playing in a non-AQ conference seeing as they were 12-1, won their conference, and won 12 in a row. If they did that in the SEC they would be in the title game. So that argument is baseless.
We all know that Vegas seems to get things right from time to time, explain to me why NIU is only a 7 point underdog to an FSU team that barely lost to the 3rd ranked Florida team a few weeks ago. At the same time, ND is an 8.5 dog and Louisville is an underdog to the extent of 18.5 points. So in between ripping on NIU maybe you should take a step back and take a look at the reality of the situation. Maybe then you'd realize that to complain about NIU being in a BCS game is "an absolute joke".
Great post. We should disseminate this. I quoted you on my Facebook page, hope that's ok. People should know these facts. Herbstreet's rants have NO basis in logic.
I did also on my facebook too. Spot on!
(12-03-2012 06:43 AM)Doeren Identity Wrote: [ -> ]I was going to post the following topic for discussion, but since you so eloquently started the Kirk Herbstreit discussion, I will add it here.
Kirk Herbstreit is a journalist? Are you kidding me?
Look at his personal bio- http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/celeb...Herbstreit
He's a business major, not a journalism major!
He only saw the field as an QB at Ohio State for 1 season!
He passed for what they say is "close to 2,000 yds" in 12 games!
Ohio State his Sr. season was 8-3-1 and ranked #18th in the final vote.
And this qualifies him to be a college football analyst? Are you kidding me?
KIRK - HERBSTREIT ! Are you kidding me ?
He's just mad that NIU gets to go to a better bowl than he ever played in.
Pfhuck HERPEStreit and Pez-Head aka The Wedding Planner (Palmer)! You guys belong! Who the pfhuck is Dave Pollack?
Kirk can kiss my white A$$
Let's forget about him and enjoy the game. He isn't worth the time or effort.
The guys got some serious issues he need to deal with. To get that angry over college football shows that the fool isn't wired quite right in the head. Can you imagine what his wife and kids have to go through on a daily basis?
Sure seemed sundaynite like KH took the NIU bid very personally and not as a journalist but an editorial writer.
I doubt he was outraged when 10-2 NIU went bowl less in 2003 after beating bama, md and iowa state.
(12-03-2012 02:06 AM)huskies12345 Wrote: [ -> ]In a "fair" world would the BCS games be the top "X" teams int he country?
Did we play the same level of competition? No. But we beat just about everyone on our schedule.
Excellent post! One other thing I'd like to see Herbie and Company address just once when it comes to the concept of "in a fair world" is the inequality that comes with scheduling.
The vast majority of those BCS schools they favor will only "stoop" to playing schools from non-AQ conferences when they wish to buy a home game. IF the NCAA and ESPN truly wanted some semblance of fairness, then help the non-AQ schools get a break by requiring them to play maybe one road game or neutral site contest against a non-AQ once every three years. In other words, give the non-AQs a chance to upgrade their schedules.
One last thought, when does ESPN do the "political pivot" and realize they've got to stop dissing Northern Illinois in order to attract viewers to one of "their" games? Whether you like it or not, you still need ratings and you better start promoting the Huskies even if it means trotting out your "David-vs.-Goliatch" or cinderella cliches.
